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[stylepoints]

It really is a great game. Some people nowadays consider loot collecting the definition of rpgs. You can still customize what kind of damage you do, armor has different stats with health/shield/damage boosting etc. Your weapons get more powerful throughout the game etc. You just can't bend over and loot a geth so it is apparently no longer an rpg. Sad.

[JoshRose1]

I don't agree.



The game is fantastic, and I have found the RPG elements MORE compelling than the first game. I love the character customization, being able to equip different components of armor, and customize them visually. I love that credits have some value now. It's enjoyable to look through various stores and purchase helpful upgrades.



What exactly is gone that removes the 'RPG' status of the game? The clunky inventory and looting system? You still have an inventory, you customize your armor and weapons before the mission.



I'm a hardcore RPG fan, and i think this game is flawless. Good job Bioware.

[Surberus]

I agree it's a great rpg, but I miss the customization. That's what makes a character feel truly mine. Without that, I feel like something is missing.

[stylepoints]

Josh you and I agree completely. I think these people believe that if you cant loot the geth it is no longer an rpg.



Not only did they bring back the great storytelling and character interaction, they actually made different classes play differently. Soldiers and Vanguards play nothing alike etc, adding huge replayability. This is a much better game all around.

[stylepoints]

Surberus, what customization are you talking about exactly. You still upgrade your weapons, pick which type of ammo to fire, and can customize several different pieces of armor for MEANINGFUL stat differences.

[Billyo 9999]

I like the action of ME2 though I do think DAO is a far better game. The one thing I really love about ME2 though is the cinematics, sometimes they were so few and far between in DAO that you lost sight of the scope.



The one thing I hate already about ME2 (Granted I'm only a few hours in). The stupid mission complete screens. They totally break the immersion of an RPG.

[stylepoints]

I see why they added the mission complete screen, but I don't like it either to be honest. What is wrong with just having the little popups tell you what you brought home.

[Surberus]

stylepoints wrote...

Surberus, what customization are you talking about exactly. You still upgrade your weapons, pick which type of ammo to fire, and can customize several different pieces of armor for MEANINGFUL stat differences.

None of which can be done on the fly (except for ammo) which means if I face someone/thing I wasn't expecting, I have no way of redistributing my loadout accordingly.

I'm at lvl 10, I have choices between 2 different pistols (all of which get the exact same upgrades), 3 helmets, a few chest pieces, etc. The options are stiffling in my mind. By the end of the game, everyone will be using primarily all the same gear, will all the same upgrades. And yes, that happens in many rpgs, but with so few choices, the available combinations are paltry by comparrison.

Is it better than the system in ME1, I'm not sold on a yes, but I won't say no. ME1's carrying capacity was outlandish, but I enjoyed customizing recoil and the like.

And my main gripe to support all this, that poor Turian I saved early on, who is still stuck in his bullet-ridden armor some 5 levels later because I have no way of changing it. You mean to tell me that a space-traversing, arse-kicking, top notch sniper can't switch out his shoddy, swiss-cheese looking gear, for something that can hold water? Heaven forbid he ever have to go into space cus he's going to get sucked through it faster than I can hit R1.

[cutmeister]

josh42426 wrote...

Dont forget the little people when you get to the top bioware. Your first fans, the nerdy rpg guys.

  I'm sure they won't.  I actually thought BioWare was pretty much on top already but I guess everybody has different opinions on that.

Really though.  What don't you like about Mass Effect 2?  Is it really drastically changed from how ME1 played?

[Jawa Bane]

I am a tad disappointed that they just scrapped the inventory system. I still find the story highly engaging and the dialogue is still a lot like the original Mass Effect. Overall, I am happy with Mass Effect 2. Make that very happy. I know I will get used to the new system and grow more accustomed to it over time.

[Arrtis]

cutmeister wrote...

josh42426 wrote...

Dont forget the little people when you get to the top bioware. Your first fans, the nerdy rpg guys.

  I'm sure they won't.  I actually thought BioWare was pretty much on top already but I guess everybody has different opinions on that.

Really though.  What don't you like about Mass Effect 2?  Is it really drastically changed from how ME1 played?

i hear ME 2 sucks because most things with the number 2 do.:innocent:
Everyone know no game is perfect but with all these responses implies nothings wrong the game was the best...*reponses to the people saying i dont like something that is*
sure not all the time but it sure does feel like it.

[josh42426]

I never said I didnt like mass effect 2. Its just it seems to me that bioware are sacrificing some things I love in rpgs in order to please more gamers

[malkuth74]

Its a good game.  But you can't please everyone.  I like the shooter aspect of it so far.  Don't like the reload or the DLC helmet issue though.

This game is RPG.  But I guess we all have different ideas of what an RPG is.

Again RPG stands for Role Playing Game.  Thats a pretty thin definition.

[MuisicAllie]

josh42426 wrote...

Hardcore rpg fans are no longer welcome in the Mass effect trilogy. Bioware have dumbed down the rpg aspects of mass effect entirely with the sequel and instead opted for a game that will have a wider appeal. Its a very sad day when a rpg developer like bioware wants to appeal to the call of duty generation. Seems we will just have to hope for dragon age now because mass effect is for EVERYONE. Am I the only hardcore rpg fan on these forums or does everbody else like the dumber, simpler mass effect.

If all rpg's were bound by the "true RPG" rules.  It sure would be boring.  On that note, who decides what a true RPG is anyway?  You? I guess you have a perfect idea of what everyone wants.

This game might appeal to a slightly different group of people.  But it's SELFISH to assume only your personal gaming needs should be met.

If you don't like it, go play another game.  No one is chaining you to your keyboard and shouting "PLAY" in your ear.

*deep breath*  Now that I've finished with my rant...

I felt the need to defend BioWare.  They are pc games greatest creative genius.  They are willing to break the mold and try something different.  When people complain about BioWare "changing" - I find it very odd.  The nature of artistic growth is change. 

Go for it BioWare! 

[QuantumSponge]

malkuth74 wrote...

"RPG stands for Role Playing Game".  Thats a pretty thin definition.

Like saying "Sandwich standards for sandwiches". A hefty-sounding, yet content-free barrage of words.

I've yet to hear someone come up with a compelling and satisfying criteria of what does and does not constitute a "true" RPG (the general tenets of an RPG are character creation, customization, and story involvement, and those can be accomplished in a variety of different ways). Essentially, this is a way of moaning about not getting an exact copy of a game you played years ago. A handy little demagogical tool, allowing one to sound authoritative without having to put any great deal of thought into what one is actually saying.

The funny thing is, most of the people I've met who describe themselves as "hardcore RPG fans" have never even tried the real thing. Gotta love it when people mix ignorance with arrogance.

[stylepoints]

I want baldur's gate 2 in space. I want to roll a half-krogan with straight 18s

[Terror_K]

Well, I've played a fair amount of pen and paper AD&D, I did Vampire: The Masquerade for about a year once every week, and currently I'm taking part in a Star Wars Saga Edition campaign set in The Old Republic of all places... which I'll be going to in about half-an-hours time, funnily enough. So you can't lump me in that group.

[spernus]

There's no need to defend Bioware,they can do the job themselves.

Nearly everyone is doing it anyway,even the best of the best.

Nintendo are corporate sellout,no doubt about it...

Capcom has finally decided to sell out as well,nearly scrapping all their niche studio and dumbing down Street fighter which was hardcore(and making shooters or outsourcing IP)...

Square-Enix is desperate to stay mainstream,it's obvious if you look at what they release(milking FF and DQ like crazy as well)...

Blizzard sold out with World of Warcraft,but they are richer than ever...

Valve finally decided to step into the console world and even do a sequel less than a year after the release of Left for dead...

Call of duty,need I say more? Epic games and Lionhead giving up on the PC market...

Crytek done with PC exclusive and dumbing down the tech requirement to be able to put Crysis 2 on console and of course hope to sell 4-5+ million copies...

Ask Ken Levine if he prefer System shock 2 (masterpiece) or Bioshock (dumbed down version of system shock 2) which made him rich?

[Mashiki]

QuantumSponge wrote...

I've yet to hear someone come up with a compelling and satisfying criteria of what does and does not constitute a "true" RPG (the general tenets of an RPG are character creation, customization, and story involvement, and those can be accomplished in a variety of different ways).

The KoTOR series was much truer to holding RPG ideals then ME/ME2, both of which fall under RGP lite nothing more nothing less.  I'm just finding while I enjoy ME2 for the most part, something is jerking me around about the whole game at this point.  Either a lack of actual depth of abilities, or there's no real exploration.

I really didn't mind the parts with the mako, the only thing that annoyed me with that were the mountains that were 85° and were a pita to climb over unless you took a 10min detour.  And before this place slides further into a pit, and starts sounding more like the cesspool of the internet.  I've done the whole P&P crap.

[MassEffect762]

I'm finding combat alittle "clunky" and the team AI isn't as improved as I hoped. Screen looks alittle dark as well as the level up screen.(too dark, uping the brightness past 1 kills the in game lighting imo)



I keep expecting to be able to croach(damn you COD4:MW2) otherwise I'm enjoying the ride.

[Atti Ito]

Did anyone catch the Salarian on the Citadel with some parting remarks from bioware?



"I can't stand all these new roleplaying games with big choices and visceral action. I miss the old days when you needed to remember to drink water, and it took 5 hours in real time to fly anywhere."

[stylepoints]

Honestly the one big disappointment for me is too few skills for each class. I'd sell my soul for my vanguard to get throw for example. The class specific skills are great for the most part however.

[stylepoints]

Actually now that I think about it, would it kill immersion to just drop classes altogether and let you build your own?

[Kyero]

you expected them to ad Swords and shields? lol

[sinosleep]

stylepoints wrote...

Actually now that I think about it, would it kill immersion to just drop classes altogether and let you build your own?

No, but it would kill difficulty balancing IMO. I find that games that in games that let you build your own class it's all too easy to make god mode builds since the ludicrous number of combinations makes it extremely hard or devs to adjust difficulty. When it comes to rpgs I'm always going to want straight up classes.