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[Treacherous J Slither]

Are the asari the master race? They seem innately superior to all the other races. How are they not running everything?

[Vazgen]

Krogan are the master race. Fast health regeneration, extraordinary birth rate, lives as long as asari (if not longer)

[Treacherous J Slither]

Krogan are the master race. Fast health regeneration, extraordinary birth rate, lives as long as asari (if not longer)

Krogan behavior however is short sighted and self destructive. Quite unlike the superior asari.

Also, the asari can breed with any race and only make more asari. The krogan can't make such a claim. No other race can. If the asari wanted to they could actually breed all the other races into extinction.

One more thing. All asari have superpowers. Every single one of them.

[Laughing_Man]

No such a thing as an ME master race. The Yahg may be close to it.

[WildOrchid]

As much as I love asari, there's no master race. Though asari are more a peaceful, diplomatic race. They own their "success" to the protheans by hiding that beacon, thanks to some shady matriarchs.

 

 

 

(Though, i'm sure each race would keep that secret to themselves if that'd mean success in their own race. Everyone is selfish. Can't really blame them.)

[Treacherous J Slither]

As much as I love asari, there's no master race. Though asari are more a peaceful, diplomatic race. They own their "success" to the protheans by hiding that beacon, thanks to some shady matriarchs.



(Though, i'm sure each race would keep that secret to themselves if that'd mean success in their own race. Everyone is selfish. Can't really blame them.)

The asari can thank the protheans for the jumpstart in technology but their cultural, diplomatic, and economic superiority they owe to themselves.

[Treacherous J Slither]

No such a thing as an ME master race. The Yahg may be close to it.

Oh? How so exactly?

[Dunmer of Redoran]

The Asari have a lot of things that put them at a disadvantage. They breed slowly, they're arrogant, their large-scale military prowess is awful, and they learn slowly and aren't ambitious.

 

Those last two points are the most important. They're culturally complacent--the Prothean Beacon they have was theirs alone, and while they got a massive technological head start, their technological stagnation shows just how awful they are at pressing the advantage.

 

Pretty much the only person who subverts what the Asari can do is Liara, but that's because she's an enormous Mary-Sue, which is neither here nor there.

[WildOrchid]

their large-scale military prowess is awful

 

Not exactly. If you read the planet descriptions in their galaxy, they were fighting the reapers pretty well with their own tactics. They were doing anything they could do but obviously no race can beat a reaper alone, without the help of others and they were fighting alone. They might not be fit for frontlines but they're good fighters.

 

Though Thessia was a failure thanks to those (again) matriarchs (and writers because holy hell that was awful writing) who didn't bother to prepare them for war, they apparently thought that no bothering the reapers would save them from war.

 

Don't blame the asari, blame their "politicians" or matriarchs or whoever orders them. They have great potential in a lot of things but sadly...

Hopefully in next game, they'll be much better than they were - learning from their mistakes and such.

[Laughing_Man]

Oh? How so exactly?

 

Well, physically, a Yahg specimen in prime condition can eat a Krogan for a snack. Probably literally.

 

Mentally, they are compared to Salarians. This essentially means that unless something major changes, the Yahg are going to be the next great galactic adversary,

not just because of their prowess, but also because of their mentality and aggressive nature which seems to put the Krogan to shame.

 

The only thing that might stop them is if they have low birth rates, but I doubt that. Genophage 2.0 is probably bubbling in a lab somewhere already...

 

Pretty much the only person who subverts what the Asari can do is Liara, but that's because she's an enormous Mary-Sue, which is neither here nor there.

 

It's okay to say: "I don't like character X."

 

"Mary-Sue" is meaningless. Think carefully about the other female characters of Mass Effect, many of them are no less "Mary-Sue".

(We also have some "Gary Stu" characters if you insist)

 

The only reason Liara is called that, is because people that didn't like her (or rather, liked another character more), are not happy with the fact that she has an important role in the plot of the series.

[Laughing_Man]

Not exactly. If you read the planet descriptions in their galaxy, they were fighting the reapers pretty well with their own tactics. They were doing anything they could do but obviously no race can beat a reaper alone, without the help of others and they were fighting alone. They might not be fit for frontlines but they're good fighters.

 

Though Thessia was a failure thanks to those (again) matriarchs (and writers because holy hell that was awful writing) who didn't bother to prepare them for war, they apparently thought that no bothering the reapers would save them from war.

 

Don't blame the asari, blame their "politicians" or matriarchs or whoever orders them. They have great potential in a lot of things but sadly...

Hopefully in next game, they'll be much better than they were - learning from their mistakes and such.

 

I think I have to agree. The reason for forcing artificial flaws is probably to create some kind of "balance" between the races, so everyone can have their own niche. (unfortunately it was poorly done IMO)

[WildOrchid]

I wonder if next game will have Yahg. Would love to see more of them.

[AresKeith]

That's an odd way to spell human OP

[themikefest]

 

The only reason Liara is called that, is because people that didn't like her (or rather, liked another character more), are not happy with the fact that she has an important role in the plot of the series.

Really? Is that the only reason why people don't like the character?

[Dunmer of Redoran]

It's okay to say: "I don't like character X."

 

"Mary-Sue" is meaningless. Think carefully about the other female characters of Mass Effect, many of them are no less "Mary-Sue".

(We also have some "Gary Stu" characters if you insist)

 

The only reason Liara is called that, is because people that didn't like her (or rather, liked another character more), are not happy with the fact that she has an important role in the plot of the series.

Pro tip: don't put words in other people's mouths. It's impolite and is often incorrect.

 

I don't actually dislike her. But she is a badly written character. How does she go from a warm and naïve archaeologist to the quick-thinking, cold-hearted iron-fisted leader of the most powerful spy ring in the entire galaxy in the span of less than 3 years? That makes no sense. The greatest flaws of the asari as a species are their stubbornness and inability to quickly adapt to new situations. They are NOT blue humans, but for all intents and purposes, Liara is. That's the issue. She's the exception to the rules that the other Asari have to abide by. Her character completely transformed in an incredibly short span of time. Most humans irl don't change their personalities that quickly, and compared to alien races, especially the asari, humans are the ambitious and unpredictable wildcard people.

 

The Asari can fight quite well in thousands of isolated small battles, but they don't have the kind of tactical development to fight massive battles like the turians can (the turians, for example, not losing Palaven, partly because of the comprehensive defense of the planet). That's definitely a flaw in and of itself.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The Asari have a lot of things that put them at a disadvantage. They breed slowly, they're arrogant, their large-scale military prowess is awful, and they learn slowly and aren't ambitious.

Those last two points are the most important. They're culturally complacent--the Prothean Beacon they have was theirs alone, and while they got a massive technological head start, their technological stagnation shows just how awful they are at pressing the advantage.

Pretty much the only person who subverts what the Asari can do is Liara, but that's because she's an enormous Mary-Sue, which is neither here nor there.

Humans breed at a faster rate because we have shorter lives but a we also have a much smaller fertility window. Asari can spit out kids for centuries.

Every race has displayed arrogance.

Where does it say that the asari learn slowly? Their maturity takes longer but not their ability to learn something.

Them not being on the same level as the other races militarily makes no sense to me. What would be the reason for it?

What lack of ambition do you speak of? They possess most of the cultural and economic power in the galaxy. That kind of thing doesn't happen to people that just sit around on their butts all day.

In my opinion the only reason why the asari aren't ruling the galaxy is because the writers want us humans to look good and not be overshadowed by their inherent superiority.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Humans breed at a faster rate because we have shorter lives but a we also have a much smaller fertility window. Asari can spit out kids for centuries.

Every race has displayed arrogance.

Where does it say that the asari learn slowly? Their maturity takes longer but not their ability to learn something.

Them not being on the same level as the other races militarily makes no sense to me. What would be the reason for it?

What lack of ambition do you speak of? They possess most of the cultural and economic power in the galaxy. That kind of thing doesn't happen to people that just sit around on their butts all day.

In my opinion the only reason why the asari aren't ruling the galaxy is because the writers want us humans to look good and not be overshadowed by their inherent superiority.

 

It's mostly implied, not explicit. Birthrate, for example, is evidenced by their population not being larger and having a greater spread despite their medical technology being as advanced as it is. The Asari have a low death rate, but also don't have a staggering population. Only a low birthrate could explain this.

 

Their slow learning and lack of ambition are illustrated by humans, by comparison being described as quick learners who aggressively push to achieve and take everything that can be taken. If these traits make humans stand out, then it is fair to deduce that other species are not so strongly imbued with these qualities. Also of note is the Asari having a Prothean beacon which should put them much further ahead of other races in terms of technological achievements, but many of the great specific innovations (stealth ships, high-powered weapons, medical tech, banking systems) are developments made by the other Citadel races. The asari overwhelmingly favor the liberal arts, rather than technological engineering. In a story where technological engineering is constantly treated as what leads to accomplishment, the Asari aren't on par in this respect with the other races.

[ZerebusPrime]

The more I think about Asari, and then after dragging my mind back out of the gutter, the more I think they were engineered to be difficult for the Reapers to extinguish.  With the ability to randomize their DNA using other life forms, a single young Asari could escape to virtually any reasonably advanced-life-bearing world (re: with qualified mammals/reptiles/etc) and start repopulating her entire species.  And let's face it: there are Asari everywhere.

[dgcatanisiri]

The more I think about Asari, and then after dragging my mind back out of the gutter, the more I think they were engineered to be difficult for the Reapers to extinguish.  With the ability to randomize their DNA using other life forms, a single young Asari could escape to virtually any reasonably advanced-life-bearing world (re: with qualified mammals/reptiles/etc) and start repopulating her entire species.  And let's face it: there are Asari everywhere.

 

The protheans WERE molding the asari for quite some time, expecting them to lead this cycle. It makes a lot of sense, actually, that they would have tried to stack the deck in their favor. I mean, they left an active beacon on Thessia, instead of more general information archives like on Mars.

 

I think it makes a lot of sense to think that the asari were at least intended by the protheans to have been some kind of 'master' race, but they wound up branching off into a direction the protheans had never expected. Instead of following the prothean approach of imperialism and dominanting 'lesser' races, they ended up turning their skills towards diplomacy and, when necessary, subterfuge. Instead of ruling through superior power, the asari are almost more of 'the power behind the throne.'

[ZerebusPrime]

Certainly true.  The only addition I was trying to make was that the Asari seem quite capable of surviving Reaper cycles.  So even if the Reapers win, even if they come back early because their vanguard finds Asari popping up on the Citadel not a decade after the Reapers reset the cycle, the Asari stand a good chance of being able to outlast eventually overcome the Reapers.

 

They're like cockroaches.  Blue, beautiful, biotic cockroaches.  Who can entrance and recruit entire species and cultures to fight on their behalf.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Turians were losing Palaven with Krogan help. 80% casualty rate in battles. You can't keep that up for long.

 

Thessia was decimated, but some of the Asari worlds had their infrastructure survive quite well. As long as there is one Asari alive the species will not go extinct. And they know how not to overpopulate a world.

[Undead Han]

The Asari have a lot of things that put them at a disadvantage. They breed slowly, they're arrogant, their large-scale military prowess is awful, and they learn slowly and aren't ambitious.

 

 

Actually of all the factions the Asari have the second best military record. They are the only faction, other than the Turians, who manage to give the Reapers a couple defeats prior to the Earth counteroffensive. Also of the two mentioned military campaigns from the Krogan Rebellion the Asari participated in, both were Asari victories.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Actually of all the factions the Asari have the second best military record. They are the only faction, other than the Turians, who manage to give the Reapers a couple defeats prior to the Earth counteroffensive. Also of the two mentioned military campaigns from the Krogan Rebellion the Asari participated in, both were Asari victories.

 

Thessia fell to the Reapers. Did Sur'kesh fall? Did Palaven fall? Did Tuchanka fall? The Asari had a fair warning after Earth and Khar'shan and didn't mobilize their military effectively to slow down the Reaper invasion. They made themselves prime targets and simultaneously didn't adequately defend themselves. Part of it is tactics, part of it is strategy. Not all of it is necessarily intentional, but the Asari sure didn't make things much tougher for the Reapers.

[ZerebusPrime]

Was Sur'Kesh ever attacked?  The Salarians were building anti-Reaper dreadnoughts with Reaper IFF's and the like (side with the Dalatras to get the codex).  I had the impression that the Reapers were saving them for last.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Thessia fell to the Reapers. Did Sur'kesh fall? Did Palaven fall? Did Tuchanka fall? The Asari had a fair warning after Earth and Khar'shan and didn't mobilize their military effectively to slow down the Reaper invasion. They made themselves prime targets and simultaneously didn't adequately defend themselves. Part of it is tactics, part of it is strategy. Not all of it is necessarily intentional, but the Asari sure didn't make things much tougher for the Reapers.

 

Lies! Sur'kesh wasn't attacked until you launched the final assault to take back Earth, so that doesn't count. Palaven? Yes it did fall. The turians gave up their defense of their homeworld to launch the attack against the reapers. Tuchanka? It wasn't a high priority for the reapers because they were not a space faring species. They weren't going anywhere.

 

The Asari were giving the reapers hell in space battles with their hit and run tactics, and it kept the reapers from invading their worlds for a while. However, the reapers eventually changed their strategy of engaging the fleets and simply landed. They didn't have the heavy infantry necessary to fight a ground war. And as we saw on Palaven and Earth, and as the Protheans found out in the previous cycle, heavy infantry only delays the inevitable.

 

The only sound strategy is some way of species continuity. Find some worlds off the grid and enter the systems without using the relay system, build underground archives, fly the ships into the stars, and hide for 800 years living like primitives or in stasis.