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[Quarian Master Race]

hahah no.

Asari
Population: 5.5 billion (before colonies)
Maximum war assets: 690

Quarian
Population: 17 million
Maximum war assets: 870

In terms of efficiency, 1 quarian= 408 asari, and that's before the latter's unknown but massive colony and maiden population.

InB4 codex; it is wrong and contradictory all the time. Random anecdotes and uninformed testimony are also not valid evidence.

Stick to dancing in seedy bars, ladies. There's only one master race.

[Undead Han]

The War assets numbers are borked. They are random and without any rhyme or reason. The Normandy with all upgrades is worth more than entire fleets. A single character like Jack is worth something 1/3 the points of the entire Alliance 5th Fleet. In short the point values are completely ridiculous, arbitrary, and other than determining which ending you get...meaningless.

 

Canonically the Asari field the galaxy's best soldiers. They also field the second largest fleet in Council space, after the Turians.

 

While the Quarians also field a massive fleet with the Migrant Fleet, that fleet is qualitatively inferior than those fielded by any the major Council races. According to the canon most of the Quarian ships are cast-offs and salvage from other species or 300 year old piles of obsolete junk from the Morning War held together by bubble gum & shoe strings. 

[SwobyJ]

The War Assets are assets to the War.

 

 

The Asari got involved late and to a more limited extent.

 

The Quarians, once freed up, jump right in with everything they got.

 

The Normandy is frequently involved in highly important operations that determine the fate of the galaxy.

 

Assets. To the WAR.

 

Not just Assets that exist.

 

Obviously, for Assets that exist (especially prior to ME3), Asari would outstrip most. But in this story, they held back.

 

Not everyone was directly involved with the war at all times. Jack, for example, can be understood to be extremely useful to the war compared to most others. We can easily and properly headcanon her to be involved with highly important tasks to beat back the Reapers.

While the Alliance 5th Fleet, on the other hand, guarded Arcturus Station (and failed), guarded the Crucible (I think), may have played a part in the attack on Cronos Station (I think), and was part of the attack to retake Earth.

That's a limited involvement. Important, yes, but only in combination with the other fleets in almost all cases, and otherwise just sitting pretty getting ready to take Earth.

 

Compare that to the Quarians, who we're being told is being actively involved across the galaxy.

 

Most of the Alliance fleets held back because they planned to head to Earth. (Though Alliance ground forces were highly involved in things)

 

War. Assets. (Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude here, but I want to reinforce the idea).

 

Its not a perfect concept, but I think the point is to show what's important to the war, not what's generally powerful. And I wouldn't consider the Asari to be nearly as important to the war as others. They contributed, yes, but the bulk of that contribution was off screen, after they were stomped by the Reapers.

[themikefest]

The War assets numbers are borked. They are random and without any rhyme or reason. The Normandy with all upgrades is worth more than entire fleets. A single character like Jack is worth something 1/3 the points of the entire Alliance 5th Fleet. In short the point values are completely ridiculous, arbitrary, and other than determining which ending you get...meaningless.

 

What was messed up is that the player starts off with 50% galactic readiness.

 

Using your Jack example, she is worth 25 war assets but at 50%, she is really worth 12.5 war assets. I guess that means she only performs at 50% of her capabilities. The system was crap.

 

One of the funniest things is that Anderson is worth 200 war assets if TIM doesn't kill him. Going by that, 15.5 Andersons can stop the reapers without having the galaxy working together and still get the breath scene

[SwobyJ]

"15.5 Andersons can stop the reapers without having the galaxy working together and still get the breath scene"

 

More like 15.5 Andersons could get the war plan (which always includes the Crucible) going well enough to finish the war to that high of a degree of success.

 

But we have 1. So it doesn't matter.

[KrrKs]

One of the funniest things is that Anderson is worth 200 war assets if TIM doesn't kill him. Going by that, 15.5 Andersons can stop the reapers without having the galaxy working together and still get the breath scene

Of course!

Can you imagine 15 Andersons all rumbling or mubling about "Maybe it is a weapon!", "They are going to attack earth!" and "I was born in London"

No one could sanely survive that!

 

As Odo would say: "I don't think the universe is ready for two Weyouns Andersons."

[SwobyJ]

Arguably, there wouldn't even be a resistance left on Earth if it wasn't for a single David Anderson.

[Undead Han]

Arguably, there wouldn't even be a resistance left on Earth if it wasn't for a single David Anderson.

 

While true it does demonstrate nicely the completely arbitrary number values given to your war assets. While he might be essential to keeping Earth and the Earth-based resistance afloat after the Reaper invasion, one man...even one as important as Anderson...is not worth more than entire fleets. Fleets can destroy Reapers, Anderson can't.

 

Getting back to the Migrant Fleet & the Asari...

 

I suppose one way you could look at it is that the higher number value for the Migrant Fleet compared to the Asari, or the Salarians for that matter, is that a percentage of the Asari & Salarian fleets are tied down defending their own space and not committed to the Earth counteroffensive. The Migrant Fleet on the other hand, with no worlds or territory to protect, is able to be committed in full.

 

I don't believe the devs gave the number values much thought, and I doubt that was their intent, but I think that works as head canon if you want to make some sense of the EMS contribution of the fleets.

 

Why characters like Jack or Zaeed are worth 1/3 the value of the entire 5th Fleet however...I got nothing.

[SwobyJ]

While true it does demonstrate nicely the completely arbitrary number values given to your war assets. While he might be essential to keeping Earth and the Earth-based resistance afloat after the Reaper invasion, one man...even one as important as Anderson...is not worth more than entire fleets. Fleets can destroy Reapers, Anderson can't.

 

Getting back to the Migrant Fleet & the Asari...

 

I suppose one way you could look at it is that the higher number value for the Migrant Fleet compared to the Asari, or the Salarians for that matter, is that a percentage of the Asari & Salarian fleets are tied down defending their own space and not committed to the Earth counteroffensive. The Migrant Fleet on the other hand, with no worlds or territory to protect, is able to be committed in full.

 

I don't believe the devs gave the number values much thought, and I doubt that was their intent, but I think that works as head canon if you want to make some sense of the EMS contribution of the fleets.

 

Why characters like Jack or Zaeed are worth 1/3 the value of the entire 5th Fleet however...I got nothing.

 

Insert Fanon where War Asset numbers symbolize our Shepard's level of 'Hope' to defeat the Reapers, because all of ME3 is a virtual reconstruction.     

[Undead Han]

 

 

One of the funniest things is that Anderson is worth 200 war assets if TIM doesn't kill him. Going by that, 15.5 Andersons can stop the reapers without having the galaxy working together and still get the breath scene

 

All they needed to do was clone him.

 

Meanwhile, in the Citadel decision chamber:

 

Anderson: I was born in London you know.

 

Anderson clone #1: I was also born in London.

 

Anderson clone #2: I was born in London too.

 

Anderson clone #3: Did I tell you I was born in London?

 

Anderson clone #4: You'd have never guessed it, but I was born in London.

 

Several Anderson clones later....

 

Catalyst: :::Self destructs::::

[Treacherous J Slither]

All they needed to do was clone him.

Meanwhile, in the Citadel decision chamber:

Anderson: I was born in London you know.

Anderson clone #1: I was also born in London.

Anderson clone #2: I was born in London too.

Anderson clone #3: Did I tell you I was born in London?

Anderson clone #4: You'd have never guessed it, but I was born in London.

Several Anderson clones later....

Catalyst: :::Self destructs::::

Personally I hate the idea of clones but love the idea of more Keith David. Hope he has a major character to voice in MENext.

One of my favorite lines from him is in Requiem For A Dream:

*Keith David looks at Jennifer Connelly*
"Well I didn't take him out to get some air."

Great scene. Great movie.

[Treacherous J Slither]

hahah no.

Asari
Population: 5.5 billion (before colonies)
Maximum war assets: 690

Quarian
Population: 17 million
Maximum war assets: 870

In terms of efficiency, 1 quarian= 408 asari, and that's before the latter's unknown but massive colony and maiden population.

InB4 codex; it is wrong and contradictory all the time. Random anecdotes and uninformed testimony are also not valid evidence.

Stick to dancing in seedy bars, ladies. There's only one master race.

Cool name. Highly amusing post. Especially that last bit.

Why do you believe the quarians are so great? What do they have over the asari? Or do you mean it as a sort of joke?

[Tex]

As much as I love asari, there's no master race. Though asari are more a peaceful, diplomatic race. They own their "success" to the protheans by hiding that beacon, thanks to some shady matriarchs.
 
 
 
(Though, i'm sure each race would keep that secret to themselves if that'd mean success in their own race. Everyone is selfish. Can't really blame them.)

This is exactly how I see it any race especially humans would keep that kind of technology for themselves it would be completely hypocritical for people to say other wise.

[Laughing_Man]

The War Assets are assets to the War.

 

...

 

Its not a perfect concept, but I think the point is to show what's important to the war, not what's generally powerful. And I wouldn't consider the Asari to be nearly as important to the war as others. They contributed, yes, but the bulk of that contribution was off screen, after they were stomped by the Reapers.

 

This explanation is lacking. Jack can only be in one mission at the time, and destroy X number of enemies.

 

When a fleet joins the "War Assets" pool, it is with the same commitment as Jack, and operating at full capacity it can destroy Y number of enemies at the same time.

 

In this equation Y is a much bigger number than X, obviously.

 

The simple difference is that a fleet has more fire power and options than a single operative, no matter how special.

 

So I still don't see how this makes sense.

 

Cool name. Highly amusing post. Especially that last bit.

Why do you believe the quarians are so great? What do they have over the asari? Or do you mean it as a sort of joke?

 

Here is a quote from the Urban Dictionary that probably has something to do with this:

 

"A Talimancer is a wild, rabid beast which is commonly encountered on the Bioware Social Network. They are unique animals since they are the result of an unfortunate occurence where a perfectly logical male gets infected by the Talimancus Romancus virus. This turns the human being to a drooling beast which crusades against everyone and everything who doesn't want to **** Tali, or find out what her sweat smells like. Talimancers are pack animals who group together, and they prey on anyone who doesn't like Tali.

If you encounter one in the wilds, the best course of action is to ignore it. However, if it is aggressive and tries to come at you, play dead. If you fight back, the beast will call it's pack to help him, and then you are fucked.

 

It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat, trying to figure out what it'd smell and taste like. I quickly realised that most scents originate from bacteria, which would be minimal to non-existant for quarians.

The next best thing, would be urea. Urea is essential for the metabolism of mammals, and also a bonding agent (For say, p-cresol and o-cresol, two odor chemicals found in sweat. Though these likely aren't available to quarians), and it, and residues of the amino acids and chemicals used in its production are excreted through many different ways. Urine, sweat, etc.

~ A post by a very creepy Talimancer"

[Vazgen]

 

This explanation is lacking. Jack can only be in one mission at the time, and destroy X number of enemies.

 

When a fleet joins the "War Assets" pool, it is with the same commitment as Jack, and operating at full capacity it can destroy Y number of enemies at the same time.

 

In this equation Y is a much bigger number than X, obviously.

 

The simple difference is that a fleet has more fire power and options than a single operative, no matter how special.

 

So I still don't see how this makes sense.

Y can be expendable. X can be more vital to the war. It depends on a situation. And assuming Alliance military command is not idiotic, they would assign Jack and skilled people like her to such vital tasks.

[Laughing_Man]

Y can be expendable. X can be more vital to the war. It depends on a situation. And assuming Alliance military command is not idiotic, they would assign Jack and skilled people like her to such vital tasks.

 

Doesn't matter. It still boils down to numbers and fire power. A special operative is still a human and prone to mistakes, he or she can still be taken down by sheer numbers - something the Reapers excel at. An orbital bombardment on the other hand, can wipe out an entire horde of Reaper forces in seconds.

 

The problem is not with Alliance Command, but rather with whoever wrote the "fluff" and divided "assets" to numbers.

 

Edit: I would have suggested simply making things more plausible. Jack is rated 25, but not only because of her, but rather because she leads a group of some of the Alliance's best biotic operatives in daring raids behind enemy lines. etc.

[Mordokai]

In any case one failure doesn't alter the lore that the Asari field the galaxy's best soldiers. In the real world there isn't an elite military organization in existence with a significant combat record, that hasn't also lost a couple fights. 

 

You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this... any specific cases you can point me to? Not because I doubt you, I'm simply interested to know more.

 

Don't worry. The majority of races prefer to mate with their own race. Ignoring the "pureblood stigma", the asari still mate with other asari. It's safe to assume most of them prefer asari anyway. That's how they lived for centuries, and will continue to do so.

 

Actually, the inclusion of human females on galactic scene may change that. Think about it. There is, as you say, a stigma against union of two asari, because of pureblood children and higher chance of producing an ardat-yakshi offspring. But I agree with you that most asari still prefer their own race to any other. Physical resemblance, knowing more about them than turian(for example) and in general, familiarity. I also think that most asari would be somewhat prejudiced against asari union. Because of said stigma or because of fear that their children may become monsters.

 

With the arrival of humans(more specifically, our women), that changes. Here you have a creature that looks almost exactly like an asari, with few pieces that are not there on your regular asari(hair and ears come to mind) that only serves to magnify the alien charm of newcomers. There is also a zero chance of producing a pureblood offspring, so hey... all good, right?

 

That's why I always roll my eyes when haters proclaim femshep/Liara(or any relationship between a human female and an asari) a fanservice. Sure, it's that too, but it actually makes sense. To me, at least.

[Undead Han]

You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this... any specific cases you can point me to? Not because I doubt you, I'm simply interested to know more.

 

 

The SAS or the Navy SEALs might be a good example. Both are held up as some of the premier special operations units in the world, and with good reason. They both certainly represent some of the best soldiers (or sailors, in the case of the SEALs) that their respective nations field,  and have stellar combat records. But they aren't invincible and have also lost a couple fights. The SAS had Bravo Two Zero and the SEALs Operation Red Wings.

 

You can name any elite military force from history, either past or present, and if it has a combat record of any significance you could probably find a few fights where they would have liked to have a do over.

 

From antiquity most people would probably name the Romans or the Spartans as some of the most fearsome warriors in European history, and they wouldn't be wrong. But even at their height the Romans occasionally had a battle like Cannae or Teutoburg, and the Spartans The Battle of the Fetters or Leuctra.

[WildOrchid]

You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this... any specific cases you can point me to? Not because I doubt you, I'm simply interested to know more.

 

 

Actually, the inclusion of human females on galactic scene may change that. Think about it. There is, as you say, a stigma against union of two asari, because of pureblood children and higher chance of producing an ardat-yakshi offspring. But I agree with you that most asari still prefer their own race to any other. Physical resemblance, knowing more about them than turian(for example) and in general, familiarity. I also think that most asari would be somewhat prejudiced against asari union. Because of said stigma or because of fear that their children may become monsters.

 

With the arrival of humans(more specifically, our women), that changes. Here you have a creature that looks almost exactly like an asari, with few pieces that are not there on your regular asari(hair and ears come to mind) that only serves to magnify the alien charm of newcomers. There is also a zero chance of producing a pureblood offspring, so hey... all good, right?

 

That's why I always roll my eyes when haters proclaim femshep/Liara(or any relationship between a human female and an asari) a fanservice. Sure, it's that too, but it actually makes sense. To me, at least.

Lmao yes, I've read of those so called haters. They just hate asari. Implying maleshep/any human or fshep/any human isn't fanservice either. Everything is "fanservice".

 

About the condition, i thought the condition is pretty rare? Asari used to only mate with other asari through the years and still there weren't many ardat yakshi (correct me if i'm wrong)... yes it can happen with "purebloods" but that shouldn't be a reason for them to completely stop mating with other asari.

 

They also mate with other races for "genetic" reasons, in which Aethyta calls bullshit and a lame excuse for asari to stop mating with other asari.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The reason the Asari war assets were smaller than the Quarians was that Bioware never developed a firing animation for the Asari warships.

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Lmao yes, I've read of those so called haters. They just hate asari. Implying maleshep/any human or fshep/any human isn't fanservice either. Everything is "fanservice".

 

About the condition, i thought the condition is pretty rare? Asari used to only mate with other asari through the years and still there weren't many ardat yakshi (correct me if i'm wrong)... yes it can happen with "purebloods" but that shouldn't be a reason for them to completely stop mating with other asari.

 

They also mate with other races for "genetic" reasons, in which Aethyta calls bullshit and a lame excuse for asari to stop mating with other asari.

 

However the codex and wikia state that the Ardat Yakshi thing affects 1% of the pureblood population. This was the ME3 retcon making it effectively the mook generator needed for ME3. One would think that such an advanced society would also have had a genetic cure by that time. But having such a thing suddenly dropped on them in 2186 there was no time to develop one.

[Undead Han]

However the codex and wikia state that the Ardat Yakshi thing affects 1% of the pureblood population. This was the ME3 retcon making it effectively the mook generator needed for ME3. One would think that such an advanced society would also have had a genetic cure by that time. But having such a thing suddenly dropped on them in 2186 there was no time to develop one.

 

Actually that one wasn't a ME3 retcon. ME3 just reconfirms what already was established as lore in ME2. 1% of the Asari being on the AY spectrum was stated in the ME2 codex entry. The ME2 writers actually goofed on that one, and there appeared to have been a communications breakdown between whoever wrote the codex entries & whoever wrote Samara. Samara states that there are only three Ardat Yakshi in existence, but that is contradicted in Mass Effect 2 by the Ardat-Yakshi codex entry, one bit of dialogue by Patriarch, and the description of the Asari honey-wine that you can buy at Aethyta's place on Illium. Both Patriarch and the description of the honey-wine mention that it is made at the Ardat-Yakshi monastery we visit in ME3.

 

In short I think the error was with Samara's writer, since Samara's dialogue seems to run counter to the lore. In his or her defense however, that should have been pointed out by a lead before her lines were recorded. 

[Vazgen]

Perhaps Samara only knows of three? 

[SwobyJ]

I would like a ME4 that shows us the ancient history of the asari having many many more AY active back on terrestrial life on Thessia. "ALL SHALL WORSHIP ME, BIOTIC GODDESS".

[Treacherous J Slither]

This explanation is lacking. Jack can only be in one mission at the time, and destroy X number of enemies.

When a fleet joins the "War Assets" pool, it is with the same commitment as Jack, and operating at full capacity it can destroy Y number of enemies at the same time.

In this equation Y is a much bigger number than X, obviously.

The simple difference is that a fleet has more fire power and options than a single operative, no matter how special.

So I still don't see how this makes sense.


Here is a quote from the Urban Dictionary that probably has something to do with this:

"A Talimancer is a wild, rabid beast which is commonly encountered on the Bioware Social Network. They are unique animals since they are the result of an unfortunate occurence where a perfectly logical male gets infected by the Talimancus Romancus virus. This turns the human being to a drooling beast which crusades against everyone and everything who doesn't want to **** Tali, or find out what her sweat smells like. Talimancers are pack animals who group together, and they prey on anyone who doesn't like Tali.

If you encounter one in the wilds, the best course of action is to ignore it. However, if it is aggressive and tries to come at you, play dead. If you fight back, the beast will call it's pack to help him, and then you are fucked.

It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat, trying to figure out what it'd smell and taste like. I quickly realised that most scents originate from bacteria, which would be minimal to non-existant for quarians.

The next best thing, would be urea. Urea is essential for the metabolism of mammals, and also a bonding agent (For say, p-cresol and o-cresol, two odor chemicals found in sweat. Though these likely aren't available to quarians), and it, and residues of the amino acids and chemicals used in its production are excreted through many different ways. Urine, sweat, etc.

~ A post by a very creepy Talimancer"

O_O Wooow.