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[thesuperdarkone2]

Upon hearing the endings for the Grey Wardens, it becomes apparent that there is a civil war between the Grey Wardens. The Southern Wardens are apparently focusing on being less secretive and helping people out more often. The exiled Wardens with the warden contact alive ending pretty much says the warden is leading the rebel wardens to reform the Order. Assuming that the Warden Civil War becomes relevant in the next dlc's/games, it is likely that the two sides are Wardens who want the Order to remain as it is with secrets and neutrality while the rebels likely want to reform the Order to be more open and more involved with the people than before. Who would you support if we had to support a faction?

[KaiserShep]

I'd do whatever I could to screw over the secret-y Wardens.

[Just My Moniker]

Super awesome secret ancient order dedicated to fighting evil in the shadows for me please 

[Just My Moniker]

I'd do whatever I could to screw over the secret-y Wardens.

 

[Precursor Meta]

I was thinking that the Architect Is part of the war within the order. Maybe some side with him while others are opposed to working with a Darkspawn. Just a theory though.

[Raiil]

Upon hearing the endings for the Grey Wardens, it becomes apparent that there is a civil war between the Grey Wardens. The Southern Wardens are apparently focusing on being less secretive and helping people out more often. The exiled Wardens with the warden contact alive ending pretty much says the warden is leading the rebel wardens to reform the Order. Assuming that the Warden Civil War becomes relevant in the next dlc's/games, it is likely that the two sides are Wardens who want the Order to remain as it is with secrets and neutrality while the rebels likely want to reform the Order to be more open and more involved with the people than before. Who would you support if we had to support a faction?

 

 

I kind of feel this has been brewing for a while.

 

In Awakenings, there's a codex that speaks to some... uneasiness about Weisshaupt. Specifically, the politicalisation of the Wardens in the Anderfels, who are widely popular and seen as a sort of  éminence grise:

 

The nominal leader of our order is the First Warden, but you can expect little assistance or guidance so far from the Anderfels. Even those close to Weisshaupt learn to suffer alone. The murmurs are true--the First Warden is often embroiled in the politics of the Anderfels and has little opportunity to consider worldly matters. I would like to believe it is a matter of survival, not of political self-interest.

 

Know that your mission is vital. You carry the hopes of our order. If the highest among us holds noble titles outside of the Anderfels, perhaps we will be better situated when the next Blight comes, as we all know it must.

 

--A confidential report for the Warden-Commander

Being the tetchy, jerkface but generally well meaning Warden-Commander that I am, I would vote to rebel and continue backing the Inquisition.

[ShadowLordXII]

It did appear as though the 5th Blight showed how the Grey Wardens needed to innovate their methods or else things would go South quickly with the Next Blight. These methods would of course include things such as recruitment reform, taking an active role in present social and economic affairs and a change in the political neutrality stance.

 

However, it occurred to me that there would be a decent portion of people who would oppose these changes fearing that they would destroy the Order. The First Warden would keep order until something happens to him which leads every Warden Branch to fend for themselves and act according to their own rules. Some Branches may want the Order to be unified under one leadership and this would lead to a Civil War.

 

In fact, I would think that a Civil War would break out during the Mage-Templar War.

 

Some branches would see this as a perfect opportunity for recruiting rogue mages and templars to swell their numbers. Some would use this as an opportunity to flaunt any non-spoken restrictions imposed by the Chantry while they have no power to do anything about it. Some may even decide to take sides in the Conflict and support the Chantry, the Templars or the Mages. Recipe for a Civil War right there.

 

Point is, I'd always figured that a Civil War would happen at some point. The only question was where, when and why.

[Livaine]

It did appear as though the 5th Blight showed how the Grey Wardens needed to innovate their methods or else things would go South quickly with the Next Blight. These methods would of course include things such as recruitment reform, taking an active role in present social and economic affairs and a change in the political neutrality stance.

 

However, it occurred to me that there would be a decent portion of people who would oppose these changes fearing that they would destroy the Order. The First Warden would keep order until something happens to him which leads every Warden Branch to fend for themselves and act according to their own rules. Some Branches may want the Order to be unified under one leadership and this would lead to a Civil War.

 

In fact, I would think that a Civil War would break out during the Mage-Templar War.

 

Some branches would see this as a perfect opportunity for recruiting rogue mages and templars to swell their numbers. Some would use this as an opportunity to flaunt any non-spoken restrictions imposed by the Chantry while they have no power to do anything about it. Some may even decide to take sides in the Conflict and support the Chantry, the Templars or the Mages. Recipe for a Civil War right there.

 

Point is, I'd always figured that a Civil War would happen at some point. The only question was where, when and why.

I think Soldier's Peak was what happens when they get too involved in political affairs.

[Beomer]

I'd support the old order or whoever wants to keep things secretive.

Thing is Wardens work best when out of public eye. The common people of Thedas clearly cannot handle the horrors of a blight or what is often needed to combat it. hell most people would even be against the joining ritual itself seeing how once you're in there's not going back.

What the Wardens do is brutal and sometimes downright horrible but seeing as how they've more or less successfully managed to prevent the five blights from destroying Thedas to this point, I'd say their methods are effective.

Too much openess might lead people to judging them, it might cause people to speak against their methods. And something like that is risky. Specially at a time when ancient magisters seem to be awakening willy nilly.

[Fireheart]

I think it would be really interesting if the HoF came back from their search to find the Order in civil war. I think it'd be likely, considering the Warden is in the west, and looking at the Thedas map, the only way to get west is to go through the Anderfels, so on their way back, they might pass by a group of Wardens fighting in the streets, like the Mages and Templars in the Hinterlands. In Awakening, it was also stated as a rumor that the First Warden had an eye on the Anderfels' throne. So, I think it means he's plotting to overthrow the king. It's also said that the king is quite incompetent anyway and the people look more to the Grey Wardens for leadership. I fantasize about First Warden secretly murdering the king, like poison or something, while the GW civil war is happening, then circumstances lead to First Warden dying, and the title (and king/queen of the Anderfels) being passed to HoF. Unlikely, but hey, I can dream, can't I? I do strongly believe though, that the First Warden will, one way or another, be involved in the death of Anderfels' king, and some of the citizens and maybe even some GW members start to question his motives and intentions, and fear what damage this kind of move might cause the order. Causing the Inquisition to get involved.

Modifié par Fireheart, 19 février 2015 - 08:07 .

[ShadowLordXII]

I think Soldier's Peak was what happens when they get too involved in political affairs.

 

That was 200 years ago in circumstances involving an evil tyrannical king who'd make Joffrey look tame by comparison.

 

Origins can have either the HOF or Alistair become King with the HOF have the additions of becoming a Teryn, a Counselor, or a Bann with them canonically becoming Arl of Amaranthine later on. The First Warden's response? An indirect pat on the back. The people's response? They love you as long as you're not a complete jerk to them or leave them to die.

 

Awakening already outright shows that at least the First Warden is changing his mind somewhat on the whole "political neutrality" angle. However, not everyone would be for this and that could be a big seed for an eventual civil war.

[Captmorgan72]

I think that the HOF will be the key to rebuilding the order. He/she will return with the cure for the Calling and becoming a Warden will no longer be a death sentence. 

[Dieb]

"Great idea, more war." -Loading Screen Door Officer (LSD'oh), Normandy SR-2

 

 

Whatever educated argument I'd come up with, I'd support whichever side the Warden Sibling chooses.

[Urzon]

It would depend on what sort of secrets the northern Wardens are keeping really. Because for an supposed secretive international organization, the Grey Wardens sure have a bad case of "Right Hand not knowing what the Left Hand is doing" and visa versa.

[Big I]

I think that the HOF will be the key to rebuilding the order. He/she will return with the cure for the Calling and becoming a Warden will no longer be a death sentence. 

 

Hard to do that if you import an Ultimate Sacrifice playthrough.

[Augustei]

Upon hearing the endings for the Grey Wardens, it becomes apparent that there is a civil war between the Grey Wardens. The Southern Wardens are apparently focusing on being less secretive and helping people out more often. The exiled Wardens with the warden contact alive ending pretty much says the warden is leading the rebel wardens to reform the Order. Assuming that the Warden Civil War becomes relevant in the next dlc's/games, it is likely that the two sides are Wardens who want the Order to remain as it is with secrets and neutrality while the rebels likely want to reform the Order to be more open and more involved with the people than before. Who would you support if we had to support a faction?

Southern Wardens, Secrecy and Neutrality has done the Wardens much more harm than good imo. They need to at the very least let the heads of state and major generals of each nation know why they are the only ones that can kill Archdemons.

Anyway in a fanfic I've had in my head and am yet to bother writing one of the main reasons my Warden is looking for a cure to the taint is to use it as a tool to bind the wardens to him and ferelden... They'll be our b**ch now! Muahahahaha!

*ahem* anyway, Southern Wardens getting more involved in thedas affairs and being lead by Loghain sounds pretty awesome to me.

[MoonDrummer]

I would support Weissupt, the wardens have saved the world 5 times and only tried to summon a demon army twice, they've got atleast 3 more fuckups to make.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Super awesome secret ancient order dedicated to fighting evil in the shadows for me please 

 same here, I like the mystique  around the wardens, keeping to themselves and doing what they have to in order to save the world, regardless of the means to get there. I always preferred protagonists like that, ones that don't pretend to be saints, but who aren't evil jackheads for it's own sake either, they just do the job and go home.

[Poledo]

Weisshaupt has been mentioned so many times in the series yet outside of some brief scenes in DA:O we really see nothing of it or the Wardens there. I'm thinking we're going to see some badasses show up from Weisshaupt at some point. Then it depends on how the canon goes - but it the HoF is alive as canon - you know he's going to be more badass than ever and who knows he might have recruited and trained.

 

We've seen the wardens knocked down a few notches from the pedestal they were on in DA:O - I think we're going to see them arise better than ever.

[MoonDrummer]

I think we might end up playing as a warden again in the future, the last flight really showed how griffons where crucial to the wardens, and even then they need super griffons to win.

The only reason thedas survives the 5th blight is because it was a baby blight. And because the archedemon just happened to fly past a tower Riordan was on at just the right hight for them to jump on it and tear it's wing.

Or because the Hof is just simply the king of ass kickery.

[Why Yes of Course]

Weisshaupt has been mentioned so many times in the series yet outside of some brief scenes in DA:O we really see nothing of it or the Wardens there. I'm thinking we're going to see some badasses show up from Weisshaupt at some point. Then it depends on how the canon goes - but it the HoF is alive as canon - you know he's going to be more badass than ever and who knows he might have recruited and trained.

 

We've seen the wardens knocked down a few notches from the pedestal they were on in DA:O - I think we're going to see them arise better than ever.

 

I think it is building up to that too, the Inquisitor and Hawke always felt underwhelming to me compared to the HoF - in fact, I spent much of both games looking for signs or references for the Wardens.

 

It seems to me that they have been deliberately knocked down a bit, as you say, to make room in the story for them to be built back up in a future game.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

i do agree that there should be some measure of secrecy as to how the wardens operate to the outside world.  they would see FAR less willing recruits if they knew the details of the joining ritual and the survival rate.  however, my warden would highly oppose holding secrects even within the order (had more been aware of corypeheus, for example, maybe the false calling wouldn't have had them in such a panic or someone other than stroud/alistair/loghain would've realised that something was seriously off) and the notion that wardens must do whatever it takes, even at the cost of honour/integrity. 

[Nimlowyn]

If the rebels supported more open involvement with the people of Thedas, I would support them. After the events of DAI, I agree with Hawke. Although that's how I feel personally, I'd probably play different characters with different opinions.

[Ashagar]

In a shocking twist the first warden will turn out to be a darkspawn magister who had taken control of the warden order and is using them to destroy the old gods for revenge and power.

[Fireheart]

In a shocking twist the first warden will turn out to be a darkspawn magister who had taken control of the warden order and is using them to destroy the old gods for revenge and power.

This actually sounds not impossible. I would love to see this happen.