282 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Barquiel]

This. There's no way none wouldn't keep it a secret if that would mean great potential for their own race. Everyone is selfish.

 

I wonder what some would say if humans found and kept the beacon instead.

 

 

"It was necessary".

 

Indeed, the alliance is not any better. There was even a CDN story about it...

 

“Controversy brews tonight as scientists on Mars assess the contents of a newly opened chamber in the Prothean ruins. The opening has been a dream of exoarchaeologists for decades, delayed by the many steps necessary to replicate Prothean code keys and crack the cryptography for entry. Critics say the Milky Way Foundation, which provided supercomputers for the cryptanalysis, could hoard any Prothean discoveries. Dr. Unira T’Lam, liaison from the Citadel Committee on Paleotechnology, says she’s been kept in the dark. “Foundation personnel have orchestrated a security system that keeps out everyone except a select cabal,” she accuses. “Anything could be taken from inside and we’d never know.” Dr. Ilsa Warren, who heads the analysis unit, dismisses the allegation. “We’ve made it clear all technology stays in situ throughout the cataloging and analysis process, which could take years,” she says. “Dr. T’Lam’s fears would be more appropriate closer to the end of the decade.”

 

But it's all a moot point anyway. The starchild tells Shepard that the reapers already knew everything about the Crucible plans and Vendetta said it was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built.

[Vazgen]

Codex / The Reaper War

 

The Fall of Thessia

The assault on Thessia did not go as smoothly as the Reapers' strikes against other races. While other species met the Reapers head-on, the asari resorted to dangerous hit-and-run tactics to harass their attackers. By engaging in guerilla strategies--blasting a Reaper ship, then jumping to FTL where they could not be tracked--the asari forced the Reapers to remain on the defensive.

Unfortunately, the Reapers' greater numbers allowed them to accept certain losses, so they soon ignored the attacks against them and began orbital bombardment of Thessia. This in turn forced the asari to defend their homeworld with a more traditional stance, facing the Reaper forces directly. As soon as the Reapers landed on Thessia, the harvesting began.

A swift and brutal slaughter of the asari ground forces followed. Resistance from trained biotics barely slowed the attackers down. In the end, Thessia's minimal military forces, combined with unpreparedness in the face of an overwhelming enemy, resulted in the fall of the planet.

 

The did use the advance warning to adjust their tactics. However, sheer might of the Reapers rendered their plans irrelevant. On the other hand, I think turians would've done better had they received the same warnings. 

 

As for them not believing the Reaper existence, they could've revealed the artifact right after Shepard presents them with the Crucible plans. Reaper existence is irrefutable at that point.

[Laughing_Man]

As for them not believing the Reaper existence, they could've revealed the artifact right after Shepard presents them with the Crucible plans. Reaper existence is irrefutable at that point.

 

Can you imagine the kind of desperation and irrationality an existential threat of this level can bring?

 

Everyone holds every scrap of hope they can find close to their chest.

 

It's all about the "What If's". What if this is the last hope of the Asari? What if they can find there the details for an elaborate prothean ruse and to hide part of their species until the Reapers are gone? What if...

 

My point is, it took awhile for logic to reassert itself.

[WildOrchid]

but the series did too often venture into the humans are special trope.

 

Gotta admit, that bugged me to no end how the game was too "anthropocentric".

[Laughing_Man]

Gotta admit, that bugged me to no end how the game was too "anthropocentric".

 

Gotta love Matriarch Aethyta. Humans are an anthropocentric bag of dicks...

[themikefest]

That's because as the protagonist, Shepard is a special snowflake. He or she is always going to succeed where others fail, and any time Shepard runs across allies in missions it is always going to be up to Shepard, rather than those allies, to save the day.

Makes you wonder what's the point in having the other species have these missions when they just could call for Shepard to do them
 

The same thing occurs on Menae where Shepard fixes the Turian comm tower,

There was a Turian that was on his way to fix it, but got overwhelmed
 

on Sur'Kesh where Shepard rescues the Krogan Cerberus is after,

There were salarians fighting
 

on Tuchanka where Shepard destroys the sole Reaper on the planet,

Wasn't it Wreav/Wrex that raised the hammers for Shepard to use that led to Kalros defeating the reaper?
 

and with the Quarians needing Shepard to both destroy the Geth dreadnought

Once the barriers and weapons went offline, thanks to the gethvi/Legion after Shepard freed it, the Quarians destroyed the dreadnought
 

and the lone Reaper on Rannoch.

Didn't Shepard get help from the Quarians? All she/he did was paint the target
 

[Treacherous J Slither]

*sings* Asari master race! Asari master rayhayhayce! Asari master race! Asari master rayhayhayce! Boom haaa bluue haaa! Ooh ahhh woo haaa! Boom haaa bluue haaa! Ooh ahhh woo HA! Biotic explosion!

[Urizen]

Makes you wonder what's the point in having the other species have these missions when they just could call for Shepard to do them
 

There was a Turian that was on his way to fix it, but got overwhelmed
 

There were salarians fighting
 

Wasn't it Wreav/Wrex that raised the hammers for Shepard to use that led to Kalros defeating the reaper?
 

Once the barriers and weapons went offline, thanks to the gethvi/Legion after Shepard freed it, the Quarians destroyed the dreadnought
 

Didn't Shepard get help from the Quarians? All she/he did was paint the target
 

 

1. There are missions Shep didn´t partake in that were successful, alas only because you were never intended to do them.

 

2. And in rides shepard, saving the day through biotic fire

 

3. And with the exception of Kirrahe, all dying.

 

4. Agreed, though we don´t know what kind of resistance he faced after the cutscene.

 

5. Without the dropped barriers, the Quarians only managed to do measly damage to it. And in rides...

 

6. Agreed.

[themikefest]

2. And in rides shepard, saving the day through biotic fire

Don't recall there being biotic fire in the game. Mine used a mixture of biotics and her weapon
 

3. And with the exception of Kirrahe, all dying.

We only see the ones that are fighting that are killed. There may of been others that we don't see that survive
 

5. Without the dropped barriers, the Quarians only managed to do measly damage to it. And in rides...

My Shepard walked in. It was the gethvi/Legion that disabled the weapons and barriers that led to the Quarians destroying the ship. Of course Shepard had to free the thing for that to happen

[Urizen]

Nr. 2 wasn´t to be taken to literal. It was more of a  veeeery loose reference to a convo with Warlord Okeer

[yif]

asari are nice and friendly and my friend

[Pasquale1234]

As much as I love asari, there's no master race. Though asari are more a peaceful, diplomatic race. They own their "success" to the protheans by hiding that beacon, thanks to some shady matriarchs.

I've never quite understood what, if anything, that beacon had to do with it.

Prothean beacons are comm devices, not archives or information depositories. The ones we've encountered previously still contained warning messages, but could only be understood by someone with the cipher. Plus - the thing had been squirreled away inside that statue for thousands of years.

When we access the beacon, out pops Vendetta. It seems to me that if the Asari had ever before conversed with Vendetta, they would have known of the reapers' existence long before Shepard came along.

It is clear that the Asari had some Prothean visitors 50K+ years ago who taught them some basic math, agriculture, etc. Of course, some people think that humans have had such visitors in the past, and point to things like pyramids and stonehenge.
 

(Though, i'm sure each race would keep that secret to themselves if that'd mean success in their own race. Everyone is selfish. Can't really blame them.)

Indeed.

I always sort of wondered if that beacon came with a "do not open until x" attached to it and that was passed down through generations with only a few Matriarchs knowing about it.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I've never quite understood what, if anything, that beacon had to do with it.

Prothean beacons are comm devices, not archives or information depositories. The ones we've encountered previously still contained warning messages, but could only be understood by someone with the cipher. Plus - the thing had been squirreled away inside that statue for thousands of years.

When we access the beacon, out pops Vendetta. It seems to me that if the Asari had ever before conversed with Vendetta, they would have known of the reapers' existence long before Shepard came along.

It is clear that the Asari had some Prothean visitors 50K+ years ago who taught them some basic math, agriculture, etc. Of course, some people think that humans have had such visitors in the past, and point to things like pyramids and stonehenge.


Indeed.

I always sort of wondered if that beacon came with a "do not open until x" attached to it and that was passed down through generations with only a few Matriarchs knowing about it.

I was thinking the same thing myself. Seems like the other races keep getting shafted in order to make the humans stand out. That kind of thing ruins the integrity of the universe these stories take place in IMO.

I look at the capabilities and potential of the alien races and this humancentrism is painfully obvious.

Angry krogan npc: "You humans are all racist!"

[SwobyJ]

Asari are the master race as it pertains to a Reaping cycle.

 

So I guess they're super successful in that gap between reaching the Citadel and the Reapers killing everyone lol.

[SwobyJ]

I was thinking the same thing myself. Seems like the other races keep getting shafted in order to make the humans stand out. That kind of thing ruins the integrity of the universe these stories take place in IMO.

I look at the capabilities and potential of the alien races and this humancentrism is painfully obvious.

Angry krogan npc: "You humans are all racist!"

 

Sort of.

 

I can see that Bioware is trying to straddle between two conditions and ways to see the story, even three now.

 

1)Humans (and/or their close allies) are the center and will continue to grow in power and understanding, so their way (or at least whatever way relates to them and their way of thinking more) wins out eventually. There may be Others that have qualities similar to humanity, but they more often are threats to the ultimately superior humanity.

 

2)There is always things beyond humanity/human-ish. There is always understandings and ways of thinking and living that are different than humanity, and this may or may not be dangerous or problematic. There is always entities or existences that humanity hasn't reached, and their way may actually be superior to humanity's for not just decades, but potentially millions of years, and if we want to truly become BETTER (not just stronger), we need to learn from them. And perhaps even cede power to them when appropriate and truly for our own good.

 

3)There is always knowledge that lies beyond everyone and everything involved with a situation/environment/etc. This knowledge or kind of truth works on us in ways that none of us (at least significantly/fully) understand, but still matters, perhaps more than anything else. Humanity (or whatever we view as 'centric' - humanity or not) may play a role in how it works, but it is but a small piece of a puzzle that extends farther than we can ever imagine. We can choose to shut out this knowledge of the puzzle as long as we can manage to, or we can become one with it, for better or worse.

 

 

The Mass Effect trilogy may revolve around various forms of a rise of one human, and the overall rise of humanity, but I don't think that's where it'll stop.

 

Though I could be wrong and Bioware decides to rehash the same old again. Even DAI, while trending away from the gist of DAO-DA2 and ME1-ME3, had a significant part of itself be that 'same old'.

 

I hope the next Mass Effect tries something noticeably new. We've had the ascension occur, so what else is there?

[Reaper-Synthetic]

Asari live for a thousand years. But what do they do with the thousand years. Spend first few hundred years of it stripping in a bar. So already a large portion of the long lifespan has been wasted on something inane when it could be used working and benefiting the society as a whole. And the asari pretty much laugh at good ideas. Such as stopping the stripping and making the young work and building new mass relays. Ideas that would improve the society and galaxy as a whole. But their leadership laughs at such ideas. The asari are anything but superior.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Asari live for a thousand years. But what do they do with the thousand years. Spend first few hundred years of it stripping in a bar. So already a large portion of the long lifespan has been wasted on something inane when it could be used working and benefiting the society as a whole. And the asari pretty much laugh at good ideas. Such as stopping the stripping and making the young work and building new mass relays. Ideas that would improve the society and galaxy as a whole. But their leadership laughs at such ideas. The asari are anything but superior.

What race beats them out then? What race offers more to the galaxy and also has superior innate abilities to the asari?

[Reaper-Synthetic]

What race beats them out then? What race offers more to the galaxy and also has superior innate abilities to the asari?

The turians certainly. They provide the entire galaxy with the forces keeping the peace, and everyone in their society goes to military service at age 15 and serve for quite some time helping the Hierarchy uphold the peace across the galaxy. In turian society there isn't people wasting their time like how asari waste considerable fraction of their lives just shaking their ass at somebody, or helping out some criminal merc band. ''Society first, platoon first.'' said Garrus about turian society which is admirable. Turians all blow to one fire working together for the greater good of the society as a whole and each individual is expected to do their part. And Turian Hierarchy has 27 citizenship tiers which you can reach by contributing to the greater society. So turians are expected contribution to society and are rewarded according to their contribution.

[SwobyJ]

What race beats them out then? What race offers more to the galaxy and also has superior innate abilities to the asari?

 

HUMANS! GO EARPH! RAH RAH!

[Barquiel]

Asari live for a thousand years. But what do they do with the thousand years. Spend first few hundred years of it stripping in a bar. So already a large portion of the long lifespan has been wasted on something inane when it could be used working and benefiting the society as a whole. And the asari pretty much laugh at good ideas. Such as stopping the stripping and making the young work and building new mass relays. Ideas that would improve the society and galaxy as a whole. But their leadership laughs at such ideas. The asari are anything but superior.

 
You realize that there are not enough pole dancing jobs in the galaxy for billions of asari maidens? It's safe to assume that most Asari maidens have "normal" jobs, but simply don't leave Asari space (the same applies for the other ME races, of course). The asari are superior in certain aspects (lowest crime rate, highest standard of living, etc.), while other races have their own strenghts.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The turians certainly. They provide the entire galaxy with the forces keeping the peace, and everyone in their society goes to military service at age 15 and serve for quite some time helping the Hierarchy uphold the peace across the galaxy. In turian society there isn't people wasting their time like how asari waste considerable fraction of their lives just shaking their ass at somebody, or helping out some criminal merc band. ''Society first, platoon first.'' said Garrus about turian society which is admirable. Turians all blow to one fire working together for the greater good of the society as a whole and each individual is expected to do their part. And Turian Hierarchy has 27 citizenship tiers which you can reach by contributing to the greater society. So turians are expected contribution to society and are rewarded according to their contribution.

Yeah they like to put that "soldiers unity" image out there but those vicious colony wars of theirs really did happen and there are turians still resentful of the actions taken against them and wear their colony markings in defiance. Who's to say that there won't be another rebellion in the future? They're also foolishly discriminatory to their biotics. Where's the unity there? Turians are just as dirty as anyone else because merc groups like the Blue Suns are full of turians who don't "do their part".

Anyway their only selling point is their large army. The asari have them beat in every single other category including individual martial ability because asari commandos are the deadliest in the galaxy.

I see you didn't mention any innate turian abilities. I wonder why...?

[SwobyJ]

Yeah they like to put that "soldiers unity" image out there but those vicious colony wars of theirs really did happen and there are turians still resentful of the actions taken against them and wear their colony markings in defiance. Who's to say that there won't be another rebellion in the future? They're also foolishly discriminatory to their biotics. Where's the unity there? Turians are just as dirty as anyone else because merc groups like the Blue Suns are full of turians who don't "do their part".

Anyway their only selling point is their large army. The asari have them beat in every single other category including individual martial ability because asari commandos are the deadliest in the galaxy.

I see you didn't mention any innate turian abilities. I wonder why...?

 

I have to agree with all of these.

 

The Turians' biggest strength in the galaxy is their gigantic and disciplined military.

 

Besides that... its more of a mix. 

[Catastrophy]

Everybody loves the Asari. The only way to beat them is by opening fashion shops on Thessia and make them want to buy blue lipsticks. That's what humans are excellent in. Soon all Asari will be married to the humans and the rest of the galaxy look with awe and envy at the people who have the coolest chicks.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Everybody loves the Asari. The only way to beat them is by opening fashion shops on Thessia and make them want to buy blue lipsticks. That's what humans are excellent in. Soon all Asari will be married to the humans and the rest of the galaxy look with awe and envy at the people who have the coolest chicks.

And in the span of a few centuries they'll breed us into extinction. Good plan.

[WildOrchid]

And in the span of a few centuries they'll breed us into extinction. Good plan.

 

Don't worry. The majority of races prefer to mate with their own race. Ignoring the "pureblood stigma", the asari still mate with other asari. It's safe to assume most of them prefer asari anyway. That's how they lived for centuries, and will continue to do so.