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[dragonflight288]

Yeah, I'm well aware. But, I'm more scared of these security companies. There was one spying one the EPA and encouraging female contractors to seduce employees of the EPA and blackmail them. Let's face it, they're not regulated. They will do whatever it takes to get that cash, even if it means breaking the law.

 

It doesn't matter to me who the guilty party is. A huge corporation on a government's payroll where the majority of its employees are completely clueless on what's going on or a government entity that deliberately and maliciously maligns or illegally gathers information on citizens. 

 

Both need a good whooping on the butt. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Umm.....actually there hasn't been ANY budget passed and signed in over six years. We've been using Continuing Resolutions, which is essentially handing the Executive Office a blank check. 

 

lol what an organized economy!

[Cyonan]

They also have government agencies doing it. 

 

Like the NSA and cell phones and bypassing the phone companies. I once spoke with a tech guy. If you have a cell phone, even if it's turned off, people can hear what you're saying just by it being in proximity to you. 

 

If you're that worried about it, pull the battery out.

 

As good as the NSA might be, they can't bypass the laws of physics. An electronic device without power flat out wont work.

 

Of course, if your phone is both active and transmitting(so people can listen) then there should be considerable power drain on the battery even if the phone is off. Having the phone off for a few days should easily still drain ~50% or more of the battery, because it wouldn't legitimately be off.

 

They also might be recording but not having real people listen in. They would need to employ millions of people to listen in on every single US citizen alone.

 

and the implication that they can get that many regular citizens to spy on other citizens and remain quiet about it is far more worrying than them overhearing me calling my girlfriend cute names.

[dragonflight288]

If you're that worried about it, pull the battery out.

 

As good as the NSA might be, they can't bypass the laws of physics. An electronic device without power flat out wont work.

 

Of course, if your phone is both active and transmitting(so people can listen) then there should be considerable power drain on the battery even if the phone is off. Having the phone off for a few days should easily still drain ~50% or more of the battery, because it wouldn't legitimately be off.

 

They also might be recording but not having real people listen in. They would need to employ millions of people to listen in on every single US citizen alone.

 

and the implication that they can get that many regular citizens to spy on other citizens and remain quiet about it is far more worrying than them overhearing me calling my girlfriend cute names.

 

Well yes, but that's not the worrying part.

 

It's the part that the head of the NSA at the time specifically said he wouldn't let them do that, and then they were caught doing it.

 

It's the abuse of power that's worrying. 

[DWard]

Drink the government kool aid? Come now, lets not be juvenile.

If you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Trying times we live in, I am glad the government is keeping up with technology.

What are you hiding red head?

 

This is good. I am glad the government is watching all of us.

Stay honest.

 uh oh! if you are an American Citizen looks like some body needs to go back to school.

 

Read A little thing called the Bill of rights, #4 on that list might really interest you.

[dragonflight288]

Haha, indeed. Its almost like they want our financial system to take a nose dive.

 

Which is why it's no surprise that in the past six years, our national debt has increased more than every president before our current one ever accumulated, combined. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Drink the government kool aid? Come now, lets not be juvenile.

If you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Trying times we live in, I am glad the government is keeping up with technology.

What are you hiding red head?

 

Good advice.

 

Be sure to follow it when the government makes criticizing the government grounds for treason charges.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

See the bright side, now you have cheap oil!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Nothing worthwhile on my HDD for the government to look at.

[Dean_the_Young]

Having nothing to hide does not mean you should be so willing to give up your privacy. 

 

You never had it in the first place.

 

The great lie of the internet is that it was ever truly anonymous or private- you could make it difficult, and for the untrained or inexperienced it may as well have been, but internet privacy has always been more about being lost in the crowd than in the security of the system itself. If you were interesting, truly interesting enough to go through the trouble, privacy on a global network was effectively impossible.

[Dean_the_Young]

NSA is watching.. well now i just feel flattered.

 

Oh, don't let it swell your ego- governments only watch the interesting people. Your stuff is just on tap in case they find you interesting later.

 

The reason the US government is doing this is pretty simple, OWS and Anonymous scare the crap out of the government. They represent one of the few times where the American people have stood up to the government and called them out on their negative behavior. Also both are big enough, they simply can't be ignored. Also, like I said previously it's about control. The more you know about a person the easier it is to manipulate and control them.

 

Hahaha, this was a good laugh. Thanks for starting my morning with a smile.
 

 

As for what kind of future world we are creating. I really can't say. I still think we have not past the point where we can't turn this around, back into the right direction. All I know is that when things like the book 1984 start to become more relevant people should be worried. And when a movie like They Live becomes more relevant people should really be worried.   

 

 

Eh, 1984 was an incompetent security state apparatus. It was on its way to self-destruction regardless, so I'm not sure what the 'relevance' is of it unless you believe Assange's 'we can destroy the conspiracy by making it afraid to share information' spiel.

 

Mass spying is unethical and annoying that it happens, but I console myself in the reality that such methods are inefficient to the point that the government really doesn't have time for my boring ass and the porn I watch, and if they do, I both don't care and feel rather sorry for them for being so incompetent.

 

Not sure if you understand the role or use of mass data collection, but if it makes you feel better to think it's pointless go ahead.

 

I should point something out here:

 

I am talking entirely about spy organizations like the NSA, not the government in general.

 

A spy organization with transparency is useless.

 

Oh, it's quite useful... for everyone else with a spy agency worth the name.

[Dean_the_Young]

Good advice.

 

Be sure to follow it when the government makes criticizing the government grounds for treason charges.

 

Funnily enough, the bigger likelihood of that sort of governmental opinion-policing in the US at least comes from the regulatory authorities, not the security state.

 

The regulatory aparatus is increasingly political and politicized, to the point that we have concrete and demonstratable examples of the targeting of people due to politics, and systemic abuses of supposedly impartial agencies for partisan or ideological priorities. It has the power, increasingly the motivation, and the actual actions of governmental pressure. It also has far, far more opportunity in the day-to-day involvements with people.

 

By contrast, the security state mainly just scares people with its capabilities- but there's precious little people  can point to about the improper use of it against citizens that actually caused harm, and especially not for political dissent. Most people who learn that they have been (unreasonably) spied on only do so well after the fact, not because their lives started taking a turn because of government action against them.

[mousestalker]

Other new topics:

Your vodka could be altering your thoughts......Thanks Russia

Your yogurt could be regulating your digestive system...... Thanks Greece

Your chocolate could be fattening your figure...... Thanks Belgium

Your car could be enlarging your butt...... Thanks Korea

Your tv could be molding your mind....... Thanks Japan

[Dermain]

In fact, two American citizens were killed in drone strikes over seas because at the time they were suspected of supporting terrorist organizations. Later they were cleared of all wrong doing. I don't believe the government is going to start raining down Hell Fire missiles on its citizens but, I do worry about the potential for abuse. Especially when private contractors are hired to spy on American citizens.

 

And what were the names of those two citizens?

[The Devlish Redhead]

Intersting youtube video....... Watch from 28:56 onwards

 

[L. Han]

All that brain power and money being spent could have been used for something more interesting. Like NASA or Deep Sea exploration.

[DEUGH Man]

I have probably given my spy nightmares.