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[phaonica]

As for disrespect, I do believe it is. When people reduce the creators to one of their peers, it's disrespect. I believe artists have power. It's a deep belief. That isn't to say all modders are doing that.. not at all. I'm addressing a specific mindset. People who assume creative power and control, simply for buying a game.

 

Are you suggesting that players who'd like to write their own quests, write new characters into the setting, or write new stories for existing characters are being disrespectful to the original creators?

[MrSnoozer]

For the game:

 

I'l restate that i think modding is fine,its optional it forces nothing on noone who doesn't want it. It hurts noone . I highly doubt that it will affect anyone who does mod it into thinking that doing so IRL i.e attempting to make someone a different gender/etc than what they are. Fanboys/girls do it with erotic fiction i'm looking at you supernatural freaks.

 

 

 

Now onto the case of whats right and wrong arguement in changing sex preferences/gender/or w/e . You can't expect to have a leg to stand on if you think its ok to change straight people into Bi if you think that doing it to gay to bi is wrong. Being gay/straight or Bi is not a choice . I wouldn't dream of going up to a lesbian who told me she only likes girls and say 'Come on try it you might like it' so i expect the LGBT community to do the same with straight individuals. People want respect for their gender/sex they need to respect others who are different to gain it.

 

If your a straight male there is nothing wrong with liking what you like , in my case sexy women with hips and boobs

If your an LGBT there is nothing wrong with liking what you like

If your a straight female there is nothing wrong with what you like.

 

Aslong as you don't force it on anyone else , don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If they insult you by calling you names for what you like they are just Bullies and should be ignored. Don't ever let anyone tell you what you should enjoy and how to think (aslong as you don't force it on anyone emphasis on 'force')

[Grieving Natashina]

 While I don't feel the Cassandra mod was a great idea, I do think that some people are reading intent unto the modder that isn't there.  She didn't do it to disrespect the DA team, or the LGBT community, or the straight community for that matter.  From everything I've gathered, she did it to give bisexual and lesbian characters another option.  I keep using the word characters, because it's about RP.  I've talked to straight men on the forums that tried a gay relationship (m/m) with Zevran, because they were curious about how it played out.  So there is a difference.  Anyway, I remember when Cassandra was announced as straight, and how many folks were disappointed just on the BSN alone.  Shoot, I was too.

 

I've spent the last couple of days really thinking about it and I've been able to pinpoint what bothers me about this mod.  There is straight women that identify with Cassandra.  Women with short hair, jobs that are typically seen as more masculine (one poster talked about being an auto mechanic) are usually cast as non-heterosexual.  It was eye-opening reading those posts.  This was a side of representation I'd honestly not thought about very much.  For those straight ladies, Cassandra was a needed representation.  Someone that could present themselves as more no nonsense, in attitude and in voice, with a role that traditional media generally gives to men, that wasn't into women in anyway sexually.  

 

I continue to support more diverse representation in video games.  Straight, gay, bisexual, asexual, transgender...I love to see character ideas that aren't generally done by most game companies.  This does include straight men and women that don't perfectly fit our rather odd and strict standards of Western gender roles.  I guess it doesn't sit right to have this representation of straight women to be turned bisexual.   I felt the same about the Equal Love mod, to be honest.   

 

I know in my gut that most of these modders aren't out to remove representation, nor disrespect the DA team.  I feel like they are simply trying to give everyone more options.  So I won't get outraged and foaming at the mouth about this.  I read the Cass mod description before the ship hit the fan, and I could tell that it was done with a lot of respect.   That actually means something to me, as silly as that sounds.   I can disagree with something without resorting to getting enraged and sending violent threats.  Sad to say, sometimes the gaming community seems like it's getting worse about this.

 

I love video games.  I have my entire life, and it was a big part of my childhood.  However, constantly taking personal offense over a disagreement over as something shallow as a mod baffles the hell out of me.  At the end of the day, as much as I love the stories, the art and the gameplay over the last 30+ years, I won't take it so seriously as to harass someone.  I think everyone should completely unplug every now and then.  

 

Turn off the cellphone, put the tablet back in the case, shutdown the PC, and walk away from the TV.  I don't mean that to be condescending.  I honestly believe that it helps.  Maybe if folks did that every now and then, we wouldn't have people like the gaming community posting sodding death threats over a pretty damned harmless mod.

[TheJediSaint]

Tough is undeservedly associated with masculinity.

[phaonica]

No. Changing things about how the world is already built is what I find disrespectful. Adding to it is not. Or making superficial changes (mods that alter clothing, etc). Provided that what one is adding to it is consistent with lore. If you include a quest where Captain Kirk has a threeway with a nug and your PC, then I just think it's stupid.

 

Okay, I've seen some art circulating of an AU where Cullen and Sampson's positions in DAI have been reversed. Is that disrespectful?

[phaonica]

Art? Not really. Like I said, I'm talking about specific people who say things like "their sexualities are just a jumping off point" and say the writers are just people like them, and as people, that their opinions don't hold any more weight than the fan.

 

This isn't about "people". It's another relationship about entertainers and entertainees. Artist and audience. Not "people" in general. Not recognizing this is where I bring up the issue of respect.

 

I'm sorry. I don't understand what this means.

 

Now, if there are people out there who are saying that the ideas that they have about the way things should be have just as much right to be part of lore as those who are actually working at those jobs, then I do agree that's disrespectful. I don't think modders are, by their nature, elevating themselves to that status, though.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't either. It wasn't meant to be a criticism at modding in general. I'm just focused on a specific mentality. It's shown up here a couple of times.

 

Sorry if I'm not articulating it well.. I'm a little jittery, drinking coffee and watching TV and posting at the same time.

That explains your rapid fire posts.  

[Grieving Natashina]

Heh.. yeah, here's another.

 

Actually, I should take a break

If you feel you're getting inarticulate, it's for the best.  I may or may not have experience with that one.  

[AWTEW]

Okay, so I saw people talking about EULA ect on the previous pages, and zi thought I mightt shed some light on this issue legally. keep in mind this only applies to australian law.

As long as the full image is 30% different to the original work, then it is not considered a copy. So you can sell images that u have based off other images as long as they are 30% different.


Another reason a lot of companies don't kick up a fuss about people selling fan art at cons, is because the artist would not make enough money to warrent the fees of taking them to court. Then there is also the fact a lot of fan art is positive for the company, as it is free-advertising. I would never have bought DAO if i had bot seen an awsome fanart on DeviantArt from an artist I followed.

Mods however a bit different you are breaking and tampering with an already made product, and not just drawing insperation from it. I have no idea in the legality of mods however.


As for cass-mod, I dont care for it.

[phaonica]

I've said all I want about the subject anyways.. I think.

 

Basically, I'm just talking about where to draw the line. And not taking it too seriously. As if the writers and game are mere stepping stones for one's own superior product. That's so arrogant. It's not a dig at mods in general though... not at all. Mods can be cool. 

 

 

Oooh, I think I get it now. Sorry, I was being thick-skulled, but I think I see what you mean, now

[Grieving Natashina]

I love watching a civil debate between two intelligent and articulate posters.  It's posts like those that is why the thread is still open, and why some posters (like me!) feel it has some real merit.  

[TheJediSaint]

I've said all I want about the subject anyways.. I think.

 

Basically, I'm just talking about where to draw the line. And not taking it too seriously. As if the writers and game are mere stepping stones for one's own superior product. That's so arrogant. It's not a dig at mods in general though... not at all. Mods can be cool. 

A fair point.  My beef is with the mod is its dissonance with the themes within the game itself.

[MerchantGOL]

You know whats really telling.

 

Sera is so obnoxious i see no call for a mod to make her available to male characters 

[TheJediSaint]

You know whats really telling.

 

Sera is so obnoxious i see no call for a mod to make her available to male characters 

I rolled a girl to romance her in my second playthough.

 

How telling is that?

[Hellion Rex]

Tough is undeservedly associated with masculinity.

Amen.

[KaiserShep]

I love watching a civil debate between two intelligent and articulate posters.  It's posts like those that is why the thread is still open, and why some posters (like me!) feel it has some real merit.  

 

It's unnatural, I tells ya.