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[Grieving Natashina]

It's unnatural, I tells ya.

Nah, just rare.     Otherwise, I would have bailed, oh, some time around last spring.  

[Raiil]

Yep. Found the Court Case. A video game related case, interestingly enough.

 

Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc.

 

From the introduction on Wikipedia:

 

"Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. (Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, 1992) was a court case which established the rights of users to modify copyrighted works for their own use.^[1]"

 

So yes, it's certain. Modifying copyrighted software for personal use is completely legal. Not 'hotly debated' at all.

 

 

The same way gay marriage in various states with laws regarding to it aren't debated at all. Right. /eyebrow

[DanteYoda]

No. Changing things about how the world is already built is what I find disrespectful. Adding to it is not. Or making superficial changes (mods that alter clothing, etc). Provided that what one is adding to it is consistent with lore. If you include a quest where Captain Kirk has a threeway with a nug and your PC, then I just think it's stupid.

But you don't get to see it because its a mod, and obviously you don't use it...

 

So its not that people use mods to change their games, its that it annoys you so much that others do it (for whatever reason) you want it stopped.

 

There is no disrespect from modding, in most cases if mods weren't added to games, customers would have stopped playing the games a long time before.. mods enhance games, you just don't agree with them..

 

To start, the irony of using a mod to change a companion's sexuality, when a major in-game plot point for another companion is that their father tried to change their sexuality.

No because its a "game" not real life, big difference and one many here don't seem to be able to tell the difference between...

[Lewie]

This thread is dependant on one thing that makes me sad. Sexuality.

 

Social Justice Warriors are apparently standing up for something, fans of Dragon Age are apparently standing up for the writers or the game or whatever bandwagon is getting them riled up who knows.

 

If people want to argue that sexuality is the be all and end all of anyone, be it fictional or not, that is the time to walk away.

 

Mods are not illegal, that was actually funny to read that. I am expecting the steam workshop to go into meltdown tomorrow. 

[Hazegurl]

After reading a post from someone (not on this board) campaigning to make Dorian as a character who is asexual and repulsed by sex as actual canon that should be acknowledged by the fanbase I think StreetMagic is onto something about people's attitude towards creators and the source material.  Modding is great and heck I even started modding, but things get kind of strange when it's attached with the notion of "This is how it should be."  Like the character was wrong before but now they were fixed.

 

"The more beautiful Isabella.." stapled onto a whitewashing mod is gonna raise some brows. Having it listed as one of the top mods needed for DA2....no words for that.

 

Modding Cass as bisexual or a lesbian does carry with it the weight of people's IRL common misconceptions that strong/tough women automatically like the ladies and no straight man would want them.  So yeah some people will be salty about a mod that changes her sexuality.

 

Anything in fiction that reflects IRL issues et al will come with some of those IRL attitudes, opinions, and so on.

 

Ex: I don't think many people will get upset over redesigning IB. It's not like IRL Qunari are being told they're fugly. lol!

 

Repeating "It's just a mod" is a weak argument. You might as well say "It's just a book/TV show/game/movie" whenever anyone wants to discuss allegory in fiction.  Why can't anyone discuss these mods whether they agree with them or not. Who made the rule that every single piece of work available to the public must be loved and everyone should agree with it or not say anything?

 

Once again, harassing others is going too far and that needs to be addressed and stopped.  But just as no one can stop a modder from modding, no one can stop anyone from having an opinion on the mod.

[Mihura]

So wait let me get this right, people think that "SJW" and tumblr harassed the modder? what? For what I gather it was quite the opposite, straight people seem offended by the mod not minorities that do "social justice" on tumblr or whatever.

What I saw was not political correctness people but self-righteous allies, justifying their hate for the mod with "people also rage with Isabela/Sam/whatever mod". I mean come on, this type of mods are old as **** and would tumblr complain about more LGBTQ+ content in mods??????? that makes no sense unless you are a self-righteous ally.

[9TailsFox]

After reading a post from someone (not on this board) campaigning to make Dorian as a character who is asexual and repulsed by sex as actual canon that should be acknowledged by the fanbase I think StreetMagic is onto something about people's attitude towards creators and the source material.  Modding is great and heck I even started modding, but things get kind of strange when it's attached with the notion of "This is how it should be."  Like the character was wrong before but now they were fixed.

 

"The more beautiful Isabella.." stapled onto a whitewashing mod is gonna raise some brows. Having it listed as one of the top mods needed for DA2....no words for that.

 

Modding Cass as bisexual or a lesbian does carry with it the weight of people's IRL common misconceptions that strong/tough women automatically like the ladies and no straight man would want them.  So yeah some people will be salty about a mod that changes her sexuality.

 

Anything in fiction that reflects IRL issues et al will come with some of those IRL attitudes, opinions, and so on.

 

Ex: I don't think many people will get upset over redesigning IB. It's not like IRL Qunari are being told they're fugly. lol!

 

Repeating "It's just a mod" is a weak argument. You might as well say "It's just a book/TV show/game/movie" whenever anyone wants to discuss allegory in fiction.  Why can't anyone discuss these mods whether they agree with them or not. Who made the rule that every single piece of work available to the public must be loved and everyone should agree with it or not say anything?

 

Once again, harassing others is going too far and that needs to be addressed and stopped.  But just as no one can stop a modder from modding, no one can stop anyone from having an opinion on the mod.

[AresKeith]

After reading a post from someone (not on this board) campaigning to make Dorian as a character who is asexual and repulsed by sex as actual canon that should be acknowledged by the fanbase I think StreetMagic is onto something about people's attitude towards creators and the source material.  Modding is great and heck I even started modding, but things get kind of strange when it's attached with the notion of "This is how it should be."  Like the character was wrong before but now they were fixed.

 

I even once saw someone make a paragraph on why it's fine to mod Cassandra and others but completely wrong to do it to Dorian and Sera. They even used Dorian's personal quest as an example

 

There's even a Black Sera mod, and I heard people praising it because "that's how she should be canonically" because there was an old concept of her with darker skin 

[Lewie]

So wait let me get this right, people think that "SJW" and tumblr harassed the modder? what? For what I gather it was quite the opposite, straight people seem offended by the mod not minorities that do "social justice" on tumblr or whatever.

What I saw was not political correctness people but self-righteous allies, justifying their hate for the mod with "people also rage with Isabela/Sam/whatever mod". I mean come on, this type of mods are old as **** and would tumblr complain about more LGBTQ+ content in mods??????? that makes no sense unless you are a self-righteous ally.

Who harrassed who is the big thing it seems, everyone is fishing to latch onto some **** that will be forgot about in a years time. Then another bandwagon will be here. I am straight and have not been offended at all, frankly this whole thing has been a bad advertisement.

[Grieving Natashina]

I even once saw someone make a paragraph on why it's fine to mod Cassandra and others but completely wrong to do it to Dorian and Sera. They even used Dorian's personal quest as an example

 

There's even a Black Sera mod, and I heard people praising it because "that's how she should be canonically" because there was an old concept of her with darker skin 

That's part of what bothers me about the reaction of some (not all) of the folks speaking out against this mod.  The hypocritical thinking is sickening sometimes.  

[tmp7704]

(Stephen Fry quote)

"I am a lover of truth, a worshipper of freedom, a celebrant at the altar of language and purity and tolerance. That is my religion, and every day I am sorely, grossly, heinously and deeply offended, wounded, mortified and injured by a thousand different blasphemies against it."

-also Stephen Fry

it's apparently only "so ****** what" if it's about something the man doesn't personally care about.

[9TailsFox]

I even once saw someone make a paragraph on why it's fine to mod Cassandra and others but completely wrong to do it to Dorian and Sera. They even used Dorian's personal quest as an example

 

There's even a Black Sera mod, and I heard people praising it because "that's how she should be canonically" because there was an old concept of her with darker skin 

None wants equality of course there always exceptions, mostly wants superiority, if your biggest problem you don't like how video game character is dressed or s/he is  not black enough, trust me your life is perfect. 

[Mihura]

Who harrassed who is the big thing it seems, everyone is fishing to latch onto some **** that will be forgot about in a years time. Then another bandwagon will be here. I am straight and have not been offended at all, frankly this whole thing has been a bad advertisement.

 

Ok so not you but I was addressing other posters, that were saying this was a tumblr problem.

People really think that someone that believes in real social justice says "straight erasure"? Tumblr is mostly about fandom and their fics, fanart..etc tumblr has nothing to do with this. Tumblr loves turning characters gay, every day ffs.

[Lewie]

If people are that heavy about mods I really do not want to think about who they are in real life.

 

I was going to download the big firepit mod for Don't Starve and didn't because I felt like I was cheating. It just looked so cool.

[Lewie]

Ok so not you but I was addressing other posters, that were saying this was a tumblr problem.

People really think that someone that believes in real social justice says "straight erasure"? Tumblr is mostly about fandom and their fics, fanart..etc tumblr has nothing to do with this. Tumblr loves turning characters gay, every day ffs.

Yes, Tumblr is a cesspit. I thought that was obvious a few years ago.

 

Bit of an exaggeration, maybe a year.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Dragon Age Origin: Make Allistar Romancable to Males!!! Make Morrigan Romanceable to Females!!!

 

Mass Effect: Make Kaiden romanceable for Males!!! It was even suppose to be that way in the original!!!

 

Mass Effect 2: I want to romance miranda as a woman!!! I want to romance garrus as a man!!! Tali X Femshep!!! Jacob X Maleshep!!!

 

Dragon Age 2: Everyone gets to romance everyone, best system 10/10 ((I disagree here, cause I find player sexual to be a somewhat lazy way to recycle dialouge options. But meh, whateves))

 

Mass Effect 3: Kaiden Male Romance, **** Yeah!!! Traynors good as a conselation prize, I guess...we are gonna get a mod for this, right?

 

Somewhere between Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition: Sexuality becomes a be all/end all issue. CIS becomes a coined term. The new puritanical movement begins with the left demanding censorship of females for obscenity reasons. Misogyny and Patriarchy and "Games are bad" take off faster than the red scare in the 60's.

 

Dragon Age Inquisition: PURGE THE HERETICS WHO DO NOT WORSHIP THE KREM!!!! MODS = MURDER!!! HELP,  HELP, CASSANDRAS BEING OPPRESSED!!!

[Cainhurst Crow]

I wonder if we'll ever move past all of this. Romance... as a just a subject in general.. touches a raw nerve for many. Including myself, I suppose. It's turning out to not be as fun and casual an idea as originally intended.

 

I am mixed about it. I feel it gets far too much attention, and can reduce characters to just being all about their romance arcs instead of their actual characterization arcs and development, the two becoming too close together for comfort.

 

On the other hand, I am guilty of enjoying the romances, and having my characters gravitate and make decisions because of romances. They do help to roleplay, much as I feel they are given too much attention.

 

It's like anything thats mainstream, over-represented, and too popular for its own good. It buckles under the weight of its own success and fans, rather than in faults of its own.

[Scofield]

What others do to an how they play there game shouldn't touch any nerve with you, why it does i have no idea

[DanteYoda]

I wonder if we'll ever move past all of this. Romance... as a just a subject in general.. touches a raw nerve for many. Including myself, I suppose. It's turning out to not be as fun and casual an idea as originally intended.

At this point, i'd rather it was all just removed, for sanity purposes..

 

I must admit with all the companions in Inquisition none of them appealed to me even slightly, i romanced Sera because she was the least annoying to me (ironic huh) but if they were all removed i wouldn't care at all that's how much these latest companions made an impact for me..

 

The whole lot was aimed at homosexuals to me, no offense if that's your thing, its not mine, straight males got two female choices both of which were horrid examples of females and well the rest were just not even that interesting as companions let alone sleeping with the "menagerie"

[DanteYoda]

Hehe. I could live with that, but I'm not sure sanity will be the result in general. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth, I think.

Agreed.

[TheChosenOne]

It a sad world where we're not even allow to change a simple character from a video game without **** hitting the fan. Seriously, why do you care if someone makes Cassandra Bi? I'm a straight male gamer but I don't give two fucks if someone change a few codes. It isn't going to mess up my experience with that character. Im sorry for the modder and hopefully he/she will say **** the haters and bring the mod back for people to enjoy