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[Shadow Fox]

No, some people have become completely insane about matters involving sex. Everything is political, everything is a representation issue, everything is a matter for identity politics. And people wonder why I hate identity politics. Live and let live, damn it! Let people make the mods to games they prefer, and let them use the mods they prefer.

 

I'm tempted to make a bi Dorian mod just to spite those assh*les.

A fair amount of people did complain about modders changing Alistair and Morrigan's sexuality actually.

[Ieldra]

^It depends on the tone. You can ask whether it is, perhaps, somewhat tasteless to mod a character created and written by someone else. You can debate it and I understand how someone can hold that position. As a writer, I would probably dislike it quite a bit, too, if it happened to one of my characters. It should, however, not be treated as a political matter if it isn't presented as such, and people claiming the moral high ground over something like this and condemning others for modding a game is just ridiculous. IMO, the only one who can justifiedly complain about this is the writer.

[Arbiter156]

^ I agree, if I had written Cassandra I would wince a little at this. Bioware has said before the reason they write the way they do is more for it to seem realistic as opposed to DA2 where everyone hit on everyone.

[Bizantura]

 I think it is sad that personal preference is scrutenized to such a degree and only social group think is allowed.  Having a personality is onder heavy attack, I have no intention of becoming an atomaton programmed by the masses.  Respect is all good and well but throwing out respect too oneself is the baddest thing one can do because without it you can't have respect to another, you need empathy for that.  If you yourself does not exist there is no empathy possible and thus no respect.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

While I tolerate and accept these mods on the basis that at the end of the day, it is an individual's own game and they can do whatever they want with it. And because of that, I won't bother postiing messages on the mod's nexus page, etc, as I can always ignore the mod.

 

However.

 

By posting about it on the more "public" areas of BSN or the Cassandra character discussion thread, you open the subject up for commentary and debate. And when you do that, don't be surprised to see that the reaction to a mod such as this being extremly negative from people. Perhaps because these are the worst sort of mods, the ones that feels as if they spit at the writers intentions and the spirit of the character they made for the sake of simple player gratification. It gets worse when mods such as these inevitably leads to fans of them demanding Bioware making it canon, as at that point people are trying to hijack Bioware's story.

[Scerene]

i read about this recently and i find it sickening. For those who have the nerve to support this kind of behavior. Who gives a rats behind what you agree or dont agree with.  Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to download the mod. Im pretty sure you wouldnt be happy if somebody ran off modders whose work you do like. gtfo with this bs. Modders have the right to mod any damn part of the game they desire, just as people who download them have the right to enjoy them. You dont like it? there are two very simple buttons one called "x" and the other "back" that you can click on to avoid seeing things you dont like. Now i understand that doing so, considering your level of function and lack of intellect, is veeeeery difficult and requires a great deal of effort, but please do try, and gtfo with your as'shattery, kthxbai.

[Ash Wind]

I don't understand the rage, its really quite stupid. As a straight male, I romanced Cassie. So what if someone made a mod that makes her Bi. It doesn't involve me or my game, nor does it take away from my experience. If people can mod things to get a result they would like to see, so effin what, I won't use this mod, it has no effect on my game what-so-ever, so why should I care???????

 

Sadly, far too many people feel the need to insert themselves and their beliefs on others. If you don't approve of the mod that makes Cassie Bi, here's a thought **GASP** ... then don't use it. If you don't use it, you have your safe little world state in tact and can go on with your life. Quit trying to impose your correct version of the world on to others.

[Scerene]

While I tolerate and accept these mods on the basis that at the end of the day, it is an individual's own game and they can do whatever they want with it. And because of that, I won't bother postiing messages on the mod's nexus page, etc, as I can always ignore the mod.

 

However.

 

By posting about it on the more "public" areas of BSN or the Cassandra character discussion thread, you open the subject up for commentary and debate. And when you do that, don't be surprised to see that the reaction to a mod such as this being extremly negative from people. Perhaps because these are the worst sort of mods, the ones that feels as if they spit at the writers intentions and the spirit of the character they made for the sake of simple player gratification. It gets worse when mods such as these inevitably leads to fans of them demanding Bioware making it canon, as at that point people are trying to hijack Bioware's story.

wtf are you babbling about ? with that reasoning any modding is a "spit on the writers intentions". You can dislike something but harrassing people and forcing them to take down stuff, including their own blogs goes far beyond any level of reasonable, peeps like that need serious medical attention. Games in general are made for player gratification, if they werent gratifying to you, would you buy them? How the hell did you go from her posting a simple mod to demanding something be made cannon? if anything a mod like this reduces those types of demands.

[Laughing_Man]

Yup. When I was young and naive, I thought that progressive thinking was the opposite of tyranny.

 

Looks like I was wrong. All hail the SJW empire!

 

Frack that. If only I knew how to mod...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

wtf are you babbling about you? with that reasoning any modding is a "spit on the writers intentions". You can dislike something but harrassing people and forcing them to take down stuff, including their own blogs goes far beyond any level of reasonable, peeps like that need serious medical attention. Games in general are made for player gratification, if they werent gratifying to you, would you buy them?

 

I'm not harassing anybody, like I said, I don't bother posting messages on the mod's board or send emails to its author. I have not harrased either the author or the users of this mod, nor have I supported the actions of those that do.

 

And yes, with that reasoning taken an extreme, one could hate all modding, but I don't. I am all for modding, but when it comes to games that are very story and character focused I believe a certain amount of respect from the fans should be expected. I am just going to quote the user Streetmagic two posts from this thread because he puts it better than I do.

 

 

 

What I really care about is storytelling, creative ownership, world building and consistency.. and I hate the latent, piggish consumerism that stands out when it comes to mods like this. It tells me that people care more about feeding their own whims, rather than being fans of how the rules of a fictional world/character works. It's player centric. Not world centric. So this isn't really a justice issue to me. Just more about hating on the consumer mentality.

 

 

(...)

I understand the excuse that "this is just a game".. 

 

To a point. I understand it. 

 

But the thing is, these aren't just games. They're stories. I see no reason to modify it than I would a novel or film. It's someone else's creation. Not my little sandbox, not my story, and the characters aren't my personal toys.

 

I prefer a certain level of respect for the story.Else you have little left that sets Dragon Age apart. It's not Skyrim. The story is mostly what it offers. Take it away and there's little left. Turning it's characters to suit your every desire just puts too much priority over the player perspective, rather than the storytelling perspective. Its ultimately self centered.. (...)

 

It should be enough that the player perspective is catered to within the confines of your own character. Yet people want more.. "More more more. Customize everything! The world is ours!" I hate this. The characters might not be real, but I think for art's sake, they deserve some type of respect.

 

(...)

 

So i am quite okay with mods that change gameplay or the looks of the inquisitor's casual clothes for example. I don't think either of those play an important role in the story's themes or is part of a character's characterization. 

[d-boy15]

"Not like this kind of mod" is not the same as "Agree with those A-Hole who attack mod creator" peoples seem to mixed both up.

 

Beside while harassing and post threat to mod creator are something no one should agree with, criticize the mod is entirely different.

If mod creator publish it to public then it's inevitably got people attention and reaction. If you can take an applaud from those who

like it then you need to be able to accept the criticism from people who don't like it as well. Internet is a jungle not a flower garden.

 

Also, I'm surprise a bit about sh_t storm... this kind of mod always happen in bioware game, nothing new here. I even expect it to

come sooner than this.

[Seraphim24]

This is pretty weird, on the one hand, I can't understand why a modder would go through the trouble of changing a strictly superficial element like orientation on a character.

 

On the other hand, I can't understand why people would go through the trouble of bothering to care about something so trivial as someone changing a pretty strictly superficial element of a character.

 

The answer is pretty obvious to me, this is about something else entirely, but since I'm neither of the above two people, I don't actually know what this is about.

 

Anyone want to tell me what the real issue is?

[Demonique]

That's all fine and dandy, but don't go to the fan thread of that character to brag about your new "creation," because the people there like/love the original creation that came from the writer/artist.

 

The character threads are for ALL fans of that character not just for the fans of the canon romance

 

And some of the people in that thread are quite horrible, calling the creator of the mod a 'deviant pervert' and saying she brought the harassment on herself for creating the mod in the first place

[Demonique]

4rlz

 

 

Awww, I was expecting some funnyness due to the height difference between MShep and FShep like Ashley kissing FemShep's nose in her bi romance mod

[Fiery Phoenix]

Awww, I was expecting some funnyness due to the height difference between MShep and FShep like Ashley kissing FemShep's nose in her bi romance mod

MaleShep's female animations are still funny though.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Is funny that a LGBT character gets modded to change sexuality & people say "its just a mod, don't use if you don't like" but a mod changing a straight character to bi angers people enough to say that the modder "provoked" the people harassing her by creating it & she shouldn't have made it if she didn't want the hate & threats, & anyone who disagrees is seemingly a "SJW"

[Demonique]

Can someone with an account there please show her the link to this thread.  She needs to know the world isn't all doom and gloom and she has pLENTY of supporters.  I didn't get a chance to read the nexus comments but I'm guessing most of her haters are either on twitter or are harassing her privately, like the cowards that they are.  Show her the light.  We will NEVER be overwhelmed or oppressed by narrow minded haters.

 

They've also been really supportive on Reddit - http://www.reddit.co..._to_harassment/

[Steelcan]

*checks to make sure I don't suddenly care*

 

yep still good

 

 

Obviously the mod maker shouldn't be getting death and rape threats, but I am also baffled at people who take them seriously

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And some of the people in that thread are quite horrible, calling the creator of the mod a 'deviant pervert' 

 

I only saw one person say that. If someone else said it since I last checked in, then I still wouldn't characterize the thread, or the discussion, by the actions of the few.

 

and saying she brought the harassment on herself for creating the mod in the first place

 

I did not see anyone say that.

[Steelcan]

You had to check that?

One must make sure they aren't being corrupted by the filth of BSN

[ThreeF]

Obviously the mod maker shouldn't be getting death and rape threats, but I am also baffled at people who take them seriously

Depends  on person making those thread, you never know whenever someone is crazy enough to go beyond words.

[Steelcan]

Depends  on person making those thread, you never know whenever someone is crazy enough to go beyond words.

if they are on the internet ranting about video games I am willing to bet their actual motivation for carrying out said threats is minimal.