Fictional characters have no rights. I bought the game, therefore I own the game and what's on the disc. I own. The characters on my copy. Therefore I can alter them in anyway I deem fit. Like I buy a book. I bought a book but I don't like a certain part of the story. I'll write over that part with something I deem appropriate.
No what you own is a license to use the content on the disk as the creators intended.
No what you own is a license to use the content on the disk as the creators intended.
All mods are illegal!
In the canon, actual lore of dragon age, Cassandra is straight. Bioware does not care if people mod her to be lesbian in their own games, why people here care is very puzzling but whatever. Mods are mods, and caring about other people changing their own games is pointless. I can 100% assure you Cassandra will remain straight in your game as long as you don't download the mod. I hope you feel comforted now.
I've only been on Tumblr a few weeks but it seems to me that quite a lot of the 'social justice' on there is to actual social justice as spray cheese is to actual cheese. There is a superficial resemblance at times, but too much of it seems to be entirely about the pretence, about proving that 'I am more progressive and understanding and sensitive than you, and you are bad for saying/doing XYZ'. I get the feeling that a lot of the posters skew very young, which will feed into that, of course; certainly I was an insufferable little oik when I was a teenager, still learning everything about the world and working out how I felt about things outside the shadow of parental influence. (As it turns out, I feel more or less entirely opposite of my parents on quite a lot of things.) I'm frequently relieved that the internet did not exist yet when I was a child, and I don't envy either children or parents trying to navigate through it now.
/snip for space
That's a thing with, well, everything though. I'm pretty SJW in most aspects, although I've gotten to the point where I have to avoid tumblr due to their current thing on interracial relationships (I'm mixed race and this may be the first thing that truly made my family rage against the internet) and I have super, super conservative family members on my dad's side. There are raging extremists everywhere, and the whole 'BUT I'M MORE INVESTED IN MY CAUSE THING THAN YOU' is how we end up with messes everywhere. Frankly, I'm at the point where I want to lock up the most committed tumblerinas and redpillers in one room and sell popcorn.
Truth of the matter is, at the end of the day, there are people with reasonable opinions on both sides. I'm not wild on sexuality changing mods (and if it matters, i'm a hetero female) but I'm not going to cry about it. I find the race change mods more distasteful and telling of the mod makers than a 'Cassandra now digs chicks as well'. But at some point people are either going to have to learn to agree or disagree, or we need a forum with no rules to let the fur fly.
All mods are illegal!
In the canon, actual lore of dragon age, Cassandra is straight. Bioware does not care if people mod her to be lesbian in their own games, why people here care is very puzzling but whatever. Mods are mods, and caring about other people changing their own games is pointless. I can 100% assure you Cassandra will remain straight in your game as long as you don't download the mod. I hope you feel comforted now.
Well in all actuality they are.
That's nice except I really don't care if you use a mod or not*Though I admit it does amuse me how defensive some people are getting over it* but you do not in fact have the legal right to do as you please with a game's content just because you bought a disk.
All mods are illegal!
In the canon, actual lore of dragon age, Cassandra is straight. Bioware does not care if people mod her to be lesbian in their own games, why people here care is very puzzling but whatever. Mods are mods, and caring about other people changing their own games is pointless. I can 100% assure you Cassandra will remain straight in your game as long as you don't download the mod. I hope you feel comforted now.
It isn't just about downloading a mod. It's about making it. Making such mods is wrong.
Well in all actuality they are.
That's nice except I really don't care if you use a mod or not*Though I admit it does amuse me how defensive some people are getting over it* but you do not in fact have the legal right to do as you please with a game's content just because you bought a disk.
I'm almost completely sure that as long as you don't distribute it to anyone else or make any money off of it, you have the legal right to do whatever you want with any software you purchase, including video games.
I'm almost completely sure that as long as you don't distribute it to anyone else or make any money off of it, you have the legal right to do whatever you want with any software you purchase, including video games.
Actually, that's something that's rather hotly debated.
Before the Elder Scrolls MMO came out, someone was working on a free, co-op version of Skyrim. Bethesda/Zenimax went after them with a hammer, more or less. Pity- I'd like more co-op RPGs but meh.
That's not an example at all. They obviously intended to distribute it.
So no, I really don't think it is debated.
Personally, I think both SJWs and Anti-SJWs need to be locked in a room so they can spew their hateful venom until they end each other and save everyone else the trouble. I've seen enough from both sides to know that I don't like either right now.
With that said. I used a romance mod to romance Alistair as a male Warden. It was okay, nothing to write home about. I don't think there is anything wrong with doing the same to Cass or even Sera. I admit that a mod to make Dorian straight would creep me the f*ck out though. Mostly from a story and character development pov. I mean the guy tells you that being with a woman would be like "screaming on the inside" and that he wouldn't like that person. Then the whole business with his father using blood magic to make him straight. I mean what will the female player headcanon? That the blood magic spell worked? 
Yeah so I'll be far more creeped out by it then offended.
And before someone repeats the "It's not your game" argument, let me say that like any work of art, be it fan fiction or professional, once you share it openly, it becomes open to public criticism. Whatever it may be.
Overall, I don't think anyone should be harassed but I do like that more and more people are willing to speak out about something they think is wrong. In the past people had the mentality of "If it doesn't affect me then it's not my problem." and usually any minority who spoke out against whitewashing, straight washing et al were considered "whiners who just can't accept the world as it is blah blah"...I'm just glad more and more people are moving away from that mindset. I think some people take it too far but I believe only good things will eventually come out of all this once everyone settles down. Oh there I go being a glass half full type. 
You can't have an open debate when you refuse to listen to a certain point of view , even if that point of view is wrong. If you remove peoples chance to speak because you deem what they say is wrong you are no longer holding an open debate and gradually it will become an echo chamber , which helps no one as those other voices will form their own echo chamber and thus you divide people instead of bringing them together.
Yep. Found the Court Case. A video game related case, interestingly enough.
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc.
From the introduction on Wikipedia:
"Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. (Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, 1992) was a court case which established the rights of users to modify copyrighted works for their own use.[1]"
So yes, it's certain. Modifying copyrighted software for personal use is completely legal. Not 'hotly debated' at all.
I should point out that legally EULAs aren't worth the paper they are printed on (for various reasons, mostly because they are a contrat that one side cannot modify, here in Canada aat least). Most of the ''enforcement'' that happens when someone makes a mod a company doesn't approve of simply comes from the fact you got a crack team of lawyers vs someone who is very probably not swimming in cash nor willing to press the issue anyway. So long as you don't charge for it, I'm pretty sure you could make any mod you please and, if you had the cash to contest the Cease and Desist or whichever action taken, you would win.
Having said that, I do think that if an author expresses disagreement over fan-fiction or a specific story-related mod (which is the same thing really), one should heed them. They are the creators, their word should weight in on this issue. But since Bioware has shown indifference to such mods (unless someone can correct me), no problems on that front.
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Still Pixels =/= real. In the end of the day the only reason Cassandra is straight is because some writter decided she was. So if someone decides she is straight whats wrong if someone decides she is not? In this case through a mod. Also this modder didn't force it on anyone to use.
Note i care little if anyone wants to change something so a charcter is to there liking , if it makes them happy doing so to a fictional bunch of pixels without saying that its the right way and everyone else should be doing the same. I think IRL we should respect peoples decisions , but in fictional/fantassy we shouldn't tell people on what to 'Fantasize about' Be it a straight guy seeing Cass with bigger boobs or a lesbian wanting a relationship with Cass or a straight guy wanting a relationship with Sera. Aslong as its not forced onto other players i truly don't care. What i do care about is people telling others what they should fantasize about and that if you fantasize a certain way you are wrong/virgin/childish/neckbeard/feminazi/insert insult .
Note it would be a different case if Bioware suddenly decided to implement a patch changing characters sexual/gender prefferences because thats forcing every player to have to get used to it. A mod is optional and only affects those who use it.
We're not just talking about a difference of mere people. This is the only thing that upsets me about this discussion. Reducing the role of creators as if they're our fellow peers. Turning people's efforts and labor into public domain by fiat...just because we say so.
We are all equals in general, in life itself. But not when it comes to our creativity, our labors, and ideas, and what we produce. We're all individuals in this. I don't get to claim power out of my ass, just through sheer will alone. Users are not the final word on Cassandra;s identity.. we're just supposed to enjoy the character. What the writer decided on her sexuality is supposed to carry some weight. Not a be mere opinion. Artists are supposed to have power. And when people stop believing that, I'm saddened.
Whether people are happy or not is irrelevant. I don't see what that has to do with anything. As if some random person's happiness is the end all be all decider of everything. There are more serious principles at play in all of this than that.
Nobody is claiming users are the 'final word.' You're speaking as if modders are forcing a rewrite of a series. This is just completely silly.
When you go to the store and buy Inquisition, Cassandra is straight.
When you go to the Dragon Age Wikipedia and look up Cassandra, it says she's straight.
When you ask anyone who's played the game if Cassandra is straight, they'll say yes.
In what universe can you possibly claim modders are the 'final world' on Cassandra's straightness if they have absolutely no power over any of that?
BioWare still has the complete and final word and what happens in Dragon Age. They still have all the power. A mod is nothing more than a person's imagination at work concerning a story with a bit of sweat behind it. And you seem to think that that imagination should be cauterized because thinking anything not explicitly written out in the story is disrespecting the author. Ridiculous. It's the opposite of disrespecting the author.
Where do you even think the BioWare writers get their ideas from in the first place? Largely, by experiencing other fiction. And by thinking about the interesting places it could have gone and the interesting things they could have done with it.
What upsets me is the double standard regarding the modding of sexuality. I've been in the Dorian tag, and you wouldn't believe the level of hypocrisy abounding there. It's okay for Cassandra or Solas to be modded, but don't touch Dorian or Sera because of the representation.
I got into a...discussion with a tumblr user over this that led to me unfollowing a long time friend (who posted "OMG, straight people" on her blog in response to our argument) - and ended up ignoring the other user I was having the discussion with.
The tumblr user stated that people shouldn't WANT to mod Dorian or Sera Bi. That anyone who does is disgusting and homophobic.
I suppose I should be pleased that people like this become so desperate over petty nonsense. It means they aren't accomplishing anything else.
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What upsets me is the double standard regarding the modding of sexuality. I've been in the Dorian tag, and you wouldn't believe the level of hypocrisy abounding there. It's okay for Cassandra or Solas to be modded, but don't touch Dorian or Sera because of the representation.
I got into a...discussion with a tumblr user over this that led to me unfollowing a long time friend (who posted "OMG, straight people" on her blog in response to our argument) - and ended up ignoring the other user I was having the discussion with.
The tumblr user stated that people shouldn't WANT to mod Dorian or Sera Bi. That anyone who does is disgusting and homophobic. I told her no one can control what people want. I mean, come on? People want what they want. Most of the fandom has Dorian canonically gay. So the few people who might not? So what? How is that hurting the lgbt community? That the ignore button is for. I suggested she be an adult and use it. She also stated that Gaider is a "fan now" and has no say on the character he created when I used it to back up a point I made. True, he has no say on everyone's "interpretation", but when he tries hard to clear a misconception up on a Qunari thread about Dorian's father....then that is more than a "afterthought" as she called it.
Either way, I ignored two Cullen/Dorian shippers who think it's okay to change Cullen's preferences because that's "adding representation", but will threaten, bully, and harass those who even "thinks" about doing the same to Dorian or Sera. It's double standard. No way around it. And I will never agree with restricting free speech or freedom of use.
I say keep your canon and head canon, but let others have theirs. It's not hurting YOUR game.
I don't think it's right for Dorian either.
It's sad if people are actually dismissing straight people though. Not because I'm straight myself... it's just.... you know.. wtf. It's not like we dominate this games' representation either. We deserve to be represented just as much. I know the world in general is straight in the majority, but not when it comes to these games. We're all equals here.
What upsets me is the double standard regarding the modding of sexuality. I've been in the Dorian tag, and you wouldn't believe the level of hypocrisy abounding there. It's okay for Cassandra or Solas to be modded, but don't touch Dorian or Sera because of the representation.
I got into a...discussion with a tumblr user over this that led to me unfollowing a long time friend (who posted "OMG, straight people" on her blog in response to our argument) - and ended up ignoring the other user I was having the discussion with.
The tumblr user stated that people shouldn't WANT to mod Dorian or Sera Bi. That anyone who does is disgusting and homophobic. I told her no one can control what people want. I mean, come on? People want what they want. Most of the fandom has Dorian canonically gay. So the few people who might not? So what? How is that hurting the lgbt community? That the ignore button is for. I suggested she be an adult and use it. She also stated that Gaider is a "fan now" and has no say on the character he created when I used a quote to back up a point I made. True, he has no say on everyone's "interpretation", but when he tries hard to clear a misconception up on a Qunari thread about Dorian's father....then that is more than a "afterthought" as she called it.
Either way, I ignored two Cullen/Dorian shippers who think it's okay to change Cullen's preferences because that's "adding representation", but will threaten, bully, and harass those who even "thinks" about doing the same to Dorian or Sera. It's double standard. No way around it. And I will never agree with restricting free speech or freedom of use.
I say keep your canon and head canon, but let others have theirs. It's not hurting YOUR game.
And that's really one of my biggest issue with this type of mod (skin color mods fall under this category for me also) is the blatant double standard among the fanbase with it
I actually heard Solas was meant to be bisexual (elf only still). To the point where recorded dialogue exists. If that's so, then I consider modding him and Cullen as "restoration" mods more than anything. Especially if they get access to those files.
Hm, Now I'm thinking of rolling a male elf and get that Solas romance mod. I wonder if he can remove the vasilishin from a male elf. hmmm.
I actually heard Solas was meant to be bisexual (elf only still). To the point where recorded dialogue exists. If that's so, then I consider modding him and Cullen as "restoration" mods more than anything. Especially if they get access to those files.
Hm, Now I'm thinking of rolling a male elf and get that Solas romance mod. I wonder if he can remove the vasilishin from a male elf. hmmm.
I guess that depends on how you view
Imo, in Cullen's case is that they considered making bi but chose not to. Solas on the other hand I honestly have no idea lol
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Wait.. my bad. Just realized that straights are kind of overrepresented, at least for females. Cullen, Solas, and Blackwall?
I was only thinking on my end, with Cass.
Wait.. my bad. Just realized that straights are kind of overrepresented, at least for females. Cullen, Solas, and Blackwall?
I was only thinking on my end, with Cass.
Think of it as Bioware's apology for this guy.
Or this one
I'd say those are worth two extra slots for females 
Poor Jacob, such potential
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In any case, straight males are hardly dominating representation. Not anymore. I think people would be better off befriending us.. not saying things like the above.
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