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[Treacherous J Slither]

^Eeexaactly.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I was under the impression that they (relatively) stagnated for 1000s of years, not 100s. So the current crop has a set system that they don't want to shake up. So they allow the stripper --> mating --> matriarch (with commando as an option otherwise) sort of path (as a culturally stereotypical example) to happen. Liara's father is one of the relative few who would want to shake things up, try to understand more of the workings of the universe etc, but the matriarchs say no, and prefer galactic stability - even when that's only an illusion.

I think with this level of tech, sure, there's welders, riveters, etc, but there wouldn't be nearly as many (in ratio but maybe even in numbers) than the lessers like humanity. Basically, the asari are already relatively 'set', sitting on 'top' of the achievements of others (other Council members, other Citadel members, Prothian uplifting, far past asari generations).

Blue space babes trope (is that fully a thing? heh) wasn't 'subverted' outright, no, but it was at least highlighted occasionally as a flaw of a culture.

The asari are sitting on top and on a world like Illium i'm sure that most members of the asari population don't do lower end jobs like construction or maintenance but the same can't be said for worlds in asari space.

The entire race isn't wealthy but they probably have a higher standard of living than others due to their success as a species.

With this in mind it would seem that the stereotype of asari being a bunch of strippers and commandos is silly, nonsensical, and out of place.

[Undead Han]

With this in mind it would seem that the stereotype of asari being a bunch of strippers and commandos is silly, nonsensical, and out of place.

 

I kind of view it as being in the same boat as the real world stereotype of Indians all being doctors, working in IT, or owning restaurants, and being just as untrue.

 

On that note the stereotype of the Asari itself is probably realistic, but they could probably do a better job of showing it to be malarkey rather than using it as a punchline.

[SwobyJ]

What I can agree with is that they laid it down as a joke way too often. You boil down a species to jokes about it, you miss the nuances that would get you to more truly support or be against them. The 'they're all dancers and commandos' bit is a highly limited view of things that I would have liked to see *expanded* from after ME1, not solidified. 

 

Of course we see Asari that are neither of these things, but the jokes persist to a quantity that I think they're a bit of a waste of the script.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The asari are sitting on top and on a world like Illium i'm sure that most members of the asari population don't do lower end jobs like construction or maintenance but the same can't be said for worlds in asari space.

The entire race isn't wealthy but they probably have a higher standard of living than others due to their success as a species.

With this in mind it would seem that the stereotype of asari being a bunch of strippers and commandos is silly, nonsensical, and out of place.

 

Seriously, a society may be sitting on top of the world on a world like Illium, which is a main trade world with the Terminus, and will have other races doing their dirty work. But on their homeworld and main colony worlds rest assured there are Asari construction workers, sanitation workers, fire, police, and other civil servants. Their society could not survive without them. Take a world like Thessia with its high eezo levels. I can't see other races rushing in to do farm labor and expose themselves to toxic levels of eezo. Thessia would not have an illegal immigration problem.

 

The Asari race would itself tend toward androgyny overall. I cannot imagine that the population of Thessia is 50% alien. But I forgot. Asari need other species to reproduce. Even Harbinger thought so.

 

Bioware does not know how to design a culture.

[Treacherous J Slither]

^Troof.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I kind of view it as being in the same boat as the real world stereotype of Indians all being doctors, working in IT, or owning restaurants, and being just as untrue.

On that note the stereotype of the Asari itself is probably realistic, but they could probably do a better job of showing it to be malarkey rather than using it as a punchline.

You forgot driving cabs

[vargr1105]

None of the other species were hiding a prothean artifact
 

How many lives could've been saved had that secret been revealed earlier? For a relatively gentle ruler, they sure don't give a crap about the other species

 

 

Worse! It was the Asari that were behind the criminalization of hiding Protean artifacts in the first place. So I guess in their minds the laws do not apply to magical blue space elf chicks. What a bunch of hypocritical b*tches, he? 

 

 

Gotta love Matriarch Aethyta. Humans are an anthropocentric bag of dicks...

 

Of course. And when you look at it the Asari are an anthropocentric bag of vaginas. It works both ways and every race has its assh*oles. I am totally fine with misandrist anti-Human jokes as long as Asari lovers take our mysogynistic troglodyte humor in the chin with grace and a smile.

 

And as far as d*cks go (the organs, not the people who act like one) Aethyta has certainly done her fair share of sucking them along the centuries, and she'd probably suck that of every male on this forums...if we peddled her with enough booze or cash. Or maybe even unsolicited and for free if her own words are anything to go by.

 

 

"What can I do for you babe? Sorry no sex,I've just cleaned the bar..."

 

 

Asari "master race" "superior culture" evidenced for all to see right there. Such a grace! Such wisdom! Such female intuition and lore of the ages!

 

Man, I love this franschise! Even what sucks (figuratively and literally) about it has the silver lining of comedy gold.

 

 

Regardless of their military/artistic prowess, Asari can be considered master race due to their ability to rebuild their entire race, by just one individual existing - children of Asari are always Asari, and Asari not mixing with each other would even help it

 

1 - That is not an ability, it is an inherent trait of a species. An "ability" presuposes learning or training and the effort to aquire it. It would be like saying I, as a human, have the "ability" of being 5'6" tall.

 

And as far as inherent traits go you could make similar "master race" BS claims about the Krogan/Vorcha and their magical regeneration traits, or the Reapers and their "reach-across-the-galaxy" Indoctrination superpower.

 

2 - Big deal... The Rachni actually *have* done what you described before, several times, and even with an entire galaxy with a "SHOOT ON SIGHT! BURN IT WITH FIRE!" policy against them, and with no mate of same species or other species required.

 

So congratulations! Your analysis of what makes a "master race" puts the Asari on a level slighly below the giant space bugs.   

[Laughing_Man]

*snip*

 

Wow... you really don't like the Asari, huh? I sense that there is no point in an actual debate, so I'll abstain.

 

Coincidentally, do you like Quarians, specifically Tali?

[vargr1105]

Wow...

 

I am sorry if a amazed you in some way, it was not my intent. I was just shooting the sh*t and being humourous.

 

 

you really don't like the Asari, huh?

 

Assuming I "do not like" Asari, and what precisely you mean by it, would that be a defect on my part, or something so amazing it merits being pointed out with amazement in a public forum?

 

Yes, Tzeemtchian, people may have different opinions and tastes. It is a natural part of the human condition and there is nothing spectacular or uncommon about it. Learn to live with it.

 

 

I sense that there is no point in an actual debate, so I'll abstain.

 

So in other words, you don't want to debate those that do not agree with you. Ergo you are not interested in debate but only on supportive exchanges that agree with your thoughts. Ergo, you are being desinginous and pre-emptively trying to pass me off as the one that does not merit exchanging information with.

 

Nice try...

 

What makes you think I am, or am not, interested in "debating" Asari, or anything else? Did you perchance ask?.And who passed the law decreeing that debates are supposed to convince someone else of anything, as you seem to infer? I thought the purpose of debating was the exchange of information between parties with each choosing what to do about the newly imparted data. If you are interested in a clarification of my opinion you should just ask. If you have psychic powers and can read my mind via the internet then why did bring up debating at all?

 

Trully, the only person flat-out not "intersted in debate" here, by own assertion, is *you*. So please, would you kindly take back that onus of "there is no point" you have dumped on me?

 

 

Coincidentally, do you like Quarians, specifically Tali?.

 

I sense that there is no point in an actual debate, so I'll abstain.

 

You are contradicting yourself. *Now* you want a debate? With the guy that you deemed "pointless" to debate with?

 

So it is not ok to exchange opinions about Asari with you, but it is ok to do so about Quarians? 

[Laughing_Man]

Hmm?... Another wall of text about the Quarians? With deep analysis of my two liner and an overuse of the word "Ergo"?

 

I think that there's an extremely relevant entry in the Urban dictionary about this phenomenon. Specifically the second entry.

[Mordokai]

I considered posting something not really witty and mildly iflaming in response to vargr's post, but then I thought, what would the point be and hell no, the guy's really not worth getting another infraction for. So instead, I'll post this again.

 

 

By http://nun-witta-gun.deviantart.com/

 

Also relevant...

 

[RanetheViking]

I love how people want to get  'technical' and talk about "in game lore", and then judge these other races with Human morality, Human standards and so-called Human principals.

 

Aethyta was right, we are a bunch of "anthropocentric bag of d*cks".

[vargr1105]

Hmm?... Another wall of text about the Quarians? With deep analysis of my two liner and an overuse of the word "Ergo"?

 

I think that there's an extremely relevant entry in the Urban dictionary about this phenomenon. Specifically the second entry.

 

(You have been warned in another thread, but since this was posted before that I will let it slide.)

 

But still, I do admit you are correct in this occasion. It was a waste of time analysing anything you had to say, deeply or superficially. That's why I won't do it anymore. Funny though...how everything you won't or can't read is called a "wall of text", as if that meant anything. It is hilarious how you just use loaded terms as if they were arguments...nah, not worth analysis. I will stop wasting my time.

 

 

I considered posting something not really witty and mildly iflaming in response to vargr's post, but then I thought, what would the point be and hell no, the guy's really not worth getting another infraction for.

 

Until proven wrong I am assume I'm dealing with mature adults here who have a heathly sense of humor (yeah ok, Tzeentchian Apostrophe has signed himself of that group, but still). Wit, mild flame or funny comics are all ok with me. If you get an infraction for such it would not be because of me, rest assured.

 

I don't expect to throw sarcasm and riske jokes around and not be on the recieving end of the same.

 

But please, it's "vargr1105" or "he", not "that guy".  Nice to meet you.

 

 

Funny as heck pics there btw. And they just validate what I say. For Thessia!

 

And you know...that ending where the Reapers kill off everyone expect the Asari might just be easier to swallow than the ones we got.

 

 

I love how people want to get  'technical' and talk about "in game lore", and then judge these other races with Human morality, Human standards and so-called Human principals.

 

We are human, what are we supposed to do? Use Cat Morality and Bird principles? Maybe we could use Dog Strandards? Horse Ethics? Duck Nihilism? Cow Post-Modern Aesthetics? 

[Kukuru]

I heard asari looks changes depending the race, so humans see them with human traits, turians with turian traits, and so on.

 

Where does that rumor coming from? I don't remember any entry or comment alluding it.

[Laughing_Man]

I heard asari looks changes depending the race, so humans see them with human traits, turians with turian traits, and so on.

 

Where does that rumor coming from? I don't remember any entry or comment alluding it.

 

A conversation between a few bar patrons. It's not an actual rumor, it's more like some inebriated guy is having an "epiphany".

 

Considering that both Asari and Quarian females were designed to look appealing to whoever is interested in human females but still retain some Alien aspects, the Turian and the Salarian are obviously wrong.

[Wulfram]

It could have been quite interesting if they had explored the consequences of the idea of the Asari relying on other species to reproduce. Because the logical conclusion to that is that there barely is "Asari Space" If instead "Asari" worlds were highly diverse worlds where often the Asari might only be a plurality, and a large chunk of the Asari population lived on worlds ruled by other races, that'd be interesting, at least.

[Laughing_Man]

It could have been quite interesting if they had explored the consequences of the idea of the Asari relying on other species to reproduce. Because the logical conclusion to that is that there barely is "Asari Space" If instead "Asari" worlds were highly diverse worlds where often the Asari might only be a plurality, and a large chunk of the Asari population lived on worlds ruled by other races, that'd be interesting, at least.

 

Well, as Liara told Shepard, if Asari needed other species to reproduce, how did they survive up to first contact?

[Wulfram]

Well, as Liara told Shepard, if Asari needed other species to reproduce, how did they survive up to first contact?

I said, rely, not need. They don't need other species to reproduce, but according to the lore they do mostly rely on them, apparently for cultural reasons.

[MrStoob]

The undercurrents of asari politics mentioned by Aethyta during ME2 were interesting, that there are factions who would rather close borders and live apart from the rest of the galaxy, not for reasons of superiority but that conflict is inevitable so don't invite it.  That was kind of supported by what happened with the Thessia beacon, that there are still those in power who would keep something in reserve, just in case.  "We would." -Miranda Lawson

[MrStoob]

 

We are human, what are we supposed to do? Use Cat Morality and Bird principles? Maybe we could use Dog Strandards? Horse Ethics? Duck Nihilism? Cow Post-Modern Aesthetics? 

As with most ethical 'posers', I find that 'suspension of disbelief' works quite well.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The undercurrents of asari politics mentioned by Aethyta during ME2 were interesting, that there are factions who would rather close borders and live apart from the rest of the galaxy, not for reasons of superiority but that conflict is inevitable so don't invite it. That was kind of supported by what happened with the Thessia beacon, that there are still those in power who would keep something in reserve, just in case. "We would." -Miranda Lawson

Conflict is always inevitable. Even among the asari. Their exceptional martial prowess makes this obvious.

The close borders faction is just being xenophobic or simply tired of dealing with crap from non asari.

[Treacherous J Slither]

@vargr1105:

Asari have telepathic sex so Atheyta was obviously telling a joke meant for a race that is not her own.

[Metalfros]

There's this guys called Quarian Master Race that disagrees with you. I do too actually. Asari's are Protheans 2.0.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In the refuse ending, the next cycle woke up Liara inside one of the archives....

 

"Pyjak, Raloi, Varren. I am surrounded by primitives."

 

"In my cycle we used to eat varren skewers. They were a delicacy."

 

"Pyjaks were vermin that used to steal food."