You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill.
My Hawke was a warrior, but given that she was with Merrill, I was also taken aback by her stance on blood magic.
Of course, there's also the stance that Hawke outing themselves as a blood mage to the leader of the Inquisition wouldn't have been the wisest move, from their perspective.
My Hawke has NEVER used blood magic. (Neither has my Warden.) So,no hypocrisy on her part. Sure, it's only a tool but it's one that's extremely dangerous to use. My Hawke was always a strong enough mage to win the day without it. To her, it always seemed like blood magic was like heroin and cocaine. Very powerful and very addictive. Sometimes it's better to just say "no," so she always did.
You can't make Hawke a blood mage in the Keep. And that function would need to be there for Hawke's specialization in Inquisition to be dependent on what you did in DA2.
Yeah I know, I was just mentioning that they can be a blood mage.
Then yes, Hawke was a blood mage in the past, but has since walked away from that life, and likely encouraged Merrill to do the same.
There is some cut dialogue that indicates seeing Orsino's transformation into the Harvester was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for Hawke.
If it's cut, then I don't think it actually counts. Or at the very least, it shouldn't. Whatever happened to having a story that could stand on its own, without the need for supplimentary materials, the developers explaining things or cut content to bolster the narrative?
Except the whole mess wouldn't have happened without her insane obsession with a accursed magic mirror, not to mention sooner or later her non-belief in demons would end badly sooner or later.
The whole incident wouldn't have transpired if Marethari didn't release Audacity; there is no reason to blame Merrill for the actions committed by an entirely different person.
As for her views on spirits, it's an issue of her cultural and religious views. As her arguments with Anders attest to:
Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.
Merrill: Did I ask you?
Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations. The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.
Merrill: Your "Maker" is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours.
There's no reason Merrill would share the Andrastian religious views on Spirits and Demons as the First Children of the Maker, or those who turned their backs on the Maker in jealousy over humanity. All denizens of the Beyond are spirits to her, and she knows they can all be potentially dangerous.
Apparently there was going to be a cut conversation with Hawke where we asked him why he hated blood magic. Hawke would reply that he saw what blood magic did to his mother and how Orsino became crazy with it or how the Gallows mages went crazy with blood magic which led to Hawke deciding no good could ever come from blood magic which could be used as justification why a blood mage Hawke stopped using blood magic.
Someone should have told Hawke blood magic is not the same as necromancy.
Considering how Hawke essentially freed Cory (unknowingly, mind you) and triggered the events that led to the Mage/Templar War, I don't think they should be deciding what people should or shouldn't do. Especially not when it concerns the Wardens.
btw, I'm saying this purely because I was disappointed with Hawke's portrayal in DA:I. After seeing how Hawke's return was handled, I'm actually glad that the Warden didn't show up at all.
You'd think a blood mage might not complain so much about blood magic. Failing that, he might have a slightly different attitude if he remembered Merill.
I complain about other people in my profession constantly, because a very large percentage of them consistently demonstrate complete and utter idiocy.
(In interest of fairness, I’m sure the reverse is true sometimes too.)
Yeah my lady Hawke who was a blood mage herself AND supported not only Merrill (who was also her lover) and Andres, seemed to have forgotten this as well. She supported mages and as I mentioned was an expert blood mage. yet in DAI she complained about it and said how harmful it was. Very out of character...
I think this mostly comes from Hawke being switched to a NPC. They had to give them some kind of character development and motivation for Inquisition and I think setting up a story to detest blood magic is pretty easy for most story choices in DAII, even the choice to be a blood mage.
The whole incident wouldn't have transpired if Marethari didn't release Audacity; there is no reason to blame Merrill for the actions committed by an entirely different person.
As for her views on spirits, it's an issue of her cultural and religious views. As her arguments with Anders attest to:
Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.
Merrill: Did I ask you?
Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations. The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.
Merrill: Your "Maker" is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours.
There's no reason Merrill would share the Andrastian religious views on Spirits and Demons as the First Children of the Maker, or those who turned their backs on the Maker in jealousy over humanity. All denizens of the Beyond are spirits to her, and she knows they can all be potentially dangerous.
Funny thing is, talking with Solas in Inquisition suggests she's kind of right. She just lacks his judgment in knowing which ones are the dangerous ones.
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None of my mage Hawkes were blood mages, nor did any of my Hawkes (mage or no) support blood magic. They never romanced Merrill, either. They rivaled her. So, hating blood magic made perfect sense to me.
Funny thing is, talking with Solas in Inquisition suggests she's kind of right. She just lacks his judgment in knowing which ones are the dangerous ones.
Well that is poor defense if you have to bring being better than Anders but even that fails as at least anders knew to not deal with demons despite he merged with spirit that wasn't malevolent and manipulative sure dumb idea but at least as i said he refused to deal with demons when merril not and there are obvious differencesbetween two.
Well that is poor defense if you have to bring being better than Anders but even that fails as at least anders knew to not deal with demons despite he merged with spirit that wasn't malevolent and manipulative sure dumb idea but at least as i said he refused to deal with demons when merril not and there are obvious differences between two.
Merrill knew what she was doing what stupid. Anders walked into a mistake with a spirit he thought was benevolent, which Merrill could have told him was going to end the way it did.
Merrill knew what she was doing what stupid. Anders walked into a mistake with a spirit he thought was benevolent, which Merrill could have told him was going to end the way it did.
Yeah merril knew what she was doing:
M-i can handle demons
*faces demon*
M-yeah lets kill hawke and we have a deal
*after*
M-Despite i proved i can't handle demons i still insist i can handle demons and i will deal with demons
Anders was dealing with spirit that was benevolent (was corrupted when merged with anders).
So when Anders as i said merged with spirit (what is at least better than demon) he still refused to deal with demons when merril not .
M-Despite i proved i can't handle demons i still insist i can handle demons and i will deal with demons
Anders was dealing with spirit that was benevolent (was corrupted when merged with anders).
So when Anders as i said merged with spirit (what is at least better than demon) he still refused to deal with demons when merril not .
Oh, right, the thing with Feynriel.
You're actually right for once. Though I will point out that calling Justice better than Pride becomes more and more questionable as the game progresses.
Well that is poor defense if you have to bring being better than Anders but even that fails as at least anders knew to not deal with demons despite he merged with spirit that wasn't malevolent and manipulative sure dumb idea but at least as i said he refused to deal with demons when merril not and there are obvious differences between two.
Aside from "Night Terrors" railroading every single companion (except Anders) into trying to kill Hawke in a matter of seconds, Merrill didn't broker deals with spirits; she simply cautioned Hawke that he could gather intel from spirits if he was careful (which is precisely what Hawke can do with the Profane Abomination and Torpor, where you can get information from them and then attack them afterward).
I also think you're ignoring that the difference between 'Spirits' and 'Demons' is said to be religious in nature, as illustrated by Anders' debate with Merrill on the subject:
Anders: Do Dalish honestly not recognize the difference between demons and beneficial spirits?
Merrill: We've never thought of the Fade as the home of our gods. It is another realm, another people's home. No different or more foreign than, say, Orzammar.
Varric: You can say that again.
Anders: But have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins-
Merrill: Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human. More or less...
Aside from "Night Terrors" railroading every single companion (except Anders) into trying to kill Hawke in a matter of seconds, Merrill didn't broker deals with spirits; she simply cautioned Hawke that he could gather intel from spirits if he was careful (which is precisely what Hawke can do with the Profane Abomination and Torpor, where you can get information from them and then attack them afterward).
I also think you're ignoring that the difference between 'Spirits' and 'Demons' is said to be religious in nature, as illustrated by Anders' debate with Merrill on the subject:
Anders: Do Dalish honestly not recognize the difference between demons and beneficial spirits?
Merrill: We've never thought of the Fade as the home of our gods. It is another realm, another people's home. No different or more foreign than, say, Orzammar.
Varric: You can say that again.
Anders: But have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins-
Merrill: Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human. More or less...
I love how merril apologists bring that everyone turned on hawke despite it not having weight to discussion because in first place other companions weren't mages and never dealt with demon and most important point unlike merril never claimed they can handle demons neither they wanted or were dealing with them in their life unlike merril who was doing that. What makes your argument that every companion turned against hawke thus for some reasons merril is competent and can handle demons wrong becuase despite result with another companions she still failed to deal with demon.
And not rly religious nature pls dude at this point we have obvious differences between spirits and demons where demons are malevolent , manipulative and desire to possess "mortals" spirits aren't pretty much we can compare how demon acted in series to how spirits acted in series...
Oh, right, the thing with Feynriel.
You're actually right for once. Though I will point out that calling Justice better than Pride becomes more and more questionable as the game progresses.
Im always right.
You are talking about da 2 justice not daa justice i guess as i said that was after they merged and well "justice" was more demon than not as he was corrupted by anders.
M-Despite i proved i can't handle demons i still insist i can handle demons and i will deal with demons
The plot railroads everyone but Anders into betraying Hawke in a matter of seconds; I don't share your view that it's reflective of who these people actually are. The railroading is evident in other places, too. Cullen, for example, handwaves Hawke's warning about Anders' plot against the Kirkwall Chantry, even when Anders is standing right next to Hawke at the time he receives the warning.
Are we going to condemn Cullen because the Plot Dictates?
Anders was dealing with spirit that was benevolent (was corrupted when merged with anders).
So when Anders as i said merged with spirit (what is at least better than demon) he still refused to deal with demons when merril not .
As Merrill points out when she chastises Anders, all spirits are dangerous. Valor can attack the apprentice. Justice can be dangerous; it's why he can attack the Warden-Commander at the Dragonbone Wastes. Even Solas admits that spirits can be a threat under certain conditions, which is why his friend turned into a dangerous spirit.
As for the fact that the distinctions are religious, even the codex entries about 'Spirits' and 'Demons' read that the difference is due to a perception that's tied to the Andrastian faith:
"The Maker's first creations were the spirits, glorious beings that populated the many spires of the Golden City, and the Chant of Light says that they revered the Maker with unquestioning devotion."
"As the spirits grew in power, however, some of them became contemptuous of the living. These were the spirits that saw the darkest parts of the dreamers. Their lands were places of torment and horror, and they knew that the living were strongly drawn to places that mirrored those dark parts of themselves. These spirits questioned the Maker's wisdom and proclaimed the living inferior. They learned from the darkness they saw and became the first demons."
David Gaider also commented that there's no WoG that 'Spirits' and 'Demons' are inherently different, either.