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[TheKomandorShepard]

I seen this complaint afew times and I'm just gonna point out the flaw behind it

1. The Keep doesn't register which specializations you chose for Hawke so whether he was or wasn't a blood mage b4 wouldn't change his attitude on it

2. Not everyone made Hawke a blood mage. Also, neither Merrill or Hawke ever actively sacrificed anyone for their own gains

3. Blood magic was responsible for most of the impactful deaths in DA2 particularly his/her mother

Not sure what kinda Hawke some of you may of headcannon but Hawke is no supporter of blood sacrifices

 

1.And that only shows they were lazy about it and hanled that awfully because if they didn't put that in keep they should have avoided that topic.

 

2.And not everyone saved the circle doesn't mean that game should treat as the warden burned circle becuase not everyone chose that.

 

3.So? I mean sure you are right here but doesn't change that hawke could be blood mage himself or support merril on that matter what makes his hatred of blood magic very stupid .

[Augustei]

You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill. 

And then theres the fact Hawke is possibly romancing a blood mage (Merrill). When he says to say goodbye to Merrill for him would he like me to leave out all that stuff he said about blood magic?

[Lazarillo]

And then theres the fact Hawke is possibly romancing a blood mage (Merrill). When he says to say goodbye to Merrill for him would he like me to leave out all that stuff he said about blood magic?

 

Who's to say Merrill didn't renounce Blood Magic too?  It did kind of ruin her life.

 

For both of them, it's been a few years since all the various fiascos in Kirkwall, and hindsight's a powerful drug.  Assuming they're both reasonable people, it's pretty easy to imagine that they've realized that those are ultimately self-destructive paths.

 

Of course, it's also possible to say "Well, I RP-ed my Hawke as really [i]un[i]reasonable!", in which case, if your Hawke is so crazy, then wild swings of opinion probably fit what you've established for yourself anyway.

[congokong]

I knew instantly what the OP was referring to. This is what happens when you lose control of Hawke for one second. Bioware makes them unrecognizable to you.

 

Then yes, Hawke was a blood mage in the past, but has since walked away from that life, and likely encouraged Merrill to do the same.

 

There is some cut dialogue that indicates seeing Orsino's transformation into the Harvester was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for Hawke. 

My Hawke wouldn't have gave a ****. She loved her blood magic.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

Who's to say Merrill didn't renounce Blood Magic too?  It did kind of ruin her life.

 

For both of them, it's been a few years since all the various fiascos in Kirkwall, and hindsight's a powerful drug.  Assuming they're both reasonable people, it's pretty easy to imagine that they've realized that those are ultimately self-destructive paths.

 

Of course, it's also possible to say "Well, I RP-ed my Hawke as really [i]un[i]reasonable!", in which case, if your Hawke is so crazy, then wild swings of opinion probably fit what you've established for yourself anyway.

The devs confirmed that if Merrill was on the friendship path, she's still trying to fix the mirror and still uses blood magic. She only quits blood magic if she was rivaled. So no, Merrill doesn't stop using blood magic if Merrill preserved the mirror.

[thesuperdarkone2]

If the HOF ever reappears, I suspect that they'll be full Warden supporters who love the Grey Wardens and hate anyone who hates Grey Wardens.

[DWA824]

Its pretty funny that Bioware made Hawke hate blood magic when in the trailers for DA2 Hawke was a Blood Mage.

[Kinsz]

Ooor perhaps canon Hawke isnt a blood mage ? you have to keep in mind that there is a big difference between gameplay and lore, i dont remember anything in the lore pointing at Hawke ever being a blood mage.

[JadeDragon]

My hawke followed his fathers foot steps and used blood magic as a extreme last resort(boss fights in my headcanon). Hawke specialization may not be canon but Malcolm hawke did at a point use blood magic so he was a blood mage a powerful one at that considered what he used it for. And he didn't seem like such a bad guy teaching his mage kids to use magic secretly and responsibly. I wish there was a option to say to hawke i heard your father used blood magic just to see a reaction.

[jtav]

What's really funny is if you gave Feynriel to the demon. Granted, my canon Hawke fits BW;s template but the lack of variation makes it really easy to kill Hawke because it's just a bland NPC.

[SirEuain]

I'd be less concerned about this if people didn't lose their crap the second the Inquisitor became a necromancer. I assume the other specializations had consequence, too.

 

I can't imagine it too hard to have accounted for this. The Hero of Ferelden and Hawke being blood mages could easily have led to only slightly different dialogue and lore referring to how they don't like to discuss it and it's not a good idea to press the point. 

[Nefla]

He also forgot how to heal and that he never once wore those champion "robes" (real mage robes ftw! )

 

Plus he automatically says if you sided with the templars in DA2 that it was because too many mages were using blood magic even though DA2 had given you the option to have your motivation be either you hate mages/mages are dangerous, your brother is a templar and you wont stand against him, or to try and restore order because Anders forced your hand.

[Lumix19]

This is what happens when you turn player character in rpg into npc.
 
Told ya no one belived.
 
 

 
You mean like then when demon almost possessed her and she was no match for it and only hawke saved her ass and then went "no i can handle demons im in control despite i proved that im not but im damn merril so i know better" .

Audacity didn't almost possess Merrill, it's just that Keeper Marethari thought it would be a good idea to let the demon possess her because she was afraid it would go through the Eluvian to possess Merrill. Frankly where the hell did Marethari get that idea from? And since when did she become the ultimate authority on demons? The lesson doesn't seem to be so much Merril's pride but Marethari's.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Except the whole mess wouldn't have happened without her insane obsession with a accursed magic mirror, not to mention sooner or later her non-belief in demons would end badly sooner or later.

Saying that she doesn't believe in demons is an oversimplification. She doesn't believe that Pride is more dangerous than Justice, but she does think Anders is a moron for willingly allowing Justice in and isn't surprised by what can happen to Ella. She's aware that Pride might try to force his way into her, but my understanding is that she brings Hawke over with the intention that he/she kill her should that happen.

[SmilesJA]

"Blood magic is bad if you're anyone except for me, because I am a responsible adult! Or Merrill, because she's adorable. But no other exceptions!"

 

Makes sense to me

 

 

Yeah that's a drawback to having a player character becoming an NPC.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Audacity didn't almost possess Merrill, it's just that Keeper Marethari thought it would be a good idea to let the demon possess her because she was afraid it would go through the Eluvian to possess Merrill. Frankly where the hell did Marethari get that idea from? And since when did she become the ultimate authority on demons? The lesson doesn't seem to be so much Merril's pride but Marethari's.

Im not talking about audacity (despite that he played her like fidle) im talking about another pride demon that she fell to and by that proved she can't handle demons and is another foolish mage that don't know what they are doing and ther her actions have consequences

[SgtSteel91]

The devs confirmed that if Merrill was on the friendship path, she's still trying to fix the mirror and still uses blood magic. She only quits blood magic if she was rivaled. So no, Merrill doesn't stop using blood magic if Merrill preserved the mirror.

 

Well they can always go back and say,

 

"Nope, Hawke convinces Merrill Blood Magic is too dangerous and she should try to fix the mirror without it. You know what, forget the mirror, Hawke convinces Merrill she should drop the mirror and Blood Magic and help elves being harassed by the Mage-Templar War."

 

Which is kind of what happened in Inquisition.

[sjsharp2011]

I seen this complaint afew times and I'm just gonna point out the flaw behind it

1. The Keep doesn't register which specializations you chose for Hawke so whether he was or wasn't a blood mage b4 wouldn't change his attitude on it

2. Not everyone made Hawke a blood mage. Also, neither Merrill or Hawke ever actively sacrificed anyone for their own gains

3. Blood magic was responsible for most of the impactful deaths in DA2 particularly his/her mother

Not sure what kinda Hawke some of you may of headcannon but Hawke is no supporter of blood sacrifices

Agreed I didn't choose blood magic as I felt it would be bad if I was going to play as a renegade type character I'd follow that route but for my last run I went with Spirit and Force magic trees as my specializations as I wanted my character to be a healer mage.

[jlb524]

My first Hawke import was a Blood Mage who friendship-romanced Merrill.

Needless to say, that quest was hilarious. I think she was doing the whole 'blood magic is evil!' act so no one would suspect her. Varric was probably knowingly laughing to himself the whole time.

[BabyPuncher]

This is precisely why they took blood magic out of Inquisition, isn't it? To avoid this sort of crap?

 

It should also serve as a lesson as to why having a character's class be a major part of a story is just not a good idea.

[BSpud]

I guess I lucked out because DAI Hawke's characterization wasn't at all inconsistent with my DA2 Hawke (not being a blood mage or a mage at all probably helped).

[ByTheCode]

Does mage Hawke ever use blood magic in DAI?

You can make them a blood mage, so it depends.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You can make them a blood mage, so it depends.

You can't make Hawke a blood mage in the Keep. And that function would need to be there for Hawke's specialization in Inquisition to be dependent on what you did in DA2.

[Sweawm]

Guys, guys, guys! You're forgetting one very important things here that excuses the hypocrisy. 

 

"Of course, It's not REAL BLOOD MAGIC until somebody gets sacrificed." - Hawke

 

Hawke discards you definition of Blood Magic and uses his own!