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[Dio Demon]

 

Sorry I couldn't resist XD

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

NSA is watching.. well now i just feel flattered.

[The Hierophant]

Im surprised at you guys.

Nothing on the internet is private. Posts, emails you send, things you download, etc. Think of your hard drive as public domain.

You still have privacy, just not on the internet.

Also, do you really expect the governments of the world to not use such a powerful tool to watch people? I am all for it.

Do you work for the La Li Lu Le Lo?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

its pronouced Sue loo pee.

 

oh and sh*t i have like 50 gig of lolicon hentai to dump.

[Dio Demon]

its pronouced Sue loo pee.

 

oh and sh*t i have like 50 gig of lolicon hentai to dump.

Too late. NSA are already browsing it... with lotion... tissues... and lots of drinks to keep the hydrated.

[Dermain]

Well, the simple truth is that a lot of people that have nothing to hide are willing to give up their privacy. Simply because the government says they will keep you safe if you do so. Not realizing that no matter that the government does, they can never keep you safe and you will never be 100% safe. The government not trying to keep you safe, the government is simply trying to find info on you that they can use to control you.

 

Never be worried about the government, be worried about the private corporations.

 

Of course, you're also assuming that the government would be competent enough to control anything... 

[The Love Runner]

Do you work for the La Li Lu Le Lo?

[Cyonan]

It's not at all surprising that an organization dedicated to spying, is spying on us.

 

Since I'm not going to change anything by being upset over it, at the very least I'm not an interesting enough person to the NSA for them to have an actual person going through any data they have on me. It's all just sitting there taking up space on their harddrives now.

[The Devlish Redhead]

Also, do you really expect the governments of the world to not use such a powerful tool to watch people? I am all for it.

 

 

Well transparency and honesty from government is an expectation...... A fantastical fantasy I admit...

 

OK my core question is why would governments need to do this and what kind of future world are we creating with this?

[Cyonan]

Well transparency and honesty from government is an expectation...... A fantastical fantasy I admit...

 

OK my core question is why would governments need to do this and what kind of future world are we creating with this?

 

It's kind of a weird thing, because who is going to police it?

 

These are spy organizations. They aren't going to be transparent about their operations because that defeats the entire purpose of having them in the first place.

 

However, they can provide valuable intel on legitimate threats. In getting that intel, you'd be downright stupid not to use technology to your advantage in a world that is so heavily dependent on technology.

 

Of course since they aren't transparent about their operations and the only people around to ensure they're using it for entirely 'legitimate' purposes is the government, they're free to basically spy on whoever they want to.

[mybudgee]

When exactly did Bio-bot2 become RoboCop??

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Shut down the internet and everything will be fine.

[B.A. Broska]

"The basic human need to be watched was once satisfied by God. Now the same functionality can be replicated with data-mining algorithms." - Morpheus, Deus Ex

[dragonflight288]

Drink the government kool aid? Come now, lets not be juvenile.

If you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Trying times we live in, I am glad the government is keeping up with technology.

What are you hiding red head?

 

Until the point where the government can get you blacklisted because you live a certain lifestyle or are part of a certain group.

 

In the the US we have several examples. In WW2, if you were Japanese you had to go to an internment camp. Not because of anything you did, but because of your nationality. Granted, SOME Japenese immigrants were spyes, but everyone in a certain ethnic group were punished for being what they were. In the 50's it was the Red Scare and being Communist. You could be abiding by all the laws and doing nothing wrong, but get blacklisted, accused, or even suspected, you would lose your job, any career prospects, and so forth.

 

More recently, Louis Lerner and the IRS targeted conservative groups, illegally harassed them and audited them, not because of any crimes they committed but because they supported Mitt Romney as a presidential candidate and not Barak Obama, not because they broke any crimes or had anything to hide, but because or their political viewpoints were being criminalized.

 

Believing in the government being an all caring entity that will look out for us just won't work. There are too many examples of government officials in every country throughout history abusing power. Because people are imperfect things, and can be corrupted by power, and governments are run by people. 

 

And governments, like people, if given power and authority over people, will abuse it. And if it's the government doing it, the people have no way to fight back legally. 

 

It's not a matter of having something to hide, it's a matter of capacity to trust the people in charge. 

[dragonflight288]

They could be more transparent about it. If citizens where to stand up and demand it, government really would have a choice but to give in. Sure things might get ugly before everything is said and done. But that in no way means that it can't be done. It's the entire reason why politics in general is nothing but a massive game of divide and conquer. So long as the people of any country are divided, the government of any country is pretty much given free rein to do anything. I just wish more people would see the truth.

 

Here in the US it's not even that hard to see. All you have to do is simply judge our elected officials by their actions in office. The open nature of our government makes this incredibly easy to do. For example that last budget that was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President, only a few months ago, give Wall Street and the banks the ability to more or less gamble with tax payer backed savings accounts via the stock market. The total amount of these savings accounts is over two hundred trillion dollars. Because these accounts are tax payer backed, any money lost will automatically be given back to the bank or investment firm who lost it via a bailout that will be once again funded by tax payers. If the right or left honestly cared about the people who voted them into office, that budget deal would have never passed congress.  It's also true that after the recent finical crisis the banks and wall street have continued to see a steady stream of tax payer funded bailouts.

 

Umm.....actually there hasn't been ANY budget passed and signed in over six years. We've been using Continuing Resolutions, which is essentially handing the Executive Office a blank check. 

[wolfhowwl]

ITT: terrorist enablers.

[dragonflight288]

Except, the government is paying corporations to spy on us. Or have we all forgot about the leaks from two years ago. Corporations aren't exactly someone I want watching over me, let's face it they will do anything to make a buck.

 

They also have government agencies doing it. 

 

Like the NSA and cell phones and bypassing the phone companies. I once spoke with a tech guy. If you have a cell phone, even if it's turned off, people can hear what you're saying just by it being in proximity to you. 

[dragonflight288]

Mass spying is unethical and annoying that it happens, but I console myself in the reality that such methods are inefficient to the point that the government really doesn't have time for my boring ass and the porn I watch, and if they do, I both don't care and feel rather sorry for them for being so incompetent.

 

It would be a shame if one person's incompetence lead to another person's tragedy. 

 

But I'm really a cynic of pretty much every government so feel free to take any criticism I have with a grain of salt. 

[Cyonan]

They could be more transparent about it. If citizens where to stand up and demand it, government really would have a choice but to give in. Sure things might get ugly before everything is said and done. But that in no way means that it can't be done. It's the entire reason why politics in general is nothing but a massive game of divide and conquer. So long as the people of any country are divided, the government of any country is pretty much given free rein to do anything. I just wish more people would see the truth.

 

Here in the US it's not even that hard to see. All you have to do is simply judge our elected officials by their actions in office. The open nature of our government makes this incredibly easy to do. For example that last budget that was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President, only a few months ago, give Wall Street and the banks the ability to more or less gamble with tax payer backed savings accounts via the stock market. The total amount of these savings accounts is over two hundred trillion dollars. Because these accounts are tax payer backed, any money lost will automatically be given back to the bank or investment firm who lost it via a bailout that will be once again funded by tax payers. If the right or left honestly cared about the people who voted them into office, that budget deal would have never passed congress.  It's also true that after the recent finical crisis the banks and wall street have continued to see a steady stream of tax payer funded bailouts.

 

I should point something out here:

 

I am talking entirely about spy organizations like the NSA, not the government in general.

 

A spy organization with transparency is useless.