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[daveliam]

Okay so I've recently beat dragon age Inquisition. It was amazing. But I can't help but feel that bioware took something away from me in that game. I understand the intentions of the developers. Dorian is by far one of the most complex and realistic characters yet. In my opinion that is. They made a truly fantastic being. I could read a book about Dorian's life. My inquisitor made such a connection with him and he named me his friend. Which is awesome. But I feel left out because my female inquisitor was a female. And Dorian is gay. I feel like the game wasn't as good because I couldn't let my female be with who she clicked with. This isn't just about Dorian. What about if a guy inquisitor felt sera was the one he wanted but couldn't get simply because of gender. Does anyone else feel like they were cheated a great story because of this? I under stand it's a game but I feel it was both an amazing this that bioware did but also a bad thing. Let me know your opinion so I know I'm not alone.

 

Dorian is awesome and I'm really glad that the gay guy is as well received as he is.  And I also like that he's well received and gay versus well received because he's gay, if that makes sense.

 

If it makes you feel any better, how you feel about Dorian is how I felt about Anomen, Carth, Kaidan (ME1), Jacob, Garrus, Thane, Andronikos, Doc, Jorgan, Torian, Corso, Quinn, Vector, Alistair, Sebastian, Blackwall, Solas, and Cullen (some more than others.....).  So........welcome to the club.  It stinks at times, but you still get to experience a great character and, if you really want to romance him, roll a gay guy.  Dorian's romance is worth it.  It's really great. 

[KaiserShep]

Like Cassandra, I found Dorian's friendship path with my F!quisitor to be very satisfying, perhaps more so because he's a more playful character, which I generally gravitate towards.

[Vita Brevis]

Not as bad tho, at least nobody's saying Dorian should be severely punished for daring to be gay & rejecting a M/F relationship like the OP in the Sera thread thought should happen

Where's that exactly? I really need it, to have a good laugh today. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Where's that exactly? I really need it, to have a good laugh today. 

http://forum.bioware...depressed-help/

[DragonRacer]

Why does everyone who starts threads like these have no avatar, and only a few posts?  

 

 

EDIT: As someone who actually has a female friend who got friendzoned by a gay dude, all I have to say is: Well... it happens :3

 

 

EDIT2:  

 

 

 

*highfive!* 

 

Haha, yup, it happens. I am no more upset about Dorian being who he is than I am about my best friend being who he is. Sure, I had a crush on him initially and there was that moment of "Awww " when he came out, but that never changed the fact that I love him as a person. I simply gained a brother instead of a lover; there is nothing wrong with that at all. 

[BioWareM0d13]

[Forsythia77]

Dorian was my gay BFF in all four of my playthroughs.  And I flirted with him openly because that's how I roll, while romancing other characters (Blackwall, Cullen, Bull).  I had a fabulous time.  But it was harmless flirting that a straight woman knows she can have with her GBFF.  What woman doesn't want a guy friend she can be friends with and not have to worry about the whole sex thing getting in the way?

 

I think my next playthrough will be a guy, just to see how the romance goes with him, but I don't feel cheated.  In real life I have lots of gay male friends and it is just nice to take that element of us catching feelings away from the equation.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Dorian was my gay BFF 

Shame he can't just be your best friend like a normal person.

[Sifr]

Well, there are two other options on the dialogue wheel, and I think one of them was something along the lines of, "Yes, don't let it happen again."

I bet that one's a bit awkward.

 

I think that's probably why I've never picked it, I figured that it'd be another instance of the Inquisitor being untactful again.

[Monica21]

I think that's probably why I've never picked it, I figured that it'd be another instance of the Inquisitor being untactful again.

 

You mean like, "So Krem, tell me more about you being born a girl" and "Hey, Leliana, were you sleeping with Justinia?" Stuff like that? Yeah, I avoided it my first playthrough too.

[Lady Artifice]

I think that's probably why I've never picked it, I figured that it'd be another instance of the Inquisitor being untactful again.

I was very tentative about taking that option too...it seemed kind of like a jerk thing to talk about in light of what he's going through.

It seemed like saying, "so I know how you're going through a major emotional upheaval right now...but what about me?"

I actually expected to need to load the previous save and replay the conversation to pick the encouraging option...then my favorite dialogue happened and it was perfect.

Two of Dorian's favorite things: clever wordplay and being flattered. It all worked out for the best.

[Forsythia77]

Shame he can't just be your best friend like a normal person.

Sorry I phrased it that way.  But he's a video game character. He can't actually be my bff, gay straight or otherwise.

[Digger1967]

Ok, so I'm sure I'll probably take some flak on this for being less than politically correct about the whole thing, but honestly I thought the alternate sexuality thing was a bit overplayed and it detracted from the story line as a result.

 

Don't get me wrong - the Dorian thing really worked as part of the story.  You get a chance to get to know Dorian and develop a friendship with him before you find out his entire back story, and when you do it makes sense and it plays into the larger story as a whole.

 

The Grimm thing?  Eh.  Wow.  Ok, so I head over to the tavern to talk to Iron Bull and company and Grimm, out of the blue in what is probably only our 2nd conversation ever starts talking about how they are really a man trapped in a woman's body.  Ok.. sure.. but, umm.. well first technically I guess I'm your employer and just not sure I'm comfortable with having this conversation with you at all because frankly its really none of my business.

 

I mean don't you have friends or something you could discuss this with?  I don't even know your first name, and really I was kind of happy with that.  Seriously.. this is just a big jump over the TMI line considering I don't really know you at all.

 

I guess the thing that annoyed me was it didn't really fit the storyline all that well, it seemed incredibly forced and awkward and if anything it just really felt like it detracted from Dorian's story because it took away a lot of the uniqueness of that plot point.  Seemed sort of like Dorian saying, "Ok, yes I'm gay" and my response at that point should have been, "Well crap Dorian, who isn't around here?"

[daveliam]

Ok, so I'm sure I'll probably take some flak on this for being less than politically correct about the whole thing, but honestly I thought the alternate sexuality thing was a bit overplayed and it detracted from the story line as a result.

 

Don't get me wrong - the Dorian thing really worked as part of the story.  You get a chance to get to know Dorian and develop a friendship with him before you find out his entire back story, and when you do it makes sense and it plays into the larger story as a whole.

 

The Grimm thing?  Eh.  Wow.  Ok, so I head over to the tavern to talk to Iron Bull and company and Grimm, out of the blue in what is probably only our 2nd conversation ever starts talking about how they are really a man trapped in a woman's body.  Ok.. sure.. but, umm.. well first technically I guess I'm your employer and just not sure I'm comfortable with having this conversation with you at all because frankly its really none of my business.

 

I mean don't you have friends or something you could discuss this with?  I don't even know your first name, and really I was kind of happy with that.  Seriously.. this is just a big jump over the TMI line considering I don't really know you at all.

 

I guess the thing that annoyed me was it didn't really fit the storyline all that well, it seemed incredibly forced and awkward and if anything it just really felt like it detracted from Dorian's story because it took away a lot of the uniqueness of that plot point.  Seemed sort of like Dorian saying, "Ok, yes I'm gay" and my response at that point should have been, "Well crap Dorian, who isn't around here?"

 

Just a couple of things:

 

1.)  You mean Krem, not Grimm.  Grimm is the guy who just grunts.  Krem is the transman.

2.)  We don't know what Krem's sexuality is.  He could be straight, gay, bisexual, etc.  I think you are confusing sexual orientation with gender identity.  Krem was born a female but identifies as a male.  We don't know his sexual orientation.  Dorian was born a male and identifies as a male and is gay. 

 

So to answer your question, "Who isn't gay around here?"  The answer is:  Out of the characters whose sexual orientations we know, everyone except for Dorian, Sera, Celene, and Briala (although, to be honest, I'm not even sure if the latter two are confirmed as lesbians or not).

[Lady Artifice]

Ok, so I'm sure I'll probably take some flak on this for being less than politically correct about the whole thing, but honestly I thought the alternate sexuality thing was a bit overplayed and it detracted from the story line as a result.
 
Don't get me wrong - the Dorian thing really worked as part of the story.  You get a chance to get to know Dorian and develop a friendship with him before you find out his entire back story, and when you do it makes sense and it plays into the larger story as a whole.
 
The Grimm thing?  Eh.  Wow.  Ok, so I head over to the tavern to talk to Iron Bull and company and Grimm, out of the blue in what is probably only our 2nd conversation ever starts talking about how they are really a man trapped in a woman's body.  Ok.. sure.. but, umm.. well first technically I guess I'm your employer and just not sure I'm comfortable with having this conversation with you at all because frankly its really none of my business.
 
I mean don't you have friends or something you could discuss this with?  I don't even know your first name, and really I was kind of happy with that.  Seriously.. this is just a big jump over the TMI line considering I don't really know you at all.
 
I guess the thing that annoyed me was it didn't really fit the storyline all that well, it seemed incredibly forced and awkward and if anything it just really felt like it detracted from Dorian's story because it took away a lot of the uniqueness of that plot point.  Seemed sort of like Dorian saying, "Ok, yes I'm gay" and my response at that point should have been, "Well crap Dorian, who isn't around here?"

His first name is Cremisius.

It's Krem for short, which you apparently heard as "Grimm".

My only point being that the Inquisitor does in fact know his first AND last name. He says the whole thing first, then Bull says it, then it's "krem" from that point on.

[Digger1967]

Just a couple of things:

 

1.)  You mean Krem, not Grimm.  Grimm is the guy who just grunts.  Krem is the transman.

2.)  We don't know what Krem's sexuality is.  He could be straight, gay, bisexual, etc.  I think you are confusing sexual orientation with gender identity.  Krem was born a female but identifies as a male.  We don't know his sexual orientation.  Dorian was born a male and identifies as a male and is gay. 

 

So to answer your question, "Who isn't gay around here?"  The answer is:  Out of the characters whose sexual orientations we know, everyone except for Dorian, Sera, Celene, and Briala (although, to be honest, I'm not even sure if the latter two are confirmed as lesbians or not).

 

Ok, well way to be hypersensitive and incredibly over technical about the whole thing.. lol.

 

Pretty much why I was reluctant to make the post in the first place, but my basic point still stands.  Just seems like a lot of it was overkill, I think just leaving the Dorian subplot to stand alone would have been much better from a story point of view.

 

As for Crem, Krem, Grimm, or whoever - honestly it wasn't a character that made much of an impression on me one way or the other, and I just found it completely bizarre that they wanted to overshare that much of their life story with me when frankly it was only I think our 2nd conversation when it came up.  I could care less if they are gay, gender non-identified or whatever special label they need to make themselves feel special.  If they are doing their job that's all that matters to me as an inquisitor.  The point was it didn't fit well into the story for me and the whole conversation just seemed completely bizarre.  I kept looking for a "Ok, but why are you telling me this" response and couldn't find one.

 

But hey if it worked for you great.  I just really think it detracted from the Dorian sub-plot, because when his story was revealed it was like.. bam.  With Crem, Krem, Krim.. etc.. whoever, it was like.. and I would care because?

[Digger1967]

His first name is Cremisius.

It's Krem for short, which you apparently heard as "Grimm".

My only point being that the Inquisitor does in fact know his first AND last name. He says the whole thing first, then Bull says it, then it's "krem" from that point on.

 

Most likely, only being able to hear out of one ear and see out of one eye does has it's disadvantages at times.  I guess it's possible they might have told me his/her first and last name at some point, but it was never a character that made much of an impression on me so I guess it just didn't stick.  I do appreciate the grief they give Iron Bull.. but beyond that, eh - not much there really.  So when they went down this whole bizarro tangent of giving me their complete and unabashed life history on our second meeting I was like, umm.. ok.. so, how about that.. umm.. insert your favorite sports team here... thing?  The whole conversation was just the sort of awful thing you really want to avoid.

 

Not saying such things don't happen in real life, they do - but I guess when I'm gaming I prefer to just avoid those horribly painful and awkward conversations if I can.

[daveliam]

Ok, well way to be hypersensitive and incredibly over technical about the whole thing.. lol.

 

Pretty much why I was reluctant to make the post in the first place, but my basic point still stands.  Just seems like a lot of it was overkill, I think just leaving the Dorian subplot to stand alone would have been much better from a story point of view.

 

As for Crem, Krem, Grimm, or whoever - honestly it wasn't a character that made much of an impression on me one way or the other, and I just found it completely bizarre that they wanted to overshare that much of their life story with me when frankly it was only I think our 2nd conversation when it came up.  I could care less if they are gay, gender non-identified or whatever special label they need to make themselves feel special.  If they are doing their job that's all that matters to me as an inquisitor.  The point was it didn't fit well into the story for me and the whole conversation just seemed completely bizarre.  I kept looking for a "Ok, but why are you telling me this" response and couldn't find one.

 

But hey if it worked for you great.  I just really think it detracted from the Dorian sub-plot, because when his story was revealed it was like.. bam.  With Crem, Krem, Krim.. etc.. whoever, it was like.. and I would care because?

 

I wasn't trying to be overly sensitive about it.  I was just pointing out that Dorian's gay, but Krem might not be so that's why I don't see them really having an effect on each other.  Two different issues in my mind.  One's about gender and the other's about sexuality, so Krem's presence was pretty much unrelated to Dorian's outside of them both being the Tevinters in our group.   But, given that this has been the topic of a dozen threads in the past two months and it's not actually what the thread is about, I'm cool with dropping it.

[BigEvil]

Honestly, as a straight guy who wants the option to play characters who are not like him as well as those who are, I really like Inquisition for the more defined sexualities of the characters, as well as more of an emphasis on friendships.

 

I often felt in both DA:O and DA2 that if a character was a romance option, even if I wasn't romancing them, that there wasn't much of a friendship. Like once you reached the point of not romancing them it was, nope, nothing to talk about now because we're not together. Admittedly it was worse in ME where characters shut down completely if you didn't romance them. Still calibrating, Garrus? Ok, I'll be around, in case you ever want to talk to your best friend again.

 

Meanwhile in DA:I, it actually felt like you could befriend the Lis and not run out of content talking to them a third of the way through a playthrough. Maybe it was just paced better.

[o Ventus]

 and I'm pretty sure he doesn't twirl his moustache and laugh evilly.

 

Gay people don't do this?

 

That's a joke, for all of you who get offended by everything.

[daveliam]

Gay people don't do this?

 

That's a joke, for all of you who get offended by everything.

 

Does it count if I twirl my moustache and laugh evilly about getting offended by everthing?

[Digger1967]

Gay people don't do this?

 

That's a joke, for all of you who get offended by everything.

 

Now I'm highly offended.  Oh wait.. crap.  Nevermind.

 

Lol

[Digger1967]

Does it count if I twirl my moustache and laugh evilly about getting offended by everthing?

 

Yes but only if you tie someone to some train tracks first.  Boy, that Qun thing sure has a lot of whacky rules in it, doesn't it?

[Digger1967]

I wasn't trying to be overly sensitive about it.  I was just pointing out that Dorian's gay, but Krem might not be so that's why I don't see them really having an effect on each other.  Two different issues in my mind.  One's about gender and the other's about sexuality, so Krem's presence was pretty much unrelated to Dorian's outside of them both being the Tevinters in our group.   But, given that this has been the topic of a dozen threads in the past two months and it's not actually what the thread is about, I'm cool with dropping it.

 

Fair enough, I get your point and I don't disagree with it persee.  I guess for me the whole thing just seemed awkward and badly presented, and after the amazing job they did with Dorian's "reveal" and how well that fit into the story line it just really seemed even that much more ham handed and disappointing.