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[Barquiel]

I'd say humans, throughout the series there is suspicion over the influence of humans and how quickly that influence is rising. Humans are new and already have two powerful organizations the Alliance and Cerberus. Imagine if Shepard wasn't around i'd like to think the Citadel would have been toast. Cerberus had no trouble kicking everyone's butt.

Cerberus has also displayed superior technology. They resurrected someone who was brain dead, and their creations were taking over the Citadel before Shep and crew showed up. The series itself makes humans out to be better throughout the games using diversity and individuality as reasons for human greatness. Samara implies it, as does Javik and Mordin. Even if Mordin was speaking on genetics and Javik on the galaxy as a whole we all know the message they were really trying to get across to the player...Humans F*$* yeah!

Don't know about all this talk about Asari military superiority. In the game the Commandos seemed weak. They got their butts kicked by ardat-yakshi, and they were getting their butts kicked on Thessia. Their weaponry didn't seem so advance. They didn't take down a single reaper, Quarians did atleast granted with the help of Shepard.

@ the person who said human individuality is something bad. No it's actually the reason for so much creativity. Samara herself said it best "If 3 humans are in a room there will be 6 opinions". This is why the West has historically been more innovative than the rest of the world, why artistic movements like the Renaissance mostly happened in the west. Liberal freedoms developed in the west earlier than others starting with the French Revolution. The west was more individualistic, creativity thrived. Everyone conforming to one doctrine ultimately causes stagnation not innovation.

Everything great about humans is because of our individuality. Our diversity in music, literature, art etc. Most of the other races in the ME universe are not as diverse as humanity culturally, on the contrary their cultures are straight forward with no deviations. With humans? Italian culture is nothing like Chinese. However it seems that all Asari, krogan and turians share the same culture with their entire species. It was Javik who also said this is why they lost to the reapers.

 
According to the codex the Reapers were stopped from reaching Thessia for a time and suffered reasonable casualties to the Asari's hit and run attacks (until they zerg rushed Thessia With a large force). In addition, the asari also defended some of their major colony worlds relatively successful (we know they destroyed several processing ships and troop transport ships on Ilium for example). Lore-wise, they fought much better against the reapers than every other race except maybe the turians (and even they could only slow the reapers down a bit on Palavan when they used the krogan as cannon fodder). 
 
The fact that humans appear so successful in the ME universe is definitely a result of the series succumbing to the "humans are special" and planet of hats/aliens-with-no-diversity tropes, especially in ME2 and ME3 (Andromeda could use a bit less of that, imo). It does feel like Bioware's forgotten their own ME1 dialogue...
 
Kaidan: I haven’t spent much time with any Krogan before, Wrex. I have to say, you’re not what I expected.
Wrex: Right. Because you humans have a wide range of cultures and attitudes, but Krogan all think and act exactly alike.
Kaidan: Look, I didn’t mean ---- Just forget I said something.
Wrex: Done.
 
There are some planet descriptions for the asari which imply that each republic operates different, with different ideologies and cultures, but it's not much.

[themikefest]

(we know they destroyed several processing ships and troop transport ships on Ilium for example).

What processing ships did they destroy? Only troop transport ships were destroyed slowing the invasion until the reapers could make more uglies

 

Reaper forces met a surprising amount of resistance at Illium. Its leaders were paranoid about keeping their fortunes, and were influential in both Terminus and Citadel space. They acquired a large defense fleet and a high number of fission weapons, and in the brief space battle, used them on the Reaper fleet's troop transports rather than their near-impervious capital ships. As a result, the inevitable ground invasion has been slowed to a crawl as the Reapers manufacture more troop
 

Lore-wise, they fought much better against the reapers than every other race except maybe the turians (and even they could only slow the reapers down a bit on Palavan when they used the krogan as cannon fodder).

How well would they of done if the reapers went to Thessia first instead of Earth? Don't know unless BioWare remakes ME3 with the reapers heading to Thessia first instead of Earth.

[Mordokai]

The lore on the First Contact War (ME1 codex) specifically states that the Turians were in the process of mobilizing their fleets to conquer the Systems Alliance, when the Council intervened and forced a cease fire.

 

*If* the Turian Councilor sided with the other two Councilors, he or she would have been at odds with his or her own government. It just seems more likely that s/he would have been a dissenting vote and overruled by the other two.

 

There could have been some realpolitck involved there, with the Salarians and Asari not wanting the Turians to acquire too large an empire and upset the balance of powers, but even so it would still be an example of diplomacy. Diplomacy doesn't involve abandoning self-interest. 

 

Bringing the Turians into an alliance against the Krogan is also an example of diplomacy.

 

So out of curiosity... what happened to you? Too much socializing with your not-so-friendly zombies?

 

Oh yeah, I guess I should say something on topic... asari über ales!

[Undead Han]

So out of curiosity... what happened to you? Too much socializing with your not-so-friendly zombies?

 

Oh yeah, I guess I should say something on topic... asari über ales!

 

 

Spoiler

Han didn't shoot first...

[iM3GTR]

...beautiful old crones...

Not something you hear every day.

[iM3GTR]

T.I.M does want the best for Humanity....So why gain some favor with the Asari so he can borrow some of their technology.

Not really.
"Human dominance? Or just Cerberus?"

[DeathScepter]

Not really.
"Human dominance? Or just Cerberus?"

both.

[Artona]

No? But who will we romance?

Turians, I hope. And maybe batarians? That would be interesting. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

As we can understand and according to circle races and harvest "rules", the master race of this circle was Quarians

 

1)they was the first race to create AI synthetic maсhines and have a synthetic conflict

 

2)they have the most advanced technology what surpassed others for centuries and even without prothen beacons like asari have

 

3)they found most of mass relays than any race

 

4)they was the first and only ones who create a memory copies what was kinda the same(by their function) as prothean beacons and memory shards

 

5)reapers first showed and was found by Saren from their space terrirories

[Nicholas_]

Yes, but the Protheans were superior to them.

[Treacherous J Slither]

As we can understand and according to circle races and harvest "rules", the master race of this circle was Quarians

1)they was the first race to create AI synthetic maсhines and have a synthetic conflict

2)they have the most advanced technology what surpassed others for centuries and even without prothen beacons like asari have

3)they found most of mass relays than any race

4)they was the first and only ones who create a memory copies what was kinda the same(by their function) as prothean beacons and memory shards

5)reapers first showed and was found by Saren from their space terrirories

Incorrect.

The quarians are inferior to the asari just like every other race in the galaxy.

Asari have the best technology. They're ahead of the rest of the galaxy in every way. They reached the Citadel first because they are more advanced than everyone else.

What is the quarians claim to fame? Creating a.i. that nearly wiped them out? That's a laugh. Guess what? A lot of the races have created a.i. but only the quarians got their collective butts kicked by it.

Their technology isn't the best. Their physiology isn't the best. Their culture isn't the best. The quarians can't do anything the asari can't do but better.

[Quarian Master Race]

Incorrect.

The quarians are inferior to the asari just like every other race in the galaxy.

Asari have the best technology. They're ahead of the rest of the galaxy in every way. They reached the Citadel first because they are more advanced than everyone else.

Highly debatable, considering the salarians, quarians and even humans are displayed to be ahead of them in several areas, and the turians in military endavours. Also, their vaunted "civilization" came out of a prothean teat and hardly advanced for thousands of years due to their species' stagnant nature. Good thing their "gods" existed to protect them, or they'd have been wiped out by the Oravore 50,000 years ago.

What is the quarians claim to fame? Creating a.i. that nearly wiped them out? That's a laugh. Guess what? A lot of the races have created a.i. but only the quarians got their collective butts kicked by it.

Their technology isn't the best. Their physiology isn't the best. Their culture isn't the best. The quarians can't do anything the asari can't do but better.

Inferior AI's, and the asari along with everyone else cowered in their space from ours after futilely attempting to send peace envoys rather than nutting up and fighting, so I don't know how that's a point in their favour? Certainly if their AI's were better, they could have easily stomped the geth into space dust no? Instead they destroy their own inferior toasters out of fear, retreat from our worlds and impotently cry about the geth killing their bondmates for 300 years, rather than even trying to do something about it.
https://www.youtube....eG6VYZ4#t=4m55s

Guess I can't blame them. When they finally do fight a geth fleet at the Citadel, they lose horribly despite knowing of the attack well in advance and even with the presence of their vaunted flagship.

Asari have little room to talk about "nearly wiped them out" considering that they didn't even need to develop artificial superintelligences to do that. They nearly got murdered in the prehistoric era and wouldn't exist if not for goddamn Javik. I mean, even the dumb krogan managed to develop nuclear technologies by themselves, but not the asari. Real masterful that lot.

The asari are also likely responsible (along with the salarians and turians) for the utterly retarded Luddite-esque prohibition on AI research, a type of futile strategy toward the technology which has already been described in primitive human discourse on law as more likely to result in simply empowering those leaders of rouge regimes who aren't subject to said laws with superior AI technologies. You can't stop research on something that can literally be done in someone's garage, anyway.


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Frankly, the asari are lucky that the quarians had no interest in violent galactic conquest, and that the prohibition didn't result in a rouge state like the batarians marching into Council space with an army of robots and easily murdering everyone.

Quarian tech is as described better than asari in several areas. I don't see the asari able to conduct large scale hydroponics in space, developing advanced AI and cyberwarfare techniques, possessing stealth vessels etc. Quarians also pioneered the superior Cyclonic Barrier Technology, and their small arms weapon tech outstrips absolutely everyone,  with monstrous creations like the Reegar Carbine, Arc Pistol and M98 Widow. Meanwhile, asari developed the worst French tickler in existence and called it a shotgun (Disiple), along with a garbage pong ball device of a pistol (Acolyte). This obvious technological inferiority is probably why their primitive slaver culture attempts to illicitly steal superior quarian expertise and intellects any chance they can get. Even multiplayer supports quarian technological advantage by giving them higher shield pools than asari (due to obviously more advanced tech), for the same power and superior weapon damage generation.

Their physiology is certainly better than asari (even Grunt says so, softies), who have only average intelligence, and a broken, evolutionary dead end reproductive strategy that will eventually result in their extinction, due to the lack of diversity provided by asexual reproduction promoting low fitness and unrestrained proliferation of genetic defects.

Even without mentioning quarian cultural achievements in the arts such as literature, music,  poetry  etc. (which, once again, the racist asari's bondmate above was studying over their own due to the inherient superiority of all things quarian), quarian culture with its complete elimination of greed, sexism and racism is certainly better than barbarism like slavery and putting genetic undesirables (lets call them ardat-yakshi) in concentration camps. I mean, even humans have people who kill those they sleep with (it's called AIDS) and they don't barbarically throw them in prisons for what they might do. The humans also abolished legal slavery in even their most primitive 3rd world societies something like 250 years ago by the time of ME1, but the backwards asari still have it legally institutionalized on their most highly developed worlds. Yep, asari are basically the galaxy's pickup truck driving, Confederate flag waving bumpkins. Or is that the batarians? I forget because both are slaver scum, and neither are particularly easy on the eyes. Such culture.

#TrueMasterRace
#KeepDreaminT'Soni

[Treacherous J Slither]

A bunch of diseased gypsies on rustboats held together with duct tape and spit that are too stupid to simply settle another planet are in no way superior to a race of biotic goddesses that would be ruling the galaxy if it weren't for the series poorly written human centric storytelling forcefully curbing their potential.

#AsariMasterRace
#NoneBetter
#KneelBeforeYourBioticGoddesses
#WorshipTheBlueDivinity

[ui876will]

Nah,they are outclassed by other races in numerous areas.

The Turians have a superior military,the Salarians are more scientificaly advanced,and the Volus have more credits.

In fact,they are more advanced only because of the prothean technology and the continuous peace they had for thousands of years.

[Toddler Tosser]

How does one fanboy over schlongheaded blue humans? Do I have to have an extra chromosome?

[The Ascendant]

I wonder how the Asrai will be seen in Andromeda. Mass Effect 3 was a real kick for them. Their lies, secrets and origins were revealed and they've certainly been taken down a peg or two. 

[Vilio1]

I don't think the events in ME3 will be thematized much. Didn't the trailer indicate that we leave before/during the Reaper attack (?), and I guess the Andromeda colonists have other problems anyway even if they put a few Matriarchs on trial in the MW galaxy.

There's also no shame in using Prothy tech when everyone does it.

[The Ascendant]

I don't think the events in ME3 will be thematized much. Didn't the trailer indicate that we leave before/during the Reaper attack (?), and I guess the Andromeda colonists have other problems anyway.

There's also no shame in using Prothy tech when everyone does it.

It wasn't the fact they used it, it was the fact they lied and created hypocritical laws that they never applied to themselves.

[Vilio1]

I'm pretty sure they followed the law. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that beacon in ME3 was discovered before the council came into being, before the Asari went to the citadel, and made the laws that all newly discovered prothean tech must be shared. Our squadmates don't seem all that outraged by the revelation of the beacon either. I think they all realise that anyone would have done the same. As I've said, I don't think it will be a theme in Andromeda, especially because the whole thing isn't exactly common knowledge and ME:A will take place far removed from events surrounding Shepard in both space and time.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Nah,they are outclassed by other races in numerous areas.
The Turians have a superior military,the Salarians are more scientificaly advanced,and the Volus have more credits.
In fact,they are more advanced only because of the prothean technology and the continuous peace they had for thousands of years.

So you admit that they are more advanced?

Higher technology and a society capable of a perpetual state of peace you say?

More proof of asari superiority!

[iM3GTR]

We all know Elcor are the true master race. Not the suit-rats, not blue-b*tches. Stop pretending. Stop lying to yourselves. Elcor are the best. Deal with it.

[Treacherous J Slither]

We all know Elcor are the true master race. Not the suit-rats, not blue-b*tches. Stop pretending. Stop lying to yourselves. Elcor are the best. Deal with it.

Elcor?! Ha! They don't even have hands! How "master race" can they be?

[iM3GTR]

Elcor?! Ha! They don't even have hands! How "master race" can they be?

They just...are.

[Treacherous J Slither]

They just...are.

They just...are LOSERS!

[iM3GTR]

They just...are LOSERS!

They are the best because...of a reason I haven't thought up yet...