184 réponses à ce sujet

[CosmicGnosis]

So my preferred outcomes are Celene+Briala, Gaspard+Briala, and blackmailing all three. And I'm very conflicted over which one is my favorite. It's interesting that the "cooperation" choice isn't necessarily the best. It seems to be an example of the Game played at its best, but it leads to an unstable Orlais.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

As Varric says

 

So Varric must think there is nothing great in the Inquisitor.

 

That makes two of us.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So my preferred outcomes are Celene+Briala, Gaspard+Briala, and blackmailing all three. And I'm very conflicted over which one is my favorite. It's interesting that the "cooperation" choice isn't necessarily the best. It seems to be an example of the Game played at its best, but it leads to an unstable Orlais.

Well you blackmailed them into working together and never actually got them to get over their individual problems. It makes sense that they go back to fighting once the threat is gone. Also, when it comes to Celene vs Gaspard with Briala, consider this:

 

If you prefer radical reform now choose Briala

If you prefer gradual reforms choose Celene

[CosmicGnosis]

Perhaps the Inquisitor can expose all three of them just before another war breaks out, shaming them out of their respective stations, and if you have high appoval, Orlais chooses the Inquisitor as the new emperor! That would be kind of cool. 

 

If you prefer radical reform now choose Briala

If you prefer gradual reforms choose Celene

Interesting point. Leliana definitely seems to be the advocate for radical change in Inquisition.

[CosmicGnosis]

Just realized that the Celene-Briala outcome is the only one that gives you a chance, through the War Table, to get another Amulet of Power for the Inquisitor. A subtle suggestion that this is the way to go?

[Eliastion]

Perhaps the Inquisitor can expose all three of them just before another war breaks out, shaming them out of their respective stations, and if you have high appoval, Orlais chooses the Inquisitor as the new emperor! That would be kind of cool. (...)

Or it leads Orlais to complete chaos and infighting like never before, finally leading to Orlais being divided between Nevarra, Ferelden, Chantry (Val Lumière, formerly known as Val Royeaux) and Inquisition (Holy Lands of the Inquisition)!

Well. That doesn't really sound that bad, bring it on  

[Master Warder Z_]

Fereldan invading Orlais? Maker that's a funny jest.

They can barely rule themselves.

And Nevarra is a wise opponent; if things were more opportune perhaps they'd invade but as it sits? They have trouble on the horizon and could ill afford a invasion falling apart due internal strife.

Ultimately Orlais will continue as it has for a thousand years and as it will for another thousand.

[Eliastion]

Fereldan invading Orlais? Maker that's a funny jest.

They can barely rule themselves.

You do know that people of today's Ferelden once conquered the entirety of today's Orlais and more? It had something to do with that girl, what was her name... Ah, yeah, Andraste

And Nevarra is a wise opponent; if things were more opportune perhaps they'd invade but as it sits? They have trouble on the horizon and could ill afford a invasion falling apart due internal strife.

Ultimately Orlais will continue as it has for a thousand years and as it will for another thousand.

After Celene, Gaspard and Briala are forced to work together THEN assassinated with Inquisitor trying to take over? They'd rip their own throats out in civil war and their neighbors would just talk things through with Chantry and split Orlais between everyone interested, with potential exception of Tevinter that has too much problems in the north. There wouldn't even be any incasion needed, it would be picking up pieces

[SerBlacky]

Celene likes to think she has stayed in power for so long because of her mastery of the Game but if the book is anything to go by then it is Briala's work as spymaster that is the true reason.   Hence everything falling apart when she doesn't have Briala around.

Except Briala wasn't around during the first (five according to TME) years of her reign.

[Boost32]

So my preferred outcomes are Celene+Briala, Gaspard+Briala, and blackmailing all three. And I'm very conflicted over which one is my favorite. It's interesting that the "cooperation" choice isn't necessarily the best. It seems to be an example of the Game played at its best, but it leads to an unstable Orlais.

Ofc the truce is the best, yCelenes depende on you to keep the throne, Gaspard and Briala cant do anything against you, you become the true ruler of Orlais.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mmm Orlais has a line of secession.

Even after the two front runners are killed.

Somehow i think it wouldn't be divided.

Also this is the strongest military power in the south, invasion would be needed.

[Heimdall]

Mmm Orlais has a line of secession.

Even after the two front runners are killed.

Somehow i think it wouldn't be divided.

Also this is the strongest military power in the south, invasion would be needed.

Orlais had a line of succession when Celene took the throne. It still required a great deal of political maneuvering and could easily have broken out into civil war. Without obvious heirs, it's unlikely that a succession would go as smoothly as you suggest.

[Yermogi]

Briala and Celene. They're thr best option, I think.

[MrNose]

I love how people think that gaspard is untrustworthy one despite it is otherwise gaspard have code of honor and respects alliance when celene pretty much don't have any standards to the point that even her lover couldn't trust her and didn't.

 

The honour of the chevalier includes the ritual slaughter of elves as an initiation practice. It's not real honour. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Orlais had a line of succession when Celene took the throne. It still required a great deal of political maneuvering and could easily have broken out into civil war. Without obvious heirs, it's unlikely that a succession would go as smoothly as you suggest.

After Drakon's line ended there was no civil war.

The council of heralds appointed a new ruler and another dynasty took over, business as usual.

The Valmonts are only the latest dynasty in a Empire that has stood nine hundred years.

[Boost32]

After Drakon's line ended there was no civil war.
The council of heralds appointed a new ruler and another dynasty took over, business as usual.
The Valmonts are only the latest dynasty in a Empire that has stood nine hundred years.

But if you put Gaspard in the throne, wouldnt the De Chalons family be the new dynasty?

And werent the Valmonts appointed because they defeated the last Drakon emperor in a civil war?

[Master Warder Z_]

But if you put Gaspard in the throne, wouldnt the De Chalons family be the new dynasty?

And werent the Valmonts appointed because they defeated the last Drakon emperor in a civil war?

Pfft it's not really documented but I'd say it was less a war then a coup.

Its timeline isn't established but considering it coincided with the end of the blight and the next year you have a new dynasty it wasn't much of a internal struggle.

Also note the current emperor was decried a usurper because his connection to the house of Drakon was very muddled.

So you could say that line had already ended anyway.

[Eliastion]

(...)
Also this is the strongest military power in the south, invasion would be needed.

Some estimates supposedly held Nevarra to rival Orlais' military might even before that whole civil war business. After all, if Orlais really was superior in power, wouldn't they re-take Prenedale that remains Nevarran for the last 60 years? I get it that they could lose this land because of their simultaneous problems in Ferelden, but shouldn't the "strongest military in the South" manage to take back what's theirs during those couple decades? Especially since Nevarra waged a war or two during this time?

Orlais basically hasn't won a war for the last half a century - they got kicked out of Ferelden, they lost Prenedale to Nevarra, they pretty much got saved by Inquisition from Corypheus.

They seem to be losing their territory bit by bit - they lost Kirkwall at beginning of the Blessed age, admittedly conquered  (thanks to some traitors, apparently) but then lost again Ferelden - and, as I said, they lost Prenedale and try to "sow dissent among populace" rather than take any military action to re-take it. And when Free of the Dales hand-in-hand with Venatori started taking control over southern Dales, it was the Inquisition that kickd their butts while the glorious Orlesian military couldn't really re-capture their own goddamn fortifications overtaken by undead.

Oh, the strongest military power of the South, we bow to your might  

[Master Warder Z_]

You really aren't telling me anything I don't already know.

As for the Perendale issue blame the successor of Florian she turned Gaspard down on that.

[RinuCZ]

I chose Celeste/Gaspard/Briala.

 

All of them are not good persons but they could keep each other in check. Celeste can keep cultural expansion on track, Briala can help elves (and epilogue hinted she actually does) and Gaspard can satisfy his need to deal with army stuff by overlooking military.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I chose Celeste/Gaspard/Briala.

 

All of them are not good persons but they could keep each other in check. Celeste can keep cultural expansion on track, Briala can help elves (and epilogue hinted she actually does) and Gaspard can satisfy his need to deal with army stuff by overlooking military.

Except that isn't what happens. Once Corypheus is defeated, they go back to trying to kill each other. All the truce does is temporarily halt the CW, not end it.

[Boost32]

Except that isn't what happens. Once Corypheus is defeated, they go back to trying to kill each other. All the truce does is temporarily halt the CW, not end it.

There is no CW, Gaspard start plotting agains Celene and Briala lead a elf uprising, but none of them actually do something against Celene, because she is backed by the Inquisition.

[RinuCZ]

There is no CW, Gaspard start plotting agains Celene and Briala lead a elf uprising, but none of them actually do something against Celene, because she is backed by the Inquisition.

Exactly. CW ends, Briala leads uprising and Gaspard and Celene spend time scheming as any player of Game does. "War in the shadows" is a figurative term.

 

Briala/Celene sounds nice however this scenario doesn't look like it brings something new to the table for elves. Status quo (=slaves) remains.

[DuskWanderer]

The honour of the chevalier includes the ritual slaughter of elves as an initiation practice. It's not real honour. 

 

Where is this said? I've never heard this. The only bad things I heard about the chevaliers is that they take "The Lord's Privilege", which is heinous, but not a ritual slaughter of elves.

[Master Warder Z_]

Where is this said? I've never heard this. The only bad things I heard about the chevaliers is that they take "The Lord's Privilege", which is heinous, but not a ritual slaughter of elves.

Oh they kill elven criminals during their initiation.

Some take issue with it.