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[CosmicGnosis]

I haven't read The Masked Empire, so I don't have a nuanced understanding of the characters involved in the Orlesian Civil War. For those who have read the book, who do you think should rule Orlais? I'd prefer that you include Briala, mostly because she seemed to be the most interesting and "good" character involved in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts.

 

During my first playthrough, I actually convinced all three to work together, but I didn't like all the tension in the following cutscene, and decided to experiment a bit. I ultimately chose to reconcile Celene and Briala, and execute Gaspard (I didn't want to execute him, but I couldn't figure out a way to exile him and still have Celene and Briala rule together). I was pleased with the outcome, but what do you readers think? Was this the best outcome? Perhaps Briala should rule through Gaspard instead? I'm very interested in your thoughts.

[fraggle]

I read The Masked Empire, and I'm all for Celene and Briala, or Celene alone. All 3 of them have their flaws, but at least Celene is trying to do something for the elves and keeping the peace between Orlais and Ferelden.

Gaspard in my eyes is a ruthless man and no good would come out of it if he were the ruler.

[Delphine]

Never liked Gaspard the minute I met him. Granted, Celene and Briala have huge huge flaws as well, but I don't know, I just couldn't trust Gaspard even one bit.

On my first playthrough, I had him excecuted, Briala exiled and Celene ruling alone, because I couldn't get Celene+Briala.

On canon playthrough, I got Celene and Briala back together, hoping it'll be a good and smooth move for the elves.

I'd rather have Briala in the open, having a clear status, representing elves, than have her in the shadows playing puppetry. Too easy to hate on the elves when you have Briala in the shadows, conspiracy theories and frustrations are bound to rise too easily that way.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I would say Gaspard with Briala if you chose between that two gaspard will bring down corruption (unless briala will prevent him from doing that) and at the same rate elves will gain more rights it helps briala blackmailed him.

 

Celene and Briala relationship is extremely unstable and even if within it celene already proved that she vaules first her and her power and Briala have no control over her not mention celene on her own is treacherous snake when gaspard at least have code of honor helding him back and some respect to allies.

 

If outside that choices i will go will blackmailing 3 of them and forcing them to work ultimately that ends 

Spoiler

with them fighting with each other . what is fine for me as they will tear apart orlais and my inqusition gains before they will do that

 

 

[Eliastion]

If you want to somewhat improve situation of elves, I'd go with Celene+Briala. It gives Briala hard power - something B+G doesn't and it forces Orlais to at least pretend to some extent that they recognize Briala as their peer, at least as long as she manages to stay alive and in power... and she might not be all that easy to get rid of once she is actually allowed to rule something as a noble. She already has an almost-army and she seems pretty good in not dying, generally speaking... I'm not saying it will be easy or her success is guaranteed. More of the opposite, actually, seeing as it is not the last installment of the game and thngs like Dalish freaking minicountry potentially coming to existance in DA:O epilogue get dropped along the way and nobody references their existance ever. But, that's more of a metagaming thing - from what we learn in the game, C+B has some potential.

Briala+Gaspard on the other hand looks like a deal that is bound to backfire. Gaspard is a puppet through blackmail and blackmail material like that gets old after a couple years. Briala has no hard power - just that coming from the blackmail - so when Gaspard manages to off her (that might take him years but I believe he will make it, since in his situation getting rid of her is his primary goal if he wants to break free and actually rule anything) elves have nothing again. Especially as with all that talk about honor, I can see Gaspard taking vengeance on elves for his humiliation. Elves in the Orlais won't gain anything in the long run and can lose much - that's how I see it. With B+G any good long-term scenario seems extremely implausible.

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I somewhere ranted that the nugs-and-rainbows Divine Leliana ending seemed too good to be true - unless there are some things we're just not told in the slide, like what did she do to the heretics to make the peace talks "miraculously" work. But you know what? Even the most naive interpretation of Divine softened Leliana ending still seems more realistic than "Briala ruled through puppet-emperor Gaspard and it benefited the elves in the long run".

 

Finally, there is the "threesome" ending, that's just a forced truce, definitely not a stable situation. However, it's not necessarily bad - as long as they are forced to work together, they may be actually pretty effective. When they start to break free from your grasp, they have good chances of tearing Orlais apart... But (from elven perspective which you seem to hold dear seeing as you want "Briala in" scenarios) the reforms made during this first period have a good chance to live longer than the triumvirate. Those won't be big changes, but they probably have the least potential to backfire on the elves too, that's what I think at least.

[Delphine]

Spoiler

I somewhere ranted that the nugs-and-rainbows Divine Leliana ending seemed too good to be true - unless there are some things we're just not told in the slide, like what did she do to the heretics to make the peace talks "miraculously" work. But you know what? Even the most naive interpretation of Divine softened Leliana ending still seems more realistic than "Briala ruled through puppet-emperor Gaspard and it benefited the elves in the long run".

 

 

Well, guess I'm the most idealistic of all, because I worked my arse off towards that ending, and was more than happy it even existed, no matter how "nugs-and-rainbows" it may look like. Anything is better than keeping the silly status quo in which a lot are unhappy/oppressed.

[Jaison1986]

I prefer truce for I find everyone equaly at fault in this situation, thus it's not my job to babysit anyone. Future of Orlais be damned.

[Eliastion]

Well, guess I'm the most idealistic of all, because I worked my arse off towards that ending, and was more than happy it even existed, no matter how "nugs-and-rainbows" it may look like. Anything is better than keeping the silly status quo in which a lot are unhappy/oppressed.

And an emperor blackmailed by a terrorist is so gonna change it, right.

[Milana]

I read Masked empire and no way Im reuniting Celene and Briala.So its three together for my mage or Gaspard alone for my warrior.

[Delphine]

And an emperor blackmailed by a terrorist is so gonna change it, right.

I was talking about the Leliana part, not the Duke+Briala one. I'd never go for Duke+Briala, to be honest, I'd much rather have a Celene+Briala anytime.

[TheRatPack55]

Celene snubbed me for almost the entire ball and I didn't much care for the way that elf spoke to me. Gaspard actually asked for my help and was polite and respectful of my accomplishments. So, Gaspard ruling alone for me.

 

Be careful how you treat a spoiled noble brat of an Inquisitor or pay the price.

[Augustei]

Celene and Briala. Gaspard and Briala has Briala completely free reign and recklessly pulling down the system at a far too rapid a rate, it will inevitably end in rebellion and failure and disaster imo. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

My personal preference is the three-way truce or Celene ruling alone.

[Xilizhra]

I'm all for radical change, but Celene with Briala is overall probably safer. And allows one to make up for the crap of TME.

[javeart]

I kind of ended up hating Celene after reading TME. So, my canon is Gaspar and Briala

[Wulfram]

Celene and Briala is probably the best outcome, but I find putting Celene and Briala back together a bit creepy. If they just allied together I'd be happier.

(Masked Empire spoilers)

Spoiler

I mean Celene killed Briala's parents. And had a bunch of elves massacred because it was politically expedient

As well as creepy, if you're looking to improve things for the elves, then such a profoundly messed up relationship as Celene/Briala seems a risky basis for things.

Though the first issue mentioned in spoilers isn't something the inquisitor could know.

[fraggle]

Celene and Briala is probably the best outcome, but I find putting Celene and Briala back together a bit creepy.

 

I have no problem with them being back together, given that Briala wants that and has forgiven Celene for everything she did to her.

[rda]

I like Celene/Briala better from an elven perspective, because Celene seems to usher in more moderate reforms that can be sustainable in the long run, whereas Briala with Gaspard seems to be too much, too quick, and I think it will lead to a revolt that will turn back most all of the reforms.

[Beliar86]

Not mentioned in game but in the books, is that gaspard is pro mage and celene is anti-mage, briala is assuming pro mage because her mentor is a dalish mage.  A dalish mage that seems to be one of the elven gods and killed by solas, probably how he entered the physical world again.

[Barquiel]

I don't think Celene is anti-mage. I mean, she hired Morrigan as her arcane advisor to satisfy her „life-long curiosity about magic„

Anyway, Celene/Briala for me. I was very pleased with the outcome (especially Briala being raised to noble status)...and playing as an elven inquisitor I simply didn't trust Gaspard to keep his word. He is a racist who has already broke his oath of loyalty to Celene for no good reason. So what would he care about an oath made to an elf whom he thinks are below humans in the first place?

[Patchwork]

I don't like any of them but Celene + Briala seems like the choice to have change without a lot of bloodshed. Not that I think they'll stay together. 

 

Blackmailing Gaspard won't work in the long run, he'll find a way remove Briala and the Inquisitions relations with Orlais will be in the toilet. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I love how people think that gaspard is untrustworthy one despite it is otherwise gaspard have code of honor and respects alliance when celene pretty much don't have any standards to the point that even her lover couldn't trust her and didn't.

[TheJediSaint]

I like forcing all three to work together, myself.  Those people deserve each other.

[Delphine]

I love how people think that gaspard is untrustworthy one despite it is otherwise gaspard have code of honor and respects alliance when celene pretty much don't have any standards to the point that even her lover couldn't trust her and didn't.

 

I don't think anybody's naive towards the true nature of any of them. At this point, it's more a game of "what lesser evil you would rather see on the throne", rather than actually find someone really trustworthy and game-changing.

Much like politics in real life, I suppose.

[javeart]

I don't see the need to trust in someone you're blackmailing. Briala only needs to be smarter than he, and I think she is