Again, you are talking to yourself. I did not suggest that one can avoid all risks. What I said was that I see why someone would be worry about threats and that I understand why someone would want to minimize their exposure to it and that's about it.
Actually, I'm talking to you. Hence the quoted posts.
"Even 1% of it not being just words" is not something one says if they understand risks.
I'm not sure some writers would appreciate their characters sexuality being modded and turned into ammunition just to spite people.
I don't care that people use the mod, but I think they should at least have some respect for the writer and the character (and yes, I realize said characters aren't real, but the writers certainly are).
Cassandra's writer has repeatedly expressed indifference to how people mod their games, including with respect to characters' sexual orientations.I remember a dev ranting about something similar on Twitter
I'm sure that's exactly what Greg Ellis intended to happen. I know my first thought when I hear "smother her/him with kindness" is "threat them with death!" and harassment.
jumping jesus on a pogo stick, wtf is wrong with people.
Wasn't that his wife? i remember hearing that most people thought he was joking about it till he put pictures up
She was his girlfriend.
She was his girlfriend.
Cassandra's writer has repeatedly expressed indifference to how people mod their games, including with respect to characters' sexual orientations.
Was this on his tumblr?
Was this on his tumblr?
I think it was
Cassandra's writer has repeatedly expressed indifference to how people mod their games, including with respect to characters' sexual orientations.
Actually, I'm talking to you. Hence the quoted posts.
"Even 1% of it not being just words" is not something one says if they understand risks.
*sights* Understanding the concept of probabilities and risks and understanding why even a small risk can be deemed worrisome to someone are not the same thing.
You are talking on a theoretical level of it happening, I'm talking about the consequences of the off chance of it actually happening, whenever this chance is small or not is irrelevant to the fact that some people might find it worrisome and/or unneeded risk no matter how tiny.
While the concept of 1 in 100 is theoretical, the implications of potential consequences of it no matter the percentage are practical. You can't dictate the importance of the implications to someone on the basis of statistics, not everyone will be willing to see things this clinically and definitely not about every risk there is.
Cassandra's writer has repeatedly expressed indifference to how people mod their games, including with respect to characters' sexual orientations.
That may be true, but it doesn't mean that they would approve of someone doing it with the specific intent of spiting people.
Possibly -- I'm thinking of some comments on twitter in early/mid December, when the current fandom shitstorm was "Hypothetical Bi Dorian Mod", right before "Dummied-Out Cullen and Solas M/M Sound Files" took over.Was this on his tumblr?
Agreed. I wasn't disagreeing with that part of the post, I was just saying that the possibility that the writers' feelings are being hurt is not (in this particular case) justification to be upset about optional mods that don't affect canon, since he's said he doesn't care.That may be true, but it doesn't mean that they would approve of doing it specifically with the intent of spiting people.
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Cassandra's writer has repeatedly expressed indifference to how people mod their games, including with respect to characters' sexual orientations.
He also tweeted on why some "Characters have to justify being straight"
I went back 25 pages to that discussion to find it, and nothing was there. If it existed at one point, it was deleted.
While I believe she may have gotten hate...I am skeptical about Tumblr. I'm on Tumblr and all I saw were people embracing the mod.
I saw no hate for it.
Tumblr is a place where straight people are hated. I see far more of that than anything else.
And while I agree some straight people deserve it...Tumblr has taken it too far. I wish she would have taken screenshots of the hate she got on Tumblr
It doesn't mean the blame should be placed on the person with good intentions, over (or in addition to) the dicks who use it as opportunity to act dickish.This is the internet generation, people tend to act more dickish thx to technology separating them from physical contact with victims, a good reason to not give out peoples personal details since people won't use them with good intentions in mind
He also tweeted on why some "Characters have to justify being straight"
He also tweeted on why some "Characters have to justify being straight"
Right, but he was referring to canon in that case. I'm completely in favor of characters having a range of canon sexualities that are not exclusively bi or pan. But this thread is about fanworks. Telling people that it's offensive for them to imagine a character being different from how they actually are in their fanart/fanfiction/mods/LARPing/whatever strikes me as kind of petty. I'm personally never going to seek it out, but (1) I'm in a position of privilege because my favorite character is interested in my gender so I don't have to worry about that and (2) harassing other people for making it is a jerk move.
This has been: like the fifty thousandth repetition of either this or the opposing viewpoint in this thread. Sorry to contribute to the broken record.
Possibly -- I'm thinking of some comments on twitter in early/mid December, when the current fandom shitstorm was "Hypothetical Bi Dorian Mod", right before "Dummied-Out Cullen and Solas M/M Sound Files" took over.
Agreed. I wasn't disagreeing with that part of the post, I was just saying that the possibility that the writers' feelings are being hurt is not (in this particular case) justification to be upset about optional mods that don't affect canon, since he's said he doesn't care.
(edited for clarity)
Ok, I hate sifting through twitter so I'll just take your word on it. Though it looks like we agree on them probably being a little grumbly about using mods to spite people, which is probably the biggest issue that I have with that case, not that people are doing it in general.
I'll never use it, since as I stated earlier how awkward it would play out on my screen would take me out of the moment. I'd rather just read fanfiction about that sort of thing.
While I believe she may have gotten hate...I am skeptical about Tumblr. I'm on Tumblr and all I saw were people embracing the mod.
I saw no hate for it.
This is what has me very confused about all of this. There is a lot of extreme reaction to what was said to her, and yet no one has actually seen what it was. In the world of social media, making these things disappear is nearly impossible.
There was one comment that referred to the mod as "raping Cassandra's sexuality," which has apparently been deleted (by the moderators, I presume.) I saw what happened on BSN in real-time. You and others saw what happened on tumblr in real-time. And yet no one who did has any recollection of harassment.
I'm very confused as to how this translated into death-threats, threats of rape, and harassment, when even the modmaker herself does not actually say that any of those things happened. She only referred to being called names, and to having been accused of "technical rape," which I actually think must have been a reference to the now-deleted post on BSN.
I'm very confused as to how this translated into death-threats, threats of rape, and harassment, when even the modmaker herself does not actually say that any of those things happened. She only referred to being called names, and to having been accused of "technical rape," which I actually think must have been a reference to the now-deleted post on BSN.
it won't be the first time things get blown up out of proportions.
* comments are made on person's mod pageThis is what has me very confused about all of this. There is a lot of extreme reaction to what was said to her, and yet no one has actually seen what it was. In the world of social media, making these things disappear is nearly impossible.
That was DAO. Modding has been a thing of the past for them since DA2. And especially now with Frostbite. Practically a different company. DAO was made right on the cusp of the EA buyout.
Yes because they were bought out by EA, you honestly think EA would let Bioware release a tool that allowed players create free content?
it won't be the first time things get blown up out of proportions.
Wouldn't be Bioware's fanbase without it
Wouldn't be Bioware's fanbase without it
Nah, it's an universal rule of rumors and drama.
* comments are made on person's mod page
* comments are sent privately to the author
* mod page gets deleted
(for what's worth, the person in question says she received lot of negative anon messages on tumblr as well)
But even her statements about it do not support the idea that she was given death threats or rape threats.
I was unaware that it wasn't possible to set one's privacy and block settings to protect against these things on tumblr, or on NexusMods. I am not familiar with the use of those sites. If deleting the mod was the only way to remove negative comments and prevent new ones, then it makes sense to have done so.
there you go, the supposedly impossible thing in the world of social media. Since the whole drama erupted after it was pulled I doubt anyone was archiving comments before it happened.
I didn't say it was impossible to do so, I said that it was nearly impossible to do so. In fact, given the extent to which most of the internet is archived, even deleted items are almost always still in existence somewhere. Items on BSN, for example, are not (or extremely rarely) actually deleted. They are simply moved to a forum called "BioHazard," which only staff and moderators have access to. And, in many cases, they are archived by third party individuals, and can still be accessed.
This is what has me very confused about all of this. There is a lot of extreme reaction to what was said to her, and yet no one has actually seen what it was. In the world of social media, making these things disappear is nearly impossible.
There was one comment that referred to the mod as "raping Cassandra's sexuality," which has apparently been deleted (by the moderators, I presume.) I saw what happened on BSN in real-time. You and others saw what happened on tumblr in real-time. And yet no one who did has any recollection of harassment.
I'm very confused as to how this translated into death-threats, threats of rape, and harassment, when even the modmaker herself does not actually say that any of those things happened. She only referred to being called names, and to having been accused of "technical rape," which I actually think must have been a reference to the now-deleted post on BSN.
If it was me I would have taken screenshots of all the hate I received and posted it. I've have friends who have gotten both anonymous and non anonymous hate on Tumblr and they've always taken screenshots of it.
I saw some remarks here and I don't doubt she likely received some hate but I saw nothing on Tumblr. That mod was already getting love there.
But even her statements about it do not support the idea that she was given death threats or rape threats.
I was unaware that it wasn't possible to set one's privacy and block settings to protect against these things on tumblr, or on NexusMods. I am not familiar with the use of those sites.
And I didn't say it was impossible to do so, I said that it was nearly impossible to do so. In fact, given the extent to which most of the internet is archived, even deleted items are almost always still in existence somewhere. Items on BSN, for example, are not (or extremely rarely) actually deleted. They are simply moved to a forum called "BioHazard," which only staff and moderators have access to. And, in many cases, they are archived by third party individuals, and can still be accessed.
On Tumblr...you just turn anonymous off but I've known people who have received hate non anonymously there. I think that rape comment got seriously miscontrued. And Nexus is VERY strict about stuff like that. I know an Origins modder who had some experiences there but they got dealt with quickly.
With the way Social Media is...its very easy to take screenshots and document the hate you receive.
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