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[congokong]

...Bruh, just play another romance and let it go. Gosh.

If you feel that way then why go on a message board? They're meant to express opinions including criticism.

[Nefla]

Though I think it would have been cool if the mage issue had been brought up, his romance is my favorite. I find it very sweet and adorable and he's a refreshing change from the often shy pretty boys which are the more common LI.

[congokong]

Precisely.

This is a demand that should be made for the game in general rather than dumping the responsability on this one character.

I'm not "dumping the responsibility on this one character." I'm addressing his romance's weaknesses partially in response to the praise for it I've seen. I've only played Sera, Cullen, and Iron Bull's romances so I can't even pick up the shield for most romances even if that was a goal, which it isn't.

[katerinafm]

If you feel that way then why go on a message board? They're meant to express opinions including criticism.

 

Yes, but you also seem set on your opinion, when your original post is you ASKING why IB is so popular. When people told you why, you started declaring that it CAN'T be so, because YOU didn't like it. In the end you're resulting in going back to 'no there should be more and I didn't like it and thus it is lazy' when people are responding to you. I was also trying to lighten the mood.

[congokong]

They are relevant since it is the cause of you thinking the romance sucks. If there was more budget devoted to the romance, there would be more content and thus your opinion could be affected. 

It isn't relevant towards my opinion of the end-product which won't be swayed because they had reasons for it sucking. Everyone has reasons for everything. It's irrelevant towards if the romance on its own is good or bad.

[AresKeith]

It isn't relevant towards my opinion of the end-product which won't be swayed because they had reasons for it sucking. Everyone has reasons for everything. It's irrelevant towards if the romance on its own is good or bad.

 

So why are you asking people why they liked a romance?

[congokong]

Yes, but you also seem set on your opinion, when your original post is you ASKING why IB is so popular. When people told you why, you started declaring that it CAN'T be so, because YOU didn't like it. In the end you're resulting in going back to 'no there should be more and I didn't like it and thus it is lazy' when people are responding to you. I was also trying to lighten the mood.

I disagreed with your rebuttal with explanation; not just shutting my ears and saying, "No. No. It sucks." If I hear a good rebuttal I'll respect it, but your dismissive reasoning isn't such IMO.

[veeia]

Bull is pretty upfront that he doesn't care to judge people depending on what group they belong to or what they're labelled as so if we had gotten more dialogue options with him, I'd prefer they expand his character not more variations "no I don't care you're whatever," because it's a nonissue to him. I mean I can see why people would like the option, but considering word budgets, it doesn't seem like a high priority. Sera, however, it is a real issue, so it's brought up there if you're a mage and romance her, which I think is smart.

I haven't romanced him with Adaar, but if he has no special comments after becoming Tal Vasoth (romanced or not actually) , that's a pity. It's not isolated to him though. Still mad my ex con Cadash gets no special dialogue with Blackwall during Revelations, for example.

[katerinafm]

I disagreed with your rebuttal with explanation; not just shutting my ears and saying, "No. No. It sucks." If I hear a good rebuttal I'll respect it, but your dismissive reasoning isn't such IMO.

 

Just because you didn't like my counter points doesn't mean they were dismissive. I've went over your points and gave my opinion on them :/. If you are looking for people to simply agree with you, then you shouldn't have opened this discussion since it invites people that liked his romance.

[Sui Causa]

I'm not "dumping the responsibility on this one character." I'm addressing his romance's weaknesses partially in response to the praise for it I've seen. I've only played Sera, Cullen, and Iron Bull's romances so I can't even pick up the shield for most romances even if that was a goal, which it isn't.

\facepalm.

 

So your problem isn't just with Iron Bull's romance, it's lack of romantic progression across the board. But you take one of the romances that is one of the less popular, more often attacked romances to bear the brunt of your attack on it? Really? Iron Bull's fan thread has what, 400 pages? Cullen's has almost 5k? Sera's has almost 3k? They all suffer from the same lack of Inquisitor-specific dialogue and the like, and yet You decide Iron Bull's romance is the weak one that you need to address?

 

Yeaaaaah.

[congokong]

So why are you asking people why they liked a romance?

If you want to get into the semantics of the question, then yes, it's more an expression of opinion and a rhetorical question than a longing for insight. Secondarily, however, if there's something about his romance that explains the popularity and addresses my noted problems I'd love to hear it.

[veeia]

I like his romance because it's different and more layered than it seems like it would be. It's sweet but not cavity inducing, and he's a good stable partner who takes responsibility for his actions and problems. It's not for all people, and I had to work for awhile to figure out a Quizzie that I thought would be good for him, but I'm glad I did, because it's unique and fun. I don't know what else you want.

[congokong]

\facepalm.

 

So your problem isn't just with Iron Bull's romance, it's lack of romantic progression across the board. But you take one of the romances that is one of the less popular, more often attacked romances to bear the brunt of your attack on it? Really? Iron Bull's fan thread has what, 400 pages? Cullen's has almost 5k? Sera's has almost 3k? They all suffer from the same lack of Inquisitor-specific dialogue and the like, and yet You decide Iron Bull's romance is the weak one that you need to address?

 

Yeaaaaah.

No... I'm not criticizing all romances. Of the three I played, I found the Iron Bull one with several elephants in the room that should have been addressed.

 

I also wouldn't use the fan-thread page count as a reliable means to make a romance tally.

[Twilight_Princess]

I think that ignorance was confirmed to be a bug... though I'm not sure. Either way, this is somewhat of-topic, so let's drop the issue

 

Interesting, I know it's OT but are there plans to fix this in a future patch or something?

[congokong]

I like his romance because it's different and more layered than it seems like it would be. It's sweet but not cavity inducing, and he's a good stable partner who takes responsibility for his actions and problems. It's not for all people, and I had to work for awhile to figure out a Quizzie that I thought would be good for him, but I'm glad I did, because it's unique and fun. I don't know what else you want.

That is what I want; an explanation for why you'd like the romance despite the issues I've mentioned rather than simply dismissing its negatives. Thank you.

[AresKeith]

That is what I want; an explanation for why you'd like the romance despite the issues I've mentioned rather than simply dismissing its negatives. Thank you.

 

Why should people give an explanation for something they like? They like it regardless of the negatives and issues

[congokong]

Why should people give an explanation for something they like? They like it regardless of the negatives and issues

Should they? Not necessarily. But they can, and often do.

[vertigomez]

bc he is fab

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[veeia]

I just think you've set yourself up for disappointment if you think Mage!Adaar/Bull should be like Mage!Hawke/Fenris. And I actually get why you might think that going in, of course, and want to play with that, but the game imo makes it apparent pretty fast thats not the way it's going to be, and I'm actually pretty glad about that, because Fenris and IB are not the same at all, and it's pretty awesome imo that they have two of these big male 2H warriors that have been through so much trauma and yet experience that so differently, as they should, given how different their backgrounds, experiences, and temperaments are. 

 

Bull's conflict is never about your relationship, because having good relationships with people despite their backgrounds is kind of his thing. That's not Fenris's thing, and it never could be, given his background, ya know? 

[doctor michael]

I haven't found a single romance option I like. Josephine is as close as it gets. Oh, how I miss Isabella. Or Morrigan, for that matter!

[Rekkampum]

Interesting interpretation.

 

I've gotten that vibe from the internet yet cannot understand why. On my first playthrough when I played my female qunari Inquisitor I felt deprived of good romance options (before falling for Sera's character) and with reservation chose Iron Bull. I thought the dynamic had a lot of potential with my pc being a mage Tal-Vashok and him staying loyal to the qun yet, like Fenris/mage Hawke, the possibilities are left untapped.

 

1. Iron Bull, much like Zevran and Isabela, isn't accustomed to romantic relationships. However, without reservations he accepts being with one woman and accepts her as "kadan" rather easily without much character development.

2. He displays no dismay about being with a Tal-Vashok, more importantly a mage, despite following the qun. That's a missed "forbidden love" opportunity. I'm aware he's not devout but the subject is ignored entirely.

3. Him inevitably returning to his people is only mentioned in passing. Seriously?

 

I will say Iron Bull has one enjoyable scene when Cullen, Josephine, and Cassandra walk in on him nude. Yet I'd prefer a romance to be less about humor and more character development.

 

Did others get this impression?

 

Interesting interpretation. However, it isn't until you complete his personal quest - not the one on the Storm Coast - that he begins to develop stronger bonds with Quizzy, especially considering how important said tradition is to the Qunari. The other quest also is significant given its importance symbolically. Also note "kadan" is not essentially a romantic title, but one that can be applied to anyone the Qunari considers important to them. Sten, for instance, uses this term to refer to the Warden if their approval is high enough.

 

He's Ben-Hassrath but basically has been living like a Tal-Vashoth for a while, even doing things that are normally forbidden to the Qun. He seems to respect a Vashoth Inquisitor purely on virtue of them not being like the others and notes that he has no problem with them as long as they respect each other. I imagine his experience with so many different backgrounds also has granted him a more moderate stance.

 

If you encourage him to preserve the Dreadnought, he comes to the realization that he needs to reaffirm his duty to the Qun. In light of that, him leaving makes sense. It's also important to note that - assuming the other quest was done - the bond he's made with the Inquisitor will last in spite of their distance. Thus, their relationship isn't something he's going to casually toss aside. Of course, if you don't, then he decides - even in spite of being upset over becoming Tal-Vashoth - that loyalty to his friends is more important. And of course, he won't be returning now that he's been exiled.

 

I liked and hated that latter scene because it doesn't make sense in context - they're supposedly going to see the Inquisitor but are visiting Bull's quarters. Nonetheless it was campy and entertaining... although the random guard walking inside of the room while it was taking place wasn't. I wish I would've screenshot it.

 

But yeah, I'm guessing the laissez faire and utilitarian approach the Qunari have when it comes to relationships may explain why there isn't much bonding outside of those key moments. I would've liked something akin to what you were able to do with Sera - sitting on the roof - because it actually gave us something to pass our time aside from kissing them. Maybe whacking him with that stick for a bit would be fun.

[Pantalaimon]

I romanced Bull on my main playthrough because he's really neutral towards alot of things and he doesn't create unnecessary drama. He doesn't have any secrets to hide, he deeply cares for the men/women under his command, he doesn't have any hate towards magic (as long as it's used properly, not to burn down a school), he doesn't have any huge baggage from his past and he gets along with EVERYONE. He's friends with Cole, Cassandra, Sera, Dorian (a Tevinter Mage), he plays chess with Solas... he even gets along with Vivienne! 

 

He's only really concerned with the whole evil Venatori/Tevinter stuff, which is totally understandable since everyone in the Inquisition has some sort of beef with something.(Varric and Red Templars, Blackwall and Darkspawn, Dorian and Venatori, Vivienne and Rebel Mages/Templars etc)

 

His romance is really good. I personally loved the whole surprise BDSM in the first romance scene, Bioware really surprised me with that. In the second scene he tells you that his reason for doing this is so you can relax and have some time off from being the hero of the entire world for a night, I was not expecting that after how the last 2 promiscuous romances were all about sex and three/fouresomes. Bull really cares, and he wants you to be happy.

 

Let's not forget how you have to battle a ferocious High Dragon to craft a handmade Dragon Tooth amulet for you both so no matter how far away you are, you'll never be apart. Isn't that extremely romantic?

 

 

Anyway, to sum it all up, these are my personal reasons for loving The Iron Bull. He might look and seem like a big brainless brute, but he's actually a highly intelligent spy who cares about those close to him.. and a big ol' softy when it comes to his Kadan. 

 

EDIT: Romancing him while you have an alliance with the Qunari (sacrificing the chargers) is probably the worst path you can take in his romance, you're essentially erasing his humanity to turn him into just another mindless follower of the Qun. 

[Carmen_Willow]

I enjoyed my Iron Bull romance. I like his pragmatic character and thought that, for a member of the Qun, he was far from being dogmatic about his people's "religion." It's not a romance I would repeat, but it was still fun. I don't see the Bull needing a lot of development, because he came across to me as a pretty well-centered character. He knows who he is, he knew himself well enough to turn himself in when he felt he was slipping outside the norms of his faith. He seems to know what he wants from life and sex and relationships, and he knows how to relate to others. I think of him as a guy who would have little trouble adjusting to the fact that, after all this time, he found an individual he could care for more than his culture would say was appropriate and a man who can come to terms with the fact that he must decide whether or not the good of the many always outweighs the good of the few. He was one of the few characters with little angst, and frankly, that was a nice change.

[Mims]

There's nothing wrong with not liking a romance, OP. I'm not sure why people who did like it need to explain why they liked it to you. There's not likely to be hidden revelations therein. It is simply a matter of taste. You didn't care for it. That doesn't mean everyone who liked it is 'dismissing its negatives'.

[Poledo]

Bull is the one character I never flirt with nor have I entertained the idea of romancing him even in the least. I just can't see it. I can't wrap my head around it. I've done all other relationships at this point but I will never romance Bull.