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[TheJediSaint]

So far I've yet to bed any dudes in a Bioware RPG.  The Gay Agenda's going to have to step up their game.

[AresKeith]

So far I've yet to bed any dudes in a Bioware RPG.  The Gay Agenda's going to have to step up their game.

 

They're prepping the mind control device

[vertigomez]

Beware Zevran's message!
 
(I always lose it on remembering that. Just )

Ahh, Zevran. A master of sexual subtlety.

Like this?
 

Precisely!

[Stelae]

Well, OP, I don't suppose this will satisfy you, but one of the things I really liked about the Iron Bull romance was that he wasn't a broody, wailing ball of problems and psychoses for you to fix, like, say, Fenris or Anders.  In fact, he wanted to ease your burden -- to actually be supportive and kind to you.  No demands, no weirda*s destructive behaviour, no major malfunctions for you to fix or bizarre post-coital silent treatment. He's generous, and he enjoys being generous.

 

Another: He was very clear about what he was offering, and consent-checked, which is hella hot, and he knew how to run a BDSM relationship with mutual respect and boundaries.

 

And he's not an innocent -- in fact, he's quite gifted, from the bits of banter we hear -- so the sex is likely to be great fun, but what you have is still a sort of first time, for him, because of the emotional connection. 

[ThreeF]

Well, OP, I don't suppose this will satisfy you, but one of the things I really liked about the Iron Bull romance was that he wasn't a broody, wailing ball of problems and psychoses for you to fix, like, say, Fenris or Anders.

This is very quotable.

[vertigomez]

Well, OP, I don't suppose this will satisfy you, but one of the things I really liked about the Iron Bull romance was that he wasn't a broody, wailing ball of problems and psychoses for you to fix, like, say, Fenris or Anders.  In fact, he wanted to ease your burden -- to actually be supportive and kind to you.  No demands, no weirda*s destructive behaviour, no major malfunctions for you to fix or bizarre post-coital silent treatment. He's generous, and he enjoys being generous.
 
Another: He was very clear about what he was offering, and consent-checked, which is hella hot, and he knew how to run a BDSM relationship with mutual respect and boundaries.
 
And he's not an innocent -- in fact, he's quite gifted, from the bits of banter we hear -- so the sex is likely to be great fun, but what you have is still a sort of first time, for him, because of the emotional connection.

Oh god, this. It's nice to have someone be your pillar for once, instead of the PC having to play therapist all the time.

(Off topic, but that's one of the things I liked about Zev's romance. He recites hilariously awful sex poetry at the Warden just to make them smile, 'cause it's a shame for them to be so sad. D'awww!)

Plus, there's this fun sort of dichotomy with Bull, because he's so physically huge and intimidating and he's crass and definitely has a potty mouth... and he's also fiercely intelligent and soft-hearted and he's just ?? ? rly great, 10/10 Iron Bull

[Rekkampum]

 No demands, no weirda*s destructive behaviour, no major malfunctions for you to fix or bizarre post-coital silent treatment.

 

 

Solas strongly disapproves.

[veeia]

I don't like framing the Fenris romance as him being someone you need to fix. I know a lot of people do that, but it bothers me. His melodrama can be cheesy, and I'll admit to poking jokes at his expense (it's just so easy), but IMO, Fenris "fixes" himself, you just have to patient enough to let him work through the incredible trauma he went through until he feels secure enough to have a relationship. It's not for everyone, just like Bull isn't, but that particular reading always frustrates me.

[HuldraDancer]

I don't like framing the Fenris romance as him being someone you need to fix. I know a lot of people do that, but it bothers me. His melodrama can be cheesy, and I'll admit to poking jokes at his expense (it's just so easy), but IMO, Fenris "fixes" himself, you just have to patient enough to let him work through the incredible trauma he went through until he feels secure enough to have a relationship. It's not for everyone, just like Bull isn't, but that particular reading always frustrates me.

 

With how much it feels like you need to play therapist to the companions/LIs though (for most people anyway) thats a pretty reasonable way to see it. Not saying its right just saying I see how people get that vibe. I can't speak on the Fenris romance since I've only done it once and had such long pauses between it I can't really remember how i felt about it personally *shrugs*

[Abelas Forever!]

I didn't think it was weird that IB only wants to be with you because you'll have to flirt with him quite a long time before anything happens. I always thought that he uses this time thinking should he start anything with you because you are inquisitor after all. When he sees you in your room then he has decided that he will give you a change if you want it and when you talk to him afterwards he will clearly say that he isn't seeing anybody else even though you are not in committed relationship. I also thought that he had developed strong feelings towards Inquisitor probably not knowing about them because he calls you kadan when you are drinking together and I think it was an accident. So when you give him his gift it means a lot to him. Perhaps he realizes then how much you and your relationship really means to him.

 

I have never thought that my Hawke fixed Fenris. He just needed more help than others and it was you who helped him more than he helped you. When your mother had died he came to see you and he helped you in return so it wasn't just you who helped him. What comes to IB it's a nice change that you don't have to help him but if you want a relationship with him then you have to agree with his terms. There is no other way. I liked the romance and I didn't have a problem with that and it was quite interesting because you were in charge of the inquisition and he was in charge outside of it. So it was quite equal. But I don't remember seeing a LI whose help you could ask so he would help you more than you help him.

[veeia]

There's a great part in his character notes that were found in the game files where it say something like "Iron Bull was burnt out by his former life and the resolve and passion of it so he prefers to keep things light and casual so he's not disappointed again ." It's speaking about his approach to life in general, but it absolutely applies to the romance and makes me think about the look of surprise and the tone of his voice when you give him that gift. Because he did let the relationship get serious but he also kind of downplays it, like it does with all the things in his life, but you're an area where it turns out he didn't need to, because you don't disappoint him. You surprise him. Bull.

[Abelas Forever!]

Before I romanced IB I thought that his romance would  be quite different. I thought that he would spent time with other people like he spents time with you at the same time he is with you at least in the beginning of the romance. But it turned out to be quite different and I liked that he said in the beginning that he doesn't spent time with anybody else while you have your thing going on. I also liked the scene where you give him the gift. It was so sweet and full of emotion.

[congokong]

Cullen only romances Humans and Elves, but seeing him with a tall female Qunari would have been awesome! Lol

 

Yes, that's why I like that one quest where Cullen joins me.

My qunari was hot. I don't get Cullen's problem.

 

And I learned just recently about the quest you're referring to and am pissed. My Cullen-romance Inquisitor chose the templars so never got this quest. Is their romance-specific dialogue?

[congokong]

In reply to several people, it seems the romance requires a lot of head-canons to make it flow well for them. That's a large issue for me; especially since I went into it largely hoping for the dynamics in my OP to be addressed, and was disappointed. Clearly Iron Bull wasn't the type of romance I was looking for.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't like framing the Fenris romance as him being someone you need to fix. I know a lot of people do that, but it bothers me. His melodrama can be cheesy, and I'll admit to poking jokes at his expense (it's just so easy), but IMO, Fenris "fixes" himself, you just have to patient enough to let him work through the incredible trauma he went through until he feels secure enough to have a relationship. It's not for everyone, just like Bull isn't, but that particular reading always frustrates me.

 

Agreed. People consistently misread the Fenris romance and even his entire character. Just a few posts ago he was accused of wailing. He does brood, understandably, but he doesn't wail or moan or b!tch or (insert BSN complaint). He is someone coping on a daily basis with extremely severe PTSD. I agree Hawke doesn't fix him; Hawke is simply "there" for him. S/he's there to listen, to kiss and hold (if in a romance), to simply hold his hand or be there (if a friend). As for Fenris fixing himself, well, can you "fix" yourself in that circumstance? I think Fenris will always be broken, and he understands that. It's about learning to cope with it.

 

It's a shame we didn't see any of that suffering in Bull's friendship or romance arc. We were told he has personal demons and also that he has an extreme fear of actual demons, but this is rarely if ever discussed. So when people praise Bull for being drama-free it's more to do with the lack of good writing. A truly drama-free character would be someone like Josie.

[congokong]

Speaking of Fenris, as mentioned in my OP, I feel is romance was largely untapped. His views on magic never budge regardless of romancing a mage in friendship or rivalry. He'll say terrible things about mages in quest dialogue with Hawke right there. You'd think there'd be some doubt about his adamant view that mages need to be imprisoned; especially when he's a hypocrite for being in a relationship with an apostate.

[congokong]

It's a shame we didn't see any of that suffering in Bull's friendship or romance arc. We were told he has personal demons and also that he has an extreme fear of actual demons, but this is rarely if ever discussed. So when people praise Bull for being drama-free it's more to do with the lack of good writing. A truly drama-free character would be someone like Josie.

That's the thing. People like Iron Bull for being a light-hearted romance, but his background doesn't make him appropriate for this; especially when romancing a Tal-Vashok mage. Josie's romance feels like romancing a Disney princess. She's more suitable for the drama-free/don't need any fixing types.

[Demonique]

Prinze's accent didn't help much; he did a far more compelling job as Vega.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Oh wait, you're serious LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Rekkampum]

Agreed. People consistently misread the Fenris romance and even his entire character. Just a few posts ago he was accused of wailing. He does brood, understandably, but he doesn't wail or moan or b!tch or (insert BSN complaint). He is someone coping on a daily basis with extremely severe PTSD. I agree Hawke doesn't fix him; Hawke is simply "there" for him. S/he's there to listen, to kiss and hold (if in a romance), to simply hold his hand or be there (if a friend). As for Fenris fixing himself, well, can you "fix" yourself in that circumstance? I think Fenris will always be broken, and he understands that. It's about learning to cope with it.

 

It's a shame we didn't see any of that suffering in Bull's friendship or romance arc. We were told he has personal demons and also that he has an extreme fear of actual demons, but this is rarely if ever discussed. So when people praise Bull for being drama-free it's more to do with the lack of good writing. A truly drama-free character would be someone like Josie.

 

Actually, you can discuss it with him. Right at the very beginning before I'd even considered pursuing him, he talked about his experiences fighting Tal Vashoth and Fog Warriors and how he'd gotten so burnt out while trying to take on a job covering as a Tal Vashoth that he willingly sent himself to the re-educators. I think that obviously says a lot about how he chooses to deal with issues he faces and the amount of devotion to the causes he believes in. You can learn alot more in the banters he has with Solas and other party members. [EDIT: And hearing his stories of what the Tal Vashoth he ran into while fighting in Seheron actually did - like kill children, etc. - I think it's plainly obvious why he doesn't have much of a problem with a Vashoth Inquisitor. They're nothing like the Tal Vashoth he's been fighting for years, and thus it's easier to give the benefit of the doubt to them.]

 

He isn't "drama free". He just registers and handles his own conflicts differently. Same goes for Josephine. Even when the Chargers die if you sacrifice them, you can clearly tell - without headcannon - that he's suppressing how he truly feels for the greater good. He just keeps his personal affairs to himself; one shouldn't expect every character they run into to be one that wants to spill their guts everytime you befriend or romance them. Especially when he makes it clear that he doesn't want to burden the Inquisitor.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Beware Zevran's message!

 

Ah yes, my Warden was really surprised by those peculiar Antivan massage techniques. Morrigan even more so...

[leaguer of one]

So far I've yet to bed any dudes in a Bioware RPG.  The Gay Agenda's going to have to step up their game.

Then roll as a woman when you play rpgs. I bedded as many men as woman in bw rpg....I never done guy on guy though.

 

Also, girl on girl is also gay agenda.

[Rekkampum]

I didn't like the BDSM stuff and him being the dominant one

different strokes for different folks I guess

 

The BDSM bit caught me off guard myself. It really sucked that I couldn't Dom, - especially considering my first Quizzy was a male Qunari - so I had to take turns imagining which companions would probably Dom him. Vivienne so far is the only one that comes to mind.

[Mewlss]

Hmm, I never pegged Iron Bull's romance as 'so popular' at least not Solas or Cullen popular.. I would only assume it's because he's a mix of funny and sweet at times - his romance shows a side of him you don't see unless he is romanced, plus, you can romance him with anyone! He's also the only 'kinky' romance option in Inquisition as far as I can tell. That works for players that are drawn to that sort of thing. I only romanced Iron Bull during my playthrough because his romance isn't too serious like the romance with Solas or Cullen, or... Josie, for example, and still a HAPPY ENDING to it!

 

Alsooooo,

He gives you a nickname.

He makes sure you're comfortable with whatever you're doing.

You each have half a dragons tooth so no matter where either of you are, you're always with each other. N'aww.

He'll also transition to being completely faithful to your Inqui. instead of continuing to sleep around with randoms.

 

Other than that, I can't see why it's so popular. Personally while playing games that have an odd/fictional race/species romance option like Iron Bull I go for it (hehe), just like for Mass Effect I had it in for Garrus They always seem to make good LIs. 

 

Am I missing anything?