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[LPPrince]

I play as women in games a lot. There's certainly been an increase for me in the last few years, mainly because I know that the developers and publishers have the metrics for how many of certain genders and classes are being played. The more women are used in games they are offered in, the more they'll pop up over the years, not just as main playable characters for female gamers to relate to, but more female gamers will come in since they can relate to the leads like I usually can as a heterosexual dude.

 

But ask the media and its because I want to see some sweet ass. You'll hear the words "objectifying" and "sexualizing" from the very people I'm trying to accommodate and help.

 

Thats what all this drama has caused and promoted. Garbage thinking and garbage attitudes, even in the face of support.

[Sully13]

Look at what happened at Dragoncon last yeat when a girl askesd a pannel about geting into the Dev side of gameing thay scared her sh*tless. I duno maybee telling women all gamers are out to kill rape and eat them.. puts them off playing.

 

Liana K has spoken about this in recent videos. I'll post them when i can.   

[LPPrince]

I do think a problem gaming has is with bullies. Thats an issue that needs to be dealt with but CORRECTLY. Too many people treat it as a "guy" problem when it is in fact just a gaming thing that needs to be expunged.

 

MORE OPTIMISM AND FRIENDLIES PLS

 

(side note, follow Charalanahzard, she is awesome)

 

[leighzard]

^Voice of reason

[Sully13]

To late i already do. and yeah she is. 

i did this whith Transformers.

 

most of this stems from how geek culture began. whith Nerds.

question how were Games seen in the 80s?.. Answer not like they were in the 90s.

now how were computers seen in the 80s or even 70s?

in the Nerd groups women tended to be just there in the group. i only got bullied by other girls.

because i wasnt like them.

i liked Robots and Gatchaman i played whith boys and hated makeup.

thats who judged me back in the day.

[LPPrince]

^Voice of reason

 

And even she gets harassed by the occasional thirsty commenter or kid who screams about things that require no consent. :/

 

Thats why we ALL gotta set an example, rather than be the expectation.

[LPPrince]

To late i do.

 

most of this stems from how geek culture began. whith Nerds.

question how were Games seen in the 80s?.. Answer not like they were in the 90s.

now how were computers seen in the 80s or even 70s?

in the Nerd groups women tended to be just there in the group. i only got bullied by other girls.

because i wasnt like them.

i liked Robots and Gatchaman i played whith boys and hated makeup.

thats who judged me back in the day.

 

Though today women are untouchable, can do no wrong, and are the only victims, in the eyes of the third wave. What was it Anita tweeted not too long ago, something about how you can't be sexist towards men because of how society works or some dumb *expletive* like that.

 

I think people forget that all these issues are not a "male" problem, "female" problem, or "gamer" problem-

 

They are "human" problems, and as humans, we need to all be held accountable and work towards fixing this.

[Sully13]

EX-FRIKIN-ATLY.

Sheesh its like every one wants to start the Great war. i just want to play in the aftermath whith me PIPBOY.

[LPPrince]

EX-FRIKIN-ATLY.

Sheesh its like every one wants to start the Great war. i just want to play in the aftermath whith me PIPBOY.

 

Its the case of SOME of the bullied(or those who perceive themselves to be bullied) thinking in order to not be bullies, they need to become the bullies. Its getting out of hand.

 

Guys have no problem with more girls in gaming, and gaming being more inclusive. Trolls do. Douche bags do. People no one wants around do.

 

But humanity loves negativity, so thats what gets promoted around here, even down to gaming.

 

Lets be honest, if the world were full of optimists, we'd have world peace at the snap of a finger, billions of dollars that go to war would go to peace, healing, science, and we'd all be better off for it. Even gaming.

 

But nah, the world's got too many pessimists going, "It can't happen so whats the point in trying" and so nothing changes or if it does, it happens at a snail's pace.

 

Its actually not that hard for things to get better. Just wish people believed in it more.

[Sully13]

s'why im an AntiRadfem and more humanist hell even a Mananist (I want that shirt.)

To me SJWs are bullies in victims clothing. there the kids who drive the nail in to the coffin or ehe A.L.F. member who Grave robs a granny to hold bodysnatch the victim and hold it random.

but hat they are the good guys and if you arnt exactly like them your the problem.. and woebetide you if you voice your oppinion.

 

Popquiz. How many times has the media mentioned women who critique Anita Sarkesean?     

[LPPrince]

I don't think I've heard much about the women who are critical of Sarkeesian and her camp, which is MANY.

 

I know a few women that agree with her and are totally on her side, and I know a few that think she's crazy about most things on top of being a manipulator.

[Sully13]

Exactly.

this is why im giveing up on humanity.. im off to be a gerbil. 

[leighzard]

Popquiz. How many times has the media mentioned women who critique Anita Sarkesean?     

 

*raises hand*

Ooh!  Ooh!  pick me!

Is it zero?

 

Anyway, whether you agree with her opinions or not (and I personally split on her - some of her points are good ones, some are overreaching), she doesn't deserve the treatment she's received from some people.  But that's just from some people.  Some very strange people who are not representative of "gamers" and certainly didn't deserve to have that farce of an SVU episode devoted to them. 

 

Edit: Good luck with the gerbil thing.  It has it's hazards too, though.  I mean, watch out for Richard Gere.

Just to throw another completely ridiculous urban legend into the thread.

[LPPrince]

I wish we could manipulate society into forever perceiving that episode as the joke that it actually is.

[slimgrin]

I wish we could manipulate society into forever perceiving that episode as the joke that it actually is.

 

If anyone swallowed that zany narrative, gamer or not, then they shouldn't be watching TV.

[Sully13]

nah any point she has is sooo hiden is a pile of.... detritus. its hard to see.

sure she NAMES intresting stuff. the Smurffet princable to name one but then she misses the point and judt pews that women are sooooooo weak we injure at words.

its like that frekin Bechdal test.

[LPPrince]

If anyone swallowed that zany narrative, gamer or not, then they shouldn't be watching TV.

 

Then a LOT of people shouldn't be watching TV. TV would die. They'd all come online.

 

THAT would be a disaster.

[Sully13]

If anyone swallowed that zany narrative, gamer or not, then they shouldn't be watching TV.

Ahem Fox vewers.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

One day, historians are going to look back at Gamergate and conclude that members on both sides were mentally ill all along.

 

This "controversy" should never have even been given the time of day.

 

I can't even be bothered with the details anymore. I just sit back and enjoy the memes and entertainment it brings.

 

I'm an ex-journalism student with a few articles floating around a couple of print and online pubs, so I actually do care about things like 'ethics in journalism'. Even if it's only vidya journalism. I won't deny though that what's keeping me interested more than anything are the happenings, dank maymays and lolcow milk. It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

On the greater subject, I like how the SVU episode has gotten people to re-examine the whole issue. The SVU episode is the embodiment of the actual smear going on by the mainstream and gaming press. GG wants to drive women out of gaming. GG have killed two people [there are a few crazies who push this crap], GG have victimised brave womyn, GG are literal terrorists, Obama needs to arrest GG and h8chan, etc.

 

For the past six months, day after day after day, hit pieces have been written, filmed and produced where the GG side is completely absent, misinterpreted or ignored.

 

The SVU episode like many others was 'ripped from the headlines'. While most people agree that it was a ridiculous episode, it was also an accurate portrayal of what the media has said GG is. The same people who pushed this narrative are unhappy, because it forces them to recognise how bullshit their bullshit actually is. And, the smear this time was far reaching since it painted all gamers and the industry at-large as being like this.

 

*holding back tears*

"Women in gaming... what did I expect...?"

 

Really now. 

 

But it's nice to see people (and developers) start to realise that GG aren't terrorists, misogynists or anything of the like. GG is more akin to an army of anonymous shitposters and OC creators than anything else. And while that presents it's own problems (it's understandably hard for people to take them or their concerns seriously because they 90% of what they do is shitpost and make dank maymays), it's certainly not what the media has made them out to be.

[LPPrince]

Issue is, the people responsible for pushing this narrative to the media don't realize THEY are responsible for it. They see no wrong, internally.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Issue is, the people responsible for pushing this narrative to the media don't realize THEY are responsible for it. They see no wrong, internally.

 

True, there was an article on VG 24/7 where the writer pretty much said, "Don't shoot the messenger! We just report the news! Don't get involved game devs, if you know what's good for you..."

 

It's annoying because the mainstream media has never missed an opportunity to crap on gaming (remember Fox and the Mass Effect stuff) but I would've thought we moved past all these stereotypes by now. Thankfully, most people see how stupid it is. But there are still many who buy it.

[LPPrince]

True, there was an article on VG 24/7 where the writer pretty much said, "Don't shoot the messenger! We just report the news! Don't get involved game devs, if you know what's good for you..."

 

It's annoying because the mainstream media has never missed an opportunity to crap on gaming (remember Fox and the Mass Effect stuff) but I would've thought we moved past all these stereotypes by now. Thankfully, most people see how stupid it is. But there are still many who buy it.

 

Its just disgusting. Still. I don't know if it'll ever be over.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Its just disgusting. Still. I don't know if it'll ever be over.

If you mean GG, it will definitely end sooner or later and fade into it's own watchdog community that may cover more than just gaming. It's already starting to happen. But I'm not going to forget the publications who colluded through a secret mailing list to declare that 'gamers are dead', 'gamers need to die', 'gamers are over', then proceeded to in lie, smear, censor and finally, sell gamers out to the mainstream media all so they could cover their asses and win social justice brownie points.

As for the smear on gaming, that will end sooner or later too. But honestly, I think for the mainstream media to stop crapping on it, it will require popular public figures who proudly call themselves gamers brave enough to weather media scrutiny. There are still cases of politicians suffering smear campaigns from their opponents based on the fact they play WoW or some crap. It's absolute garbage that still gets peddled and it's very saddening.

[LPPrince]

If you mean GG, it will definitely end sooner or later and fade into it's own watchdog community that may cover more than just gaming. It's already starting to happen. But I'm not going to forget the publications who colluded through a secret mailing list to declare that 'gamers are dead', 'gamers need to die', 'gamers are over', then proceeded to in lie, smear, censor and finally, sell gamers out to the mainstream media all so they could cover their asses and win social justice brownie points.

As for the smear on gaming, that will end sooner or later too. But honestly, I think for the mainstream media to stop crapping on it, it will require popular public figures who proudly call themselves gamers brave enough to weather media scrutiny. There are still cases of politicians suffering smear campaigns from their opponents based on the fact they play WoW or some crap. It's absolute garbage that still gets peddled and it's very saddening.

 

I meant gaming getting beat down in the media.

 

It might have to do with what generation is presenting the news. So with more time, our generation will handle it and it'll be more open-minded.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Maybe. But it'll get better eventually. You aren't seen as a thug if you like rap, or a satanist if you like D&D these days, so gaming will have it's day. Eventually.