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[Sylvius the Mad]

People need a reason to voice how they feel about a mod now?

No, they need a reason to feel that way.

And people rarely do.

[AresKeith]

No, they need a reason to feel that way.

And people rarely do.

 

 

[tmp7704]

What's the difference between suggesting changes to the narrative and suggesting changes to the crafting system, the combat system, etc? Both are suggesting changes to an artists' vision.

Changes to narrative (specifically, changes to characters) can be perceived differently because there's likely to be real people who identify with these characters, see them as someone who is like themselves. When a character is changed, such person may perceive it, effectively, as a message that the way they are is less desirable than the modification; a personal critique.

In contrast, crafting, combat etc are like you note, mechanical systems. Personal identification with such systems afaict doesn't really happen, and no one gets personally offended by changes made to them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

 

Haha, this is perfect.

[Qun00]

I'd bet that making Sera straight would cause a much greater uproar.

Because, you know, everything is worse when a man does it.

[AresKeith]

I'd bet that making Sera straight would cause a much greater uproar.

Because, you know, everything is worse when a man does it.

 

I can guarantee that, because there was a massive uproar when the Cortez/Traynor mod happened 

[Grieving Natashina]

I'd bet that making Sera straight would cause a much greater uproar.

Because, you know, everything is worse when a man does it.

For some.   I'm LGBT, a feminist and a fan of Sera.  If someone made a mod like that, I'd do what I always do with optional content I don't care for: Ignore it.  Life's too short for me to give a crap if someone wants to romance a character that way or not.  I'm betting I'm not alone, despite what you might read on most social media sites.  

 

Besides, the point has been missed that Cassandra was turned bisexual, not into a lesbian.  The modder meant well and wanted to open up more options for lesbians and bisexual women characters (and players).  At this point, a "Straight Sera" mod would be closing off the intended audience (the lesbian PC) all together.  A "Bisexual Sera" mod would probably get the same amount of (over) attention that this mod has.  I think it's a bunch of angry noise over nothing.

 

For your second statement, as someone that is pretty close to the straight men in her life, not usually.  

[Killdren88]

I'd bet that making Sera straight would cause a much greater uproar.

Because, you know, everything is worse when a man does it.

 

Well everyone knows that us straight white males are in fact worse than the devil...That's what Tumblr tells me anyway.

[AresKeith]

Well everyone knows that us straight white males are in fact worse than the devil...That's what Tumblr tells me anyway.

 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd bet that making Sera straight would cause a much greater uproar.

Because, you know, everything is worse when a man does it.

Oh, without a doubt. Same as there would being a larger uproar if they made say Vivienne white compared to if they made Cullen black. 

 

If you are changing someone away from being heterosexual, white, and/or male, it is deemed acceptable. Do anything that makes someone more like that, then it is despicable. 

 

The double standards and hypocrisy are outstanding. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Well everyone knows that us straight white males are in fact worse than the devil...That's what Tumblr tells me anyway.

Tumblr has always sounded like one of those anti-depressant drug commercials:

Life getting you down?

 

Livejournal not as popular as it used to be?

 

Try new Tumblr!   It'll Tumble that Frown Upside Down!

 

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[Steelcan]

we still going on about this?

[wolfsite]

Actually Kaidan was bisexual in ME3, not gay.  And Cullen was straight in DA: I.  Not terribly relevant to the overall point of the thread, but just wanted to point this out. 

I still remember the thread in the ME3 section where someone was demanding that Kaiden was made purely homosexual - and they wanted it retconed so that only male characters could romance him all the way back into ME1 and even remove his crush during Biotics training to fit his lifestyle.

[Steelcan]

I still remember the thread in the ME3 section where someone was demanding that Kaiden was made purely homosexual - and they wanted it retconed so that only male characters could romance him all the way back into ME1 and even remove his crush during Biotics training to fit his lifestyle.

I remember that too, the guy had issues understanding what "canon" meant

[AresKeith]

we still going on about this?

 

I thought it was over yesterday, but someone revived it 

[AresKeith]

I still remember the thread in the ME3 section where someone was demanding that Kaiden was made purely homosexual - and they wanted it retconed so that only male characters could romance him all the way back into ME1 and even remove his crush during Biotics training to fit his lifestyle.

 

Didn't he flip out when the comic came out too?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Didn't he flip out when the comic came out too?

Why, what happened in the comic? 

[Steelcan]

Didn't he flip out when the comic came out too?

iirc that's what he was angry about, that the canonical relationship Kaidan had with whatshername was well....canon

[AresKeith]

Why, what happened in the comic? 

 

It pretty much reinforced that Kaidan had a crush on that girl he mentioned in ME

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It pretty much reinforced that Kaidan had a crush on that girl he mentioned in ME

Ah, okay. Just making sure I didn't miss something. 

[MisterJB]

Why, what happened in the comic? 

That girl Kaidan says he had a crush on appears and *gasp* he has a crush on her.
It was really unexpected.

[wolfsite]

Ah, okay. Just making sure I didn't miss something. 

If you wanted to look

 

http://masseffect.wi...i/Kaidan_Alenko

[phaonica]

Changes to narrative (specifically, changes to characters) can be perceived differently because there's likely to be real people who identify with these characters, see them as someone who is like themselves. When a character is changed, such person may perceive it, effectively, as a message that the way they are is less desirable than the modification; a personal critique.

In contrast, crafting, combat etc are like you note, mechanical systems. Personal identification with such systems afaict doesn't really happen, and no one gets personally offended by changes made to them.

To me, that seems like a perfectly reasonable argument. The argument that it goes against the artists' vision is, imo, less reasonable unless it extends to all the game's other systems.

[SmilesJA]

Well everyone knows that us straight white males are in fact worse than the devil...That's what Tumblr tells me anyway.

 

Time spent among Gamergate, there are people from the other side who are trying convince me that I'm a white mysoginistic male.

[Shahadem]

I don't understand what's wrong with a mod that allows characters of any sex to romance a companion character in a video game. It's a video game. No one in the game actually exists. And not only does no one actually exist, but they don't have any actually exist in the game either. They are just a collection of voice files, animation files, behavior files and script files. There is absolutely zero consciousness. 

 

Mods don't close off or change the targeted audience, they don't fundamentally change how you should view a character, they change nothing about the game that you need to worry yourself over.

 

The reason? Because mods are something that must be actively downloaded. The existence of a mod that makes changes to a "character" doesn't in any way shape or form affect your game unless you download and install that mod into your game. If you don't, then there is no change, and if you do it is because you believe there should be a change and download the mod as the way to bring about that change.

 

Nobody has the right to tell me how I have to play my games, how I have to read my books, watch my movies. If I want to make a fundamental change to a game by using a game, that is my right. You have no right to stop me just because you don't agree with the change I am making for myself.

 

It doesn't matter if this change contradicts with the artists vision either as I am the one who knows what I want to see, not the artist. The artist has no more right to dictate how I consume something than any poster on this board does.