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[SirEuain]

You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill. 

 

I've probably mentioned this before, but hypocrisy is the binding character trait of all Dragon Age characters. 

[thats1evildude]

Does mage Hawke ever use blood magic in DAI?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Does mage Hawke ever use blood magic in DAI?

 

Nope. 

[thats1evildude]

Then yes, Hawke was a blood mage in the past, but has since walked away from that life, and likely encouraged Merrill to do the same.

 

There is some cut dialogue that indicates seeing Orsino's transformation into the Harvester was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for Hawke. 

[Esperard]

Depends on what kind of blood magic you're talking about. I never played Dragon Age 2 but did he used the blood of innocent people ? Even if you use blood magic as a good person, there is still many people who use to do bad stuff (including killing your mom ) and of course, this is gonna ****** him off

[theflyingzamboni]

"Blood magic is bad if you're anyone except for me, because I am a responsible adult! Or Merrill, because she's adorable. But no other exceptions!"

 

Makes sense to me

[TheJediSaint]

You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill. 

See, I covered that base by rivalmancing Merrill and weaning her off the blood magic.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

"Blood magic is bad if you're anyone except for me, because I am a responsible adult! Or Merrill, because she's adorable. But no other exceptions!"

 

Makes sense to me

That makes Hawke look like a giant hypocrite if you make him/her a blood mage or choose friendship path with Merrill in DAII. In case that you choose to rivalmacing Merrill, but still played as blood mage, Hawke was a giant hypocrite since DAII if he/she's using blood magic, but encouraging Merrill to stop being one. 

 

"I am a responsible adult, and the protagonist of DAII! Don't question me!!!"

[Ashagar]

Merril is certainly not a exception to the whole blood magic is dark bit given her path can lead to the destruction of her clan and even if it doesn't causes nothing but ruin and death for her people.

[Eliastion]

"Blood magic is bad if you're anyone except for me, because I am a responsible adult! Or Merrill, because she's adorable. But no other exceptions!"

 

Makes sense to me

Unfortunately, that would be one of the most realistic mindsets in all the game...

[dgcatanisiri]

Then yes, Hawke was a blood mage in the past, but has since walked away from that life, and likely encouraged Merrill to do the same.

 

There is some cut dialogue that indicates seeing Orsino's transformation into the Harvester was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for Hawke. 

 

Honestly, given the broken nature of purple Hawke (for lack of a better term), how the humor they use seems almost half-hearted and just kind of their heart not being in it, this seems a reasonable approach to the subject. And it ties together pretty well - Orsino could be said to be the most reasonable of all parties by that point, since he didn't blow up the Chantry and wasn't demanding the deaths of people who had no involvement in that same explosion, and then he turns to blood magic. It's kind of a 'how does this help anything?' kind of thing.

[TEWR]

Hawke's hypocritical idiocy and Bioware's bad writing is always solved by headcanon.

 

Merril is certainly not a exception to the whole blood magic is dark bit given her path can lead to the destruction of her clan and even if it doesn't causes nothing but ruin and death for her people.

 

Meh, Merrill's clan are the ones who started the attack if you don't tell them what they want to hear. That's hardly something to pin on Merrill.

[Ashagar]

Except the whole mess wouldn't have happened without her insane obsession with a accursed magic mirror, not to mention sooner or later her non-belief in demons would end badly sooner or later.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Hawke's hypocritical idiocy and Bioware's bad writing is always solved by headcanon.

I would say Hawke has suffered from BioWare's bad writing since DAII. Good thing for my Hawke that he isn't a hypocrite since he's a rogue who hates blood magic and rivalmancing Merrill.

[leaguer of one]

Honestly, given the broken nature of purple Hawke (for lack of a better term), how the humor they use seems almost half-hearted and just kind of their heart not being in it, this seems a reasonable approach to the subject. And it ties together pretty well - Orsino could be said to be the most reasonable of all parties by that point, since he didn't blow up the Chantry and wasn't demanding the deaths of people who had no involvement in that same explosion, and then he turns to blood magic. It's kind of a 'how does this help anything?' kind of thing.

Everyone one he cared for we're being killed by animals. He fell to despair and acted on it.

[leaguer of one]

Hawke's hypocritical idiocy and Bioware's bad writing is always solved by headcanon.

 

 

Meh, Merrill's clan are the ones who started the attack if you don't tell them what they want to hear. That's hardly something to pin on Merrill.

He's not pinning it on her. He's just pointing out how dark it get. Killing off everyone you knew in you life over a misunderstanding is pretty dark.

[leaguer of one]

Except the whole mess wouldn't have happened without her insane obsession with a accursed magic mirror, not to mention sooner or later her non-belief in demons would end badly sooner or later.

First of all, Bloodmagic=demons.

second, she was kick for the use of blood magic as well.

Third, you got the entire concept of how the dalish see spirits wrong. That was not the issue. Anders is an example of the wrong view of spirits leading to his undoing.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Honestly, Hawke being a blood mage isn't even mentioned once in Dragon Age 2, which is extremely odd since you'd think that your companions or any of the templars in Kirkwall would, you know, find that the Champion being one something worth talking about. It's not as if blood magic was a central theme in that game or any thing, right. 

 

I've just always figured that your spec in Dragon Age 2 was just a combat thing that didn't exist in the actually story. 

[KaiserShep]

This is just like how Wynne complained when my city elf took that Vint's deal in the alienage. She was a bloodmage. She knew the score.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Apparently there was going to be a cut conversation with Hawke where we asked him why he hated blood magic. Hawke would reply that he saw what blood magic did to his mother and how Orsino became crazy with it or how the Gallows mages went crazy with blood magic which led to Hawke deciding no good could ever come from blood magic which could be used as justification why a blood mage Hawke stopped using blood magic.

[TEWR]

Except the whole mess wouldn't have happened without her insane obsession with a accursed magic mirror, not to mention sooner or later her non-belief in demons would end badly sooner or later.

 

You mean a magic mirror that she cleansed of its corruption and if she repaired it has its counterpart show up in the Crossroads?

 

You mean a belief that all denizens of the Fade are dangerous, something Anders couldn't grasp?

 

Bah, it never ends. I've argued this **** for 3 years now. I can at least take solace that Inquisition showed how Merrill was right and people who were once Rivaling her are now saying "Well, it looks like you guys were right".

 

I would say Hawke has suffered from BioWare's bad writing since DAII. Good thing for my Hawke that he isn't a hypocrite since he's a rogue who hates blood magic and rivalmancing Merrill.

 

Hawke has indeed suffered from bad writing since then. I reject it for my own Hawke personally.

 

But I'd argue Bioware's bad writing for DA goes all the way back to DAO even. It just wasn't as obvious back then.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Hawke has indeed suffered from bad writing since then. I reject it for my own Hawke personally.

 

But I'd argue Bioware's bad writing for DA goes all the way back to DAO even. It just wasn't as obvious back then.

No matter how hard I try to reject it for my Hawke, he still suffered from bad writing that makes him look well...bad at solving problems.

 

Indeed, and I won't argue with you about that, DAO writing is not flawless, however, I do think their bad writing in DAO is miles better than DAII. It wasn't that obvious, and it wasn't extremely inconsistent like DAII, but regardless our own dear warden hasn't suffered much from it bad writing in DAO. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

This is what happens when you turn player character in rpg into npc.

 

Told ya no one belived.

 

 

Bah, it never ends. I've argued this **** for 3 years now. I can at least take solace that Inquisition showed how Merrill was right and people who were once Rivaling her are now saying "Well, it looks like you guys were right".

 

 

You mean like then when demon almost possessed her and she was no match for it and only hawke saved her ass and then went "no i can handle demons im in control despite i proved that im not but im damn merril so i know better" .

[Deebo305]

You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill.

I seen this complaint afew times and I'm just gonna point out the flaw behind it

1. The Keep doesn't register which specializations you chose for Hawke so whether he was or wasn't a blood mage b4 wouldn't change his attitude on it

2. Not everyone made Hawke a blood mage. Also, neither Merrill or Hawke ever actively sacrificed anyone for their own gains

3. Blood magic was responsible for most of the impactful deaths in DA2 particularly his/her mother

Not sure what kinda Hawke some of you may of headcannon but Hawke is no supporter of blood sacrifices