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What is this I'm hearing about people giving a modder crap for making a Cassandra female romance mod?


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Yes, some are vague, but I think one or two are obvious enough for Cassandra, Josephine and Sera, and Cullen ( didn't try on other characters, but it's likely it's the same ). For Sera, the flirt in the tavern was pretty clear to me, and she clearly understood the meaning even if it wouldn't be considered as a ' serious ' flirt. And I am sure she understood when I see the difference with a female inquisitor where she is a bit excited.

I can confirm that Cassandra's flirts are all pretty obvious (except perhaps for the very first one). She usually laughs it out but she does get it. 

 

By contrast, quite a few of Josie's flirts were tame (or so I thought).



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Cassandra: *stammering* The flirting. With me. I have... noticed it. Unless it is all in my head, which is possible.

 

^her dialogue in response to the flirting. She notices that the Inquisitor may be flirting with her, but she herself doesn't know if the Inquisitor is actually flirting or not.



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That was a bit weird to have exactly the same cinematic until she turn the female inquisitor down. With a male inquisitor I thought it was her face where you can see she has feelings for you, she is conflicted and all, and she happens to have exactly the same face when she talks to the female inquisitor  until she turns her down; :blink:  

 

Yea, the facial animations were a bit weird for that scene



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Sorry I am conflicted.I am solely against modding..

 

I don't wish people get bullied either.. To quote Alistair.. "that just seems so excessive". 

 

But at the same time, I'm glad to see the mod get a rebuke. To at least spark this debate. Because I like talking about the things at stake with these issues. I care about setting and story integrity. And I want others to as well. I WANT players to be overridden and to play by a world's conditions and rules. It's always assumed these days that the player rules over everything. I disagree. Games are not necessarily better the more customization and options and modifications you put in. Options are put high on a pedestal. When I think "vision" needs to be there. Where creators rule. 

 

But it's just an opinion in the end. I don't wish to silence people. I just won't mourn when they are silenced.


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Yea, the facial animations were a bit weird for that scene

Facial animations are weird in a lot of scenes.



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I can confirm that Cassandra's flirts are all pretty obvious (except perhaps for the very first one). She usually laughs it out but she does get it. 

 

By contrast, quite a few of Josie's flirts were tame.

 

Yeah, Cassandra even disapproves one flirt, the one where you imply that you want to get closer to her when she is asking you why you want to know her more. 

 

For Josie, I don't know. I don't get how she cannot understand or at least imagine that my character could be interested. It was obvious to me. I mean come on, I insisted.



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 That was DAO. Modding has been a thing of the past for them since DA2. And especially now with Frostbite. Practically a different company. DAO was made right on the cusp of the EA buyout.

 

It actually seems to be more of a cost issue for Inquisition and for being on the Frostbite engine making modding problematic and not necessarily because of EA.

 

"Although Cameron Lee stated that they have “looked into” mod support, it may be too difficult to develop due to the Frostbite 3. “Dragon Age 3: Inquisition” is the first video game of the series to be built on the graphics engine, which was created by Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment.

 

Even with the challenge of implementing the feature, Cameron Lee left open a small possibility of mod support for “Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.” He also hinted that they want to streamline the modding process so that all of their fans, not just the hardcore developers, could use the tools."

 

http://www.examiner....ial-mod-support

 

Granted, this is from an early on interview, but I've read a few twitter threads where the Devs briefly mentioned that the mods were not entirely off the table, just that it wasn't very financially feasible to make it available to all fans and not just hardcore techies. I'm not tech savvy enough to be able to hunt through the threads on Twitter to find specifics, but if another mention comes up, I'll be sure to bookmark it.  :)

 

Even Mike Laidlaw who stated that they do not plan to support mods at this time, doesn't come out against them.  He just states that he 'never underestimates the moxie of modders.'

 

http://www.gamerhead...-mods-progress/

EA, as a corporation, may or may not be against mods, I am unsure.  I don't follow them and have not been inclined to research their habits to date. I do know that they had mods available from their community in their free marketplace, granted that most of them were just appearance, but still.



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Facial animations are weird in a lot of scenes.

 

That's also true lol

 

I do agree that the scene felt like it was Cassandra just confronting you about the flirting which gives you the chance to initiate the romance if you was the male Inquisitor 



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Yeah, Cassandra even disapproves one flirt, the one where you imply that you want to get closer to her when she is asking you why you want to know her more. 

 

For Josie, I don't know. I don't get how she cannot understand or at least imagine that my character could be interested. It was obvious to me. I mean come on, I insisted.

 

She only disapproves on that flirt if you've clashed a bit.. low rep early in the game. High rep early on won't get it.


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Yeah, Cassandra even disapproves one flirt, the one where you imply that you want to get closer to her when she is asking you why you want to know her more. 

 

For Josie, I don't know. I don't get how she cannot understand or at least imagine that my character could be interested. It was obvious to me. I mean come on, I insisted.

 

Girls too much of a workaholic to notice lol :P


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It actually seems to be more of a cost issue for Inquisition and for being on the Frostbite engine making modding problematic and not necessarily because of EA.

 

"Although Cameron Lee stated that they have “looked into” mod support, it may be too difficult to develop due to the Frostbite 3. “Dragon Age 3: Inquisition” is the first video game of the series to be built on the graphics engine, which was created by Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment.

 

Even with the challenge of implementing the feature, Cameron Lee left open a small possibility of mod support for “Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.” He also hinted that they want to streamline the modding process so that all of their fans, not just the hardcore developers, could use the tools."

 

http://www.examiner....ial-mod-support

 

Granted, this is from an early on interview, but I've read a few twitter threads where the Devs briefly mentioned that the mods were not entirely off the table, just that it wasn't very financially feasible to make it available to all fans and not just hardcore techies. I'm not tech savvy enough to be able to hunt through the threads on Twitter to find specifics, but if another mention comes up, I'll be sure to bookmark it.  :)

 

Even Mike Laidlaw who stated that they do not plan to support mods at this time, doesn't come out against them.  He just states that he 'never underestimates the moxie of modders.'

 

http://www.gamerhead...-mods-progress/

EA, as a corporation, may or may not be against mods, I am unsure.  I don't follow them and have not been inclined to research their habits to date. I do know that they had mods available from their community in their free marketplace, granted that most of them were just appearance, but still.

Not all mods are created equal.

 

It's one thing to make a mod to change the color of the Inquisitor's uniform or add Cloud's Buster Sword, it's quite another to started editing character traits.



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What exactly was said to this modder?

 

Criticism of her work is fair, while personal insults are not. But without reading what some of those comments were, I can't decide whether or not they fall within the realm of criticism or harassment. Without more information it's impossible to say whether this is a case of online bullying or a modder being oversensitive to negative feedback.

 

I've criticized MEHEM lots of times. I may have even said it was was worse than the original endings to ME3 once or thrice. But I've got nothing against the modder who created it or the people who play it, and I wouldn't consider that criticism of MEHEM to fall within the realm of harassment. So with this I'm a little hesitant to jump on the #TeamWhoever bandwagon, unless I get more details about what prompted the deleted mod & twitter(?) account.



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Not all mods are created equal.

 

It's one thing to make a mod to change the color of the Inquisitor's uniform or add Cloud's Buster Sword, it's quite another to started editing character traits.

 

Yeah, that level of modding is basically trying to be the writer. When we clearly are not. Nor intended to be.. like in NWN/NWN2. I think they'll make an announcement if they want to give the player that power again.

 

We are the players/characters. Not the GMs.



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What exactly was said to this modder?

 

Criticism of her work is fair, while personal insults are not. But without reading what some of those comments were, I can't decide whether or not they fall within the realm of criticism or harassment. Without more information it's impossible to say whether this is a case of online bullying or a modder being oversensitive to negative feedback.

 

Ehh, I don't think it was as bad as people are making it out to be. As far as I saw on tumblr all it was about was some poster saying the modder was rapping cassandra, and I can sort of see there point. And then the modded got all boohoo over-reaction, as per usual for tumblr



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Sorry I am conflicted.I am solely against modding..

 

What exactly was said to this modder?

 

Criticism of her work is fair, while personal insults are not. But without reading what some of those comments were, I can't decide whether or not they fall within the realm of criticism or harassment. Without more information it's impossible to say whether this is a case of online bullying or a modder being oversensitive to negative feedback.

 

The modmaker said on Nexusmods that she took the mod down because people called her names. She did not specify where.

 

The death threats/rape threats harassment rumours appeared almost immediately thereafter. The only interactions with her that I saw were her posts on BSN. She was clearly upset that anyone was criticizing her mod, and equated it with criticizing her, personally. I considered the discussion of her mod pretty civil, and I did not see anyone insult her or call her names. She departed after two posts, and deleted her mod shortly after that.

 

I don't know what may have happened on Twitter or tumblr. I have serious reservations about having criticism or discussion of the mod equated with bullying and harassment.


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Not all mods are created equal.

 

It's one thing to make a mod to change the color of the Inquisitor's uniform or add Cloud's Buster Sword, it's quite another to started editing character traits.

 

And this is where we will need to agree to disagree. 

 

The mod in question only opens the game up for further exploration of current game content.  I don't find any issue with it, as I am sure is apparent. I've read and considered the arguments against and find they have little in them that would make me rethink my stance. Nor do I think anything I can say will alter yours.

 

People laying claim to stories and making them their own has been going on since before the tales of Gilgamesh and Enkidu were first scribed.  Long ago, people adopted and tailored heroic tales to their culture.

 

The fact that people would wish to adopt this game and pour so much free energy and work into adding to it is only a testament to how much they love the game. I, fo one, do hope modders continue to do their thing.

 

If it's a mod I like, I'll use it.  If it's not, I'll move on.   


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And this is where we will need to agree to disagree. 

 

The mod in question only opens the game up for further exploration of current game content.  I don't find any issue with it, as I am sure is apparent. I've read and considered the arguments against and find they have little in them that would make me rethink my stance. Nor do I think anything I can say will alter yours.

 

People laying claim to stories and making them their own has been going on since before the tales of Gilgamesh and Enkidu were first scribed.  Long ago, people adopted and tailored heroic tales to their culture.

 

The fact that people would wish to adopt this game and pour so much free energy and work into adding to it is only a testament to how much they love the game. I, fo one, do hope modders continue to do their thing.

 

If it's a mod I like, I'll use it.  If it's not, I'll move on.   

 

Gilgamesh was released before copyrights and lawyers. Silly proto-babylonians. :P

 

Then again, maybe they had it good. I dunno.

 

Seriously though. If you want to explore it, why not explore it as intended? With another playthrough? If you care about the content enough to explore, then care about the writer who created said content, and wanted it viewed a certain way. It's all one package.



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What exactly was said to this modder?

 

Criticism of her work is fair, while personal insults are not. But without reading what some of those comments were, I can't decide whether or not they fall within the realm of criticism or harassment. Without more information it's impossible to say whether this is a case of online bullying or a modder being oversensitive to negative feedback.

 

I've criticized MEHEM lots of times. I may have even said it was was worse than the original endings to ME3 once or thrice. But I've got nothing against the modder who created it or the people who play it, and I wouldn't consider that criticism of MEHEM to fall within the realm of harassment. So with this I'm a little hesitant to jump on the #TeamWhoever bandwagon, unless I get more details about what prompted the deleted mod & twitter(?) account.

 

According to this thread: https://twitter.com/...541713418944513 the modder was attacked in a very personal way.


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Apparently the mod is back.

 

http://www.reddit.co...een_reuploaded/

 

 

Just wait until someone uploads a virus as a mod. This will pretty much ruin the mod's reputation.



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Eh Dorian is definitely saucy, even after he comes out as gay, but nothing as personal as hand holding.

 

I don't remember any hand holding.
 



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Gilgamesh was released before copyrights and lawyers. Silly proto-babylonians. :P

 

Then again, maybe they had it good. I dunno.

 

Seriously though. If you want to explore it, why not explore it as intended? With another playthrough? If you care about the content enough to explore, then care about the writer who created said content, and wanted it viewed a certain way.

 

There are reasons why someone may not desire to explore heterosexual content.  Just as there are reasons some people do not desire to explore homosexual content. My reasons for being uncomfortable with that are very personal and still traumatic.

 

I have tried and tried and tried to play through the arcs before as the gender type specified for the character and it does not work.  Not yet. Not for me. It may never be an option, I'm pretty old and the triggers are still pretty bright.  <_<

 

OTOH, I doubt the creator cares whether I want to explore a gay romantic interest with Cassandra.  The creator, however, may be impressed that I liked their writing enough to learn how to download a mod, put it into my game, experience the hilarious breaking of immersion when she refers to my female character as a he, all in order to experience the magic of their dialogue and the way in which they unfold small character details in that part of the story.


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Apparently the mod is back.

 

http://www.reddit.co...een_reuploaded/

 

 

Just wait until someone uploads a virus as a mod. This will pretty much ruin the mod's reputation.

If anyone lurking here is actually interested in using the mod and wants to download from where the modder reposted it, send a PM to me and I'll share.



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There are reasons why someone may not desire to explore heterosexual content.  Just as there are reasons some people do not desire to explore homosexual content. My reasons for being uncomfortable with that are very personal and still traumatic.

 

I have tried and tried and tried to play through the arcs before as the gender type specified for the character and it does not work.  Not yet. Not for me. It may never be an option, I'm pretty old and the triggers are still pretty bright.  <_<

 

OTOH, I doubt the creator cares whether I want to explore a gay romantic interest with Cassandra.  The creator, however, may be impressed that I liked their writing enough to learn how to download a mod, put it into my game, experience the hilarious breaking of immersion when she refers to my female character as a he, all in order to experience the magic of their dialogue and the way in which they unfold small character details in that part of the story.

 

This doesn't compute to me.. Well, not entirely. If you don't want to explore heterosexual content, then why care about hetero characters romance at all? It's part of who they are too. And same goes for other sexualities. You can't seperate it.

 

Also, I hate seeing Cass reduced to "content". I use that word sometimes myself, so I'm not attacking you. It's just a lame word for literature or art or films. Content is something to be consumed. She's not real, of course, but she's a  dynamic character. Not some theme park ride. She needs to be seen on more realistic, personal terms. Or rather, all characters do. And as characters, you wouldn't want to change her sexuality. It's not right. When you think of her as merely content, it brings a level of detachment to it.. where it encourages using these characters for our whims. Like ingredients for some food recipe.


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Eh Dorian is definitely saucy, even after he comes out as gay, but nothing as personal as hand holding.

 

:lol:  He did tell my  female qunari inky that he so loved watching her leave.



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