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[Dunmer of Redoran]

No it wasn't.

 

I often see it repeated on these forums that Shepard was so much of a bad@ss that any manifestation of PTSD was unthinkable. That however, is completely divorced from the reality of PTSD. Being tough or having a lots of experience with traumatic events doesn't make someone any more immune. In fact the latter makes a person more statistically vulnerable. On that note...Audie Murphy, a Medal of Honor recipient and the most decorated American soldier in the Second World War, famously suffered from PTSD.

 

Whether or not the portrayal of PTSD was well done in the series is a topic that can be debated. But any assertion that it was somehow completely unrealistic for Shepard to fall prey to it is simply wrong. 

It's not some assumption that he's immune to PTSD. It's that, as mentioned above, the trigger seems awfully arbitrary. Seeing people turned into Collector paste, seeing David Archer hooked up to a bunch of tubes, the Normandy being blown up, letting the VS get nuked, those are serious things that can all be obvious triggers. Some kid Shepard didn't know? That?

 

That's not even taking into account potential other things. For example, if you're romancing Tali or Garrus at the beginning of the game, Shepard should probably be concerned about their well-being, no? If my significant other was millions of light years away in the midst of a galactic invasion, I'd be more than a little on edge. Or what about if you did Arrival, and the regret at blowing up 300k Batarians? Did they not matter to Shepard?

 

But that sort of goes back to what I said before. Fear and anger should be the chief emotions. Mansell is not a good musician for those emotions. Sadness is his forte, and Mass Effect is not a sob story.

[Rasande]

It's not some assumption that he's immune to PTSD. It's that, as mentioned above, the trigger seems awfully arbitrary. Seeing people turned into Collector paste, seeing David Archer hooked up to a bunch of tubes, the Normandy being blown up, letting the VS get nuked, those are serious things that can all be obvious triggers. Some kid Shepard didn't know? That?

 

 

Why not? A child is as innocent as it gets i bet the cause of many cases of ptsd since kids bring up alot of emmotions and the "horrors of war" become more real when you see them affect a kid(source:the upper reaches of my colon).

Besides, it also represents that Shepard is fighting for more than just all the innocent civilans right now but the future of his entire species, hell the entire galaxy.

Trite as **** i'll admit but it's trite for a reason.

 

I really don't think it's that bad, might not be the most groundbreaking or hearwrenching but it works *shrug*

[K2LU533]

Definitely would be best in the same vane as the rest of ME, hopefully more synth lead, like ME1

[Linkenski]

One thing I was thinking of and it might actually be rather cliché, and who cares because it's practically fan-fiction when it's me who brings it up, but I was in the car and listening to some Jose Gonzales and while I really think it would be weird to hear his music be un-acoustic it would be pretty incredible to have a sci-fi remixed version of one of his tracks, like Teardrop or something. It's kind of weird I guess. I was thinking "what if ME4's story was about the juxtaposition between the present in real life and future in Mass Effect?". I have to be honest, the one thing that makes ME as a setting so amazing is that it is built upon an imaginative future of real life.

 

Dunno, just seemed kind of cool to me:

 

Song I mentioned. Just enjoy some music otherwise if you dislike the idea:

(lyrics unrelated)

 

EDIT: LOL first time I see the music video and it even has some elements of past-present-future juxtaposition in its imagery. Who knew?

[MrFob]

If there is something that is consistently good throughout the trilogy, it's the music. Each game has unique soundtracks that emphasize the game's tone and add to it. I trust that Bioware will deliver once again in that regard, even if that means moving away from the classic choices. So no, I'm not really opposed to the idea.

This.

 

I don't really see it happening though (I mean a diversion from what we had before). I am not a bog fan of introducing today's musical themes into a SciFi setting. It can work (the re-imagined BSG series pulled it off rather nicely in places, during later seasons) but especially given how much ME is based on very classic SciFi themes I don't see it fitting. I am also not a big fan of fan made ME trailers that use rock/pop songs. The sounds of amplified/distorted guitars is just too distinctively tied to the current musical period, whereas the synth sounds of the ME's OSTs so far gave the series a more "out there" musical backdrop.

 

All that said, I do agree with Vazgen. The ME games have all had spectacular soundtracks and I am open to be positively surprised if they manage to pull off something unexpected.

[The Antagonist]

it doesn't matter if you are opposed or not, it's BioWare's decision

[Jukaga]

No modern music in the score please but I wouldn't mind hearing some CCR or something playing in the local space pub. It doesn't all have to be boring 90s era techno music.

[Tonymac]

No modern music in the score please but I wouldn't mind hearing some CCR or something playing in the local space pub. It doesn't all have to be boring 90s era techno music.

 

Or the Outtlaws - Green Grass and High Tides

Or Blackfoot - Highway Song

 

Just to name a few

[KaiserShep]

 Or what about if you did Arrival, and the regret at blowing up 300k Batarians? Did they not matter to Shepard?

 

Well, it is possible that they don't. This is potentially the same Shepard that wipes out thousands of people on Omega to save Aria.

[Han Shot First]

Yeah. Some kid dying is suddenly the trigger?

 

In EVERY playthrough, in the Collector Base, *people were being disintegrated, turned into bloody pulps of juice right before Shepard's eyes.* But THAT image isn't what triggers the dream sequences in ME 3?

 

DaftArbiter, on 17 Feb 2015 - 3:08 PM, said:

 

It's not some assumption that he's immune to PTSD. It's that, as mentioned above, the trigger seems awfully arbitrary. Seeing people turned into Collector paste, seeing David Archer hooked up to a bunch of tubes, the Normandy being blown up, letting the VS get nuked, those are serious things that can all be obvious triggers. Some kid Shepard didn't know?

 

Triggers aren't necessarily the most traumatic event in a person's life.

 

I have a few complaints about how the PTSD angle was handled in ME3, but the idea to have it feature into the game was a good one. It just wasn't implemented as well as it could have been.

[Linkenski]

it doesn't matter if you are opposed or not, it's BioWare's decision

That goes without saying...

[Lavros]

I would prefer if they stayed in line with ME1's atmospheric soundtrack as it really meshed well with the story they were trying to convey. The tidbits that hint back to it in the the consecutive games reminded me of how much I enjoyed that style from start to finish. 

 

Tracks that stood out for me included Samara's recruitment, the Monastery music, both Tali's recruitment and loyalty missions, the Suicide mission and Collector Ship, and the new Normandy.

 

I agree, all of these were great spots in ME2 and I think the more character specific tracks like Tali's really added something special to the story. 

 

ME3's music felt more generic out of the three as the soundtrack reminded me more of a summer popcorn flick than the the other two games. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it strayed a little too far from ME1 than I cared for. 

[themikefest]

I like the music in all 3 games. I wouldn't mind if they throw in some Ozzy, Led Zep and AC/DC. I know they won't, but hey.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Well, it is possible that they don't. This is potentially the same Shepard that wipes out thousands of people on Omega to save Aria.

If Shepard is a genocidal maniac who has no regrets about anything like that, then the PTSD angle as it is presented is kind of shoehorned. I really prefer when games leave the repercussions for events up to me unless lore specifically says otherwise (e.g. in Dragon Age: all Grey Wardens have dreams about the Archdemon, no exceptions)

[Treacherous J Slither]

I like all of the ME music but prefer ME2 overall. So many great ttacks. One of my favorites is the Samara recruitment music. Absolutely amazing.

Regular everday radio music would be terrible for this series IMO. As much as I like Pink Floyd, The Dining Rooms, Tool etc I dont want them in my Mass Effect.

[Han Shot First]

Regular everday radio music would be terrible for this series IMO. As much as I like Pink Floyd, The Dining Rooms, Tool etc I dont want them in my Mass Effect.

 

It wouldn't make much sense either, considering the game is most likely going to be set in the 22nd Century. A song that came out this year would be 171 years old in 2186. Songs that are almost 200 years old shouldn't be hits that are dominating airplay.

[Arppis]

I'd like to hear more "melodic" music.

 

Enough of bland ambient soundtracks that only stick with you because you've heard them 100's of times.

 

I want music that makes me search for them on Youtube.

[RoboticWater]

I'd like to hear more "melodic" music.

 

Enough of bland ambient soundtracks that only stick with you because you've heard them 100's of times.

 

I want music that makes me search for them on Youtube.

I think the ME series as a whole struck a good balance between ambient and melodic tracks. IMO, its a good thing when some of the music just blends into the background, especially for games. It's a bit harder to focus on combat when the game starts blasting some really iconic tunes.

[Linkenski]

ME1 and ME2 had some original and memorable melodic themes. I think ME3 is the sinner of having music that sounds good but only as background music.

 

The distinct Mass Effect theme didn't play nearly enough in ME3 but I'm glad they got it back in when they made the Extended Cut.

[Vortex13]

I wouldn't mind to see (or more accurately hear) more instrumental pieces or other music that can fit into the background while you explore the stars. Anything that can help you the player feel a sense of awe when traveling across the interstellar void, or when discovering an uncharted planet is good by me.

 

[aerisblight]

If its not broken, dont fix it. I love the synth music and there is enough orchesta music in other games.

[katamuro]

Plus the music they have had so far was pretty great, the soundtracks of all three games are good. And ME3 ost was downright brilliant.

[DanishGambit]

When I go to a nightclub in the year 2060 or whatever I don't want to hear music from 50 years ago. I don't want to hear dubstep either... Music is what sets the tone and it's what they need to tell the story better. They should take a cue from Destiny because that soundtrack was great and the game really didn't live up to it like Mass Effect could.

[saladinbob]

Is the music in that trailer better or worse than the musical score on the actual scene in-game? How does some generic rock track add atmosphere to that situation? Would 2001 Space Odyssey have worked if the opening track had been Jimmy Hendrix thrashing out some tune on his guitar? I'm a massive fan of Hendrix but it would have completely spoilt the film. It can be argued that the music of 2001 is at least as iconic as the film itself. In gaming, would Elite have been as iconic a game as it is today if it had had Van Halen as its signature music rather than Blue Danube? What about Star Wars if it had opened with Springsteen and ended with the Sex Pistols rather than its now iconic signature tune?

 

All of the bands I've listed where contemporary artists from the time of those movie/game releases. It doesn't matter what your musical tastes are, music in gaming/movies is an essential tool in setting the tone and contemporary music in a non-contemporary setting just isn't going to work.