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[Mikka-chan]

I can't put Celene and Briala together, after reading the book.  There is so much creepy unhealthiness in that relationship.  If they chose just to work together, I'd be okay with that- but it seems like you respark their romance.  I'm not Briala's biggest fan (in honestly, I think all three of them, while interesting characters, are fairly horrible people), but purposely putting someone back in a relationship that's abusive is not something I myself can bring myself to do, even if some of my Inquisitors would be okay with it (I mean, it works, right?  WOO POWER).

 

Making all three of them work together then telling them they work for me now usually works for me and my more dark hearted inquisitors: it leaves the country unstable (which could be a problem with Tevinter later) and dependent on the Inquisition, but that's more power for me, right?

 

If I'm playing an elf or wanting to help them for some reason, I back Briala behind Gaspard.  Less creepy relationship, and the one who wanted Briala in power- Leianna- approves more of this then of you putting Celene and Briala back together, which makes me think despite no official title, Briala has more power this way.

 

I used to often just save Celene, but Celene has a habit of turning against the Inquisiton if ruling alone and you get rid of all other threats to her power (IE, Gaspard and Briala).  While Gaspard is happy to invade Ferelden unless you have Josie diplomat some things, he'll at least stay allied with the Inquisition, which makes me like him a bit more then Celene.

[congokong]

I can't put Celene and Briala together, after reading the book.  There is so much creepy unhealthiness in that relationship.  If they chose just to work together, I'd be okay with that- but it seems like you respark their romance.  I'm not Briala's biggest fan (in honestly, I think all three of them, while interesting characters, are fairly horrible people), but purposely putting someone back in a relationship that's abusive is not something I myself can bring myself to do, even if some of my Inquisitors would be okay with it (I mean, it works, right?  WOO POWER).

 

A question for you and anyone else really: When you follow the path of having Celene rule alone do you incriminate Briala for killing negotiators and such? I remember being stumped on what to do with her there; partially because I was confused by all the Orlaisian politics.

[thesuperdarkone2]

A question for you and anyone else really: When you follow the path of having Celene rule alone do you incriminate Briala for killing negotiators and such? I remember being stumped on what to do with her there; partially because I was confused by all the Orlaisian politics.

If you tell let her execute Gaspard without choosing the option to support Briala, you can implicate Briala as Gaspard's accomplice which results in her execution. Otherwise, Briala is exiled

[congokong]

If you tell let her execute Gaspard without choosing the option to support Briala, you can implicate Briala as Gaspard's accomplice which results in her execution. Otherwise, Briala is exiled

I know how to do it. I'm asking if people do it, and do they feel it's justified?

[Mikka-chan]

Mmm.  If you want Celene in power, it's the smart thing to do.  Both Gaspard and Briala were trying to take away Celene's power and destroy her rule, even if they went about it different ways.  If I want a strong Orlais, I execute them both.  I believe it goes on that they continue to act against her in the shadows if left alive.

 

...On the other hand, without a threat in the background- be it her cousin or her ex- what cause does Celene have to stick with the Inquisition?  All her problems are taken care of, after all.  So if you're more like 'What will it get me?', I'd recommend leaving one of them alive to cause some trouble and make Celene remember where her allies lie.

[Roxy]

I go with just Celene. Her and Briala's relationship is very toxic and I don't like it. Also it seems Briala wants to help her people but in a very bad way so I don't support her at all even though I want to help the elves,Briala's way is not a good one...to me. Gaspard...now in rl I am married to a Veteran and I support my Countries troops...but in the game Gaspard takes it too far..and it seems he wants to fight Fereldan to get it back...heck all he wants to do is Fight a war which I don't agree too so like I said I pick Celene cause even though she has flaws herself she is the lesser of two evils...or should I say three evils lol.  

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard may his rule be long and his line last a thousand years.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Gaspard as the sole ruler. 

 

Long may he reign, and may he serve as the Inquisition's puppet forever. 

[Eliastion]

Gaspard as the sole ruler. 

 

Long may he reign, and may he serve as the Inquisition's puppet forever. 

You know that you've chosen the one least likely to remain a good puppet in the long run, you know that?  

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

You know that you've chosen the one least likely to remain a good puppet in the long run, you know that?

On the contrary. I believe I chose the right person to be the Inquisition's puppet as Celene is both treacherous and incompetence, and Briala is no better on treacherous part, she'll likely end up using the Inquisition for her own agenda. On the other hand, if Gaspard is planning to betray me. I can expect to see a dagger in the front not from behind. Of course, I wouldn't underestimate him, but the man is most honest out of all three.

[DuskWanderer]

OP: Briala is not nearly as good as she presents herself. When it comes down to it, she's actually worse than Celene or Gaspard, because lacks the ability to properly manage the country (which is why she rules through Gaspard). Unlike Celene or Gaspard, Briala actually tries to kill innocent people while in Halamshiral (the messengers that actually were brokering the peace, and the elven servant who knew Celene and Briala were boinking)

 

Personally, the most hilarious consequence is making them work together, since it's nothing less than they deserve. But honestly, the best way is to kill Celene and Briala, then make peace with Ferelden via the War Table. 

[Master Warder Z_]

On the contrary. I believe I chose the right person to be the Inquisition's puppet as Celene is both treacherous and incompetence, and Briala is no better on treacherous part, she'll likely end up using the Inquisition for her own agenda. On the other hand, if Gaspard is planning to betray me. I can expect to see a dagger in the front not from behind. Of course, I wouldn't underestimate him, but the man is most honest out of all three.

If Gaspard marches against the Inquisition then it will be as a military action.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

If Gaspard marches against the Inquisition then it will be as a military action.

Indeed, and you can expect him to take action directly against the Inquisition, and not some grand game bullshit that will end up as assassination of the Inquisitor or the Inquisitor being humiliated in front of the entire Orlesian court.

[CosmicGnosis]

Some good points have been made about the toxicity of the Celene-Briala relationship. I'm starting to wonder if I should just make all three of them cooperate with each other. It might make Orlais less stable, but if all three are puppets of the Inquisition...

[BabyPuncher]

Some good points have been made about the toxicity of the Celene-Briala relationship.

 

That's a bit of a silly term to use. Obviously, their relationship is 'toxic.' They're rivals. What do you expect?

[Fredward]

Slightly off topic but I like how people just totally seem to dismiss Divine Leliana. Like 'nope, they made it up. Totally didn't happen.'

 

Anyway if it's an elf I'm playing I set up Briala as the puppeteer. Yes, it only gives her a few years but she has eluvians at her disposal which gives her access to the most nimble spy-network and, if need be, the most elusive assassins. Elven rights are forwarded in a big way and that's the kind of milk you can't put back especially with Darth Victoria. Plus, at least in the eyes of the nobility and the common folk, she has the backing of the elven Inquisitor.

 

If I'm not playing an elf I play cupid. Briala and Celene seem to have a volatile relationship but... eh. They could be a serious power couple if they could work through some of it. And I don't think Celene was lying about changing the lot of elves, she just priortized basically everything before that. BUT if Darth Victoria starts these changes they might get a slight bump up her to-do list. Plus it's the most stable. Plus awwww love story. Plus Celene sounds like she ushers in a cultural renaissance and that's always nice.

[Master Warder Z_]

Slightly off topic but I like how people just totally seem to dismiss Divine Leliana. Like 'nope, they made it up.

Because they did.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana ending is only abomnation in dai and only one that shouldn't exist in this game.

[BabyPuncher]

I'm not the most familiar with the backstory of Orlais, but I have a hard time seeing how trying to put Briala in charge of anything would 'realistically' be anything but a completely ridiculous idea.

 

The whole point of the thing is to have a stable leader on the throne. Not only does Briala have no hereditary claim to the throne, she's considered a second class citizen by the general public. And people are going to roll over and accept her rule as the leader of the most powerful human nation in Thedas? 

[Fredward]

Because they did.

 

They also made the game up and so...

 

Leliana ending is only abomnation in dai and only one that shouldn't exist in this game.

 

But it does.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

But it does.

Same as air control both should be fixed by devs.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 *I did not read TME.

 

I prefer Celene's platform to Gaspard's, and also think the elves should get theirs, so I see reconciling them as my personal preferance.

 

That said, my canon Inquisitor is a Qunari that quickly tired of playing The Game, so he let Celene die and then supported Briala to give it a big middle-finger.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard marrying Celene should have been a option