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[Riven326]

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I really don't understand how anyone could make a game like this in 2015. A third-person shooter that's single player-only for $60 is bat **** insane. What are you gonna do with it once you finish the short campaign? Re-playability in this game will range from low to non-existent. This works for games like COD and Battlefield, where the main course and the thing that will keep you coming back is the multiplayer.

 

Here is a quote from one of the developers working on the game after the general public found out his game was short as hell and pre-orders likely took a nosedive.

 

 

"I know there are numbers out there," he said. "I know why the question comes up. I know numbers have been put out there that are actually not right. It's impossible to finish the game in that time, so we know the numbers are wrong.

 

"At the end of the day, we're not going to comment on it. We can't stop people from writing the things they do. And we're not going to jump at every single mistake that is made out there. Every time somebody has the wrong impression of something we made, or somebody writes the wrong thing about what we did, it would be a full-time job to be like, oh no, that's not right. We make games. We do what we do for the players. And, ultimately, that's where I want to leave it."

 

So, the guy who uploaded the entire game to YouTube, including the cut scenes, has somehow reduced the amount of time it takes to watch the entire game being played? Based on what I've seen of this game, most of it is cut scenes. If it's under 8 hours, they don't want to talk numbers. But if it's over 8 hours, you can't get them to shut up about how much 'content' is in their game and they use it as a selling point.

[Vortex13]

I was actually interested in this game when it was first announced, but it lost appeal to me when it was confirmed to have no multiplayer. I know that people will bemoan multiplayer in games; announcing it as the herald of all things wrong with the game industry; but a 3rd person shooter, consisting of a team of 4 soldiers just screams co-op. Especially when you consider how similar 1886 plays to Gears of War.

 

 

Being able to play alongside a friend might have added some more re-playablity to this title.

[Riven326]

I was actually interested in this game when it was first announced, but it lost appeal to me when it was confirmed to have no multiplayer. I know that people will bemoan multiplayer in games; announcing it as the herald of all things wrong with the game industry; but a 3rd person shooter, consisting of a team of 4 soldiers just screams co-op. Especially when you consider how similar 1886 plays to Gears of War.

 

 

Being able to play alongside a friend might have added some more re-playablity to this title.

I would love to hear the developer try to justify the price and why people shouldn't just rent this game.

 

I'm feeling creative...

 

Me: I don't know, it looks kinda boring and the game is short and doesn't have any multiplayer.

Developer: It isn't short. It isn't long. We're not going to talk about it, alright?

Me: What?

Dev: Look at the graphics!

Me: It does look pretty, I'll give you that, but----

Dev: Did you notice the black bars?

Me: That was actually the first thing I noticed.

Dev: Isn't is just so ****** cinematic? Like you're playing a movie!

Me: Well, actually it's kind of annoying since I already have a small amount of screen space to begin with.

Dev: How many PS4 games do you have?

Me: Not that many. Three or four, I guess.

Dev: Don't you want another one?

[BigEvil]

They're kind of damned if they do, damned if they don't. A lot of people put a lot of stock in how long a game is being important. Not to say it's not important at all, but it's only one factor to consider. If a game is quite short but well made, engaging and keeps you both interested and challenged throughout, that's probably better than a game that takes a long time but is full of boring filler and is dull and not entertaining.

 

Pricing is an issue though. Everyone wants to feel they got their money's worth out of a game and regardless of the cost of development I don't think all games are worth the typical $60 price. A lot of the triple A games put themselves in a position where they have to sell a ton just to make a profit even though they're not worth it. Even the Order here, was, or is, selling a big collector's edition to make more money. How much faith does someone need to have in a brand new IP to buy a collector's edition? Maybe if the marketing budgets weren't so insane, but they insist that that's needed to get the sales. Honestly, I'll never be convinced of that, make a great game and word of mouth will sell it. With social media and the like, I doubt you really need ads on tv to reach people who don't pay a lot of attention to 'games journalism'.

 

The single-player portion of shooters has been fairly weak for a long time though, so I generally avoid buying them until they're reduced in price anyway. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I remember the campaigns for games like Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2 having great, lengthy campaigns. Certainly they seemed to take me over ten hours whereas shooters nowadays seem to be unable to even reach ten without open-world stuff (Far Cry games and the like).

 

Shooters without something else to draw me in have become a genre I only pick up in steam sales now. Sad really, because I used to enjoy them a lot.

[Liamv2]

Meh. I was expecting it to be **** anyways.

[leighzard]

Well that's disappointing.  I was interested to see how this game turned out.  5 and a half hours?  Really?  It takes longer to play through a telltale game*.  Maybe the youtube playthrough video grossly misrepresents the game and lots of content was skipped?  I suppose I'll be holding off on this one for a while all the same.

 

 

 

Edit:

*which I love (it sounded derisive when i read the post).  twd and twau were great and i fully intend to hit up got.  I'm just saying for the amount of money i'd be putting down on the The Order, I'm looking for a different experience

[LPPrince]

As an Xbox One owner, when I first heard and learned about 1886, I thought it looked pretty cool. I was happy for Sony fans to have it and I settled on the fact that I'd watch a playthrough of it online eventually.

Then slowly, I learned about the fact that people were down on it, and I wondered why-

 

Learned it was 30fps(after all the *expletive* that PS fanboys gave MS fanboys about frame rates, making real PS fans look bad, this was actually kinda hilarious to me in a karma sort of way)

Learned there was a lack of multiplayer(that doesn't bother me at all, I can live without MP and with Dragon Age Inquisition I haven't played the MP for a second)

Learned it was short-

 

That last one is where it got me. If I'm gonna put down $60 on a video game, I want it to last me quite a long time. I do not compare it to movies or television shows;gaming is its own medium. So I want my games to last as long as possible for my enjoyment.

 

If a game has a solid multiplayer, it can get its game hours out of that. Ex- Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2(the last great CoD).

 

Without MP, it needs to have a solid and strong SP experience that lasts many hours so I can get invested in the story, understand it, and feel like I am within it.

 

Bayonetta has fantastic gameplay, but the story is so nonsensical I can't enjoy playing it. Watching it is mighty easy though.

 

Skyrim's gameplay leaves something to be desired, but the story and world is so engrossing to me that I couldn't help but sink 400+ hours into my playthrough of it.

 

Both of those were single player games with no MP.

 

The Order is a short experience. I watched a good portion of the playthrough on youtube already yesterday and while I can't comment too much on whether I'd feel like I was part of the universe of the game(since I don't have a controller in my hands actually playing it), nor can I speak for what a maximum length playthrough would be(since the player is skipping some pickups in the game), what I CAN comment on is what I've seen as an observer.

 

From what I've seen, the game looks good aesthetically, I like its seamless cutscene to gameplay transitions, but otherwise it doesn't seem too good.

 

I've seen people calling it the "Ryse" of the PS4 and that may be the case. As an Xbox One owner I didn't pick up Ryse and didn't watch a playthrough of it since no part of it interested me and far as I know the game was visually great but otherwise completely mediocre.

 

The Order gives off the same vibe, only difference being the world of The Order is something I personally find more interesting than Ryse's interpretation of Rome.

 

Given The Order's lack of significant gameplay and the fact that it comes across as more of a movie/game hybrid rather than just a well crafted game with cinematic qualities, I can't say that I think too highly of it, though I will finish watching the playthrough at some point, possibly today.

 

Let me know what you guys think if you end up playing it in the future or if you've resigned to picking it up on sale or avoiding it altogether.

 

The game comes across as something you can watch someone play without losing anything of value. I certainly get that impression. Wondering what impressions you guys are getting.

[Dio Demon]

So 5 and a half hours for $60 US

 

$10 an hour about

 

Now for Australia. 5 and a half hours for $100.

 

That's around $20 per hour about.

 

**** that ****. I'm going to watch a bad movie for half that price.

[RZIBARA]

My decision to stay with xbox rather than switch playstation keeps looking better everyday lol. 

[Cypher0020]

I was really really disappointed to hear that......I mean I'm sure there's a lot of content to flesh it out, but...I dunno 

 

I had planned on preordering this, so glad I saved that 60 bucks. Getting FO3 GOTY in the mail today for less than 20

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

lol

So it begins... the train wreck of ruined/screwed-up video games in 2015. Similar to those in 2013 and 2014.

[LPPrince]

You can always watch the youtube playthrough or catch a twitch stream of it once its out.

[AresKeith]

If the story is good it doesn't bother me if it's a 6 hour campaign

[Cyonan]

Well this is disappointing for a game that looked kind of interesting, even though I don't own a PS4.

 

For $60 and SP only I expect it to be much longer than 5 hours as well as good.

 

5 hour campaigns is what I get out of $15-20 indie titles, not AAA games.

[Riven326]

You can always watch the youtube playthrough or catch a twitch stream of it once its out.

Which is incredibly ironic considering how much the developer was pushing this game as a cinematic movie-like experience.

 

lol

So it begins... the train wreck of ruined/screwed-up video games in 2015. Similar to those in 2013 and 2014.

Let's hope not.

 

 

Lol @ games with no multiplayer being perceived as terrible. I can't stand gamers these days.

A third-person shooter, or a shooter in general, with no multiplayer support of any kind isn't going to last long in 2015. This is why the game's short length is such an issue. Games that strive to be cinematic like this one, only ever play out in one way, player agency is nonexistent.

 

So, what you have is a game with no multiplayer support, not even co-op, a very short campaign that's overly cinematic and will show you all of it's cards the first time through, which kills replay value, very pretty graphics, which is about the only thing it has going for itself, and a price tag that cannot be justified.

 

How is this not the perfect game to rent?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'll wait until it's out and see how it is then. I would sooner play a short (but good) SP game instead of an average 20 hour game or one that's longer but full of filler to keep it going. 

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I killed 13 Nazis using 15 bullets with Kar98 rifle last night on veteran. I'm marvelous!

Two missions later I was screwed in Okinawa!

 

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[SlottsMachine]

If the story is good it doesn't bother me if it's a 6 hour campaign

 

Yeah pretty much. The thing is at least in this case, The Order never did seem like the type of game that would have a particularly engaging plot but to be fair I could be wrong. So if you are going to really on setting, a 6 hour campaign probably isn't going to cut it.