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[Super Drone]

Not sure how I said that couldn't have been a factor. Any combination of things could have played a role into the decision. It doesn't just have to be the balance. I just think it's possible that balance was part of it.

 

Also not sure how you thought I was in any way implying that balance was a bad thing.

 

If it were up to me, I would have made Cassandra open to both Inquisitor genders. That's what I meant when I said I don't agree with the decision to make her straight. I was really shocked when they announced she was only available to male PCs.

 

and straight/gay males just would have one less option than every other demographic? Or one of the other female characters would have been made straight?

[Fiery Phoenix]

and straight/gay males just would have one less option than every other demographic? Or one of the other female characters would have been made straight?

To clarify, I was originally expecting either Vivienne or Cassandra would be straight and the other bi. Turns out Cassandra was straight, and Vivienne wasn't an option at all. So... I was way off the mark.

 

But regardless of what I wanted or expected, I think what we did get works if nothing else. There are of course many who aren't satisfied, as evidenced by the creation of the mod this thread is about. Then again, that's always been the case every time BioWare has made a character's romance exclusive to one gender. Mere months after launch someone somewhere will make a mod that makes a straight or gay character bi because it's what they wanted, and so on.

[Rizilliant]

So the equal love mod for Origins has 3000 endorsements but the same thing for Cassandra gets people so mad they drive the modder away? Are people bipolar, has the fanbase changed that much, or what's going on?

 

Short answer... Political Correctness is the "In" thing right now.. It all comes in phases.. Feminism, Anti Black anything, now its gay anything.. And here i thought we played games to escape the crap of real life.. With each game, more and more people insist on "equality", and representation, etc... Bringing RL problems into a fantasy setting.. I dont see why a character cannot have preferences.. If anything, it makes her have more depth.. I actually romanced her first... Not that it matters.. It is just a game after all..

 

Why PC needs to infect every single aspect of everything is beyond me.. I am no more bothers by having a straight woman in the game, anymore than having a gay man.. Why does it have to be that way at all? Why focus on it negatively? Someone didnt like it, so it got modded.. nbd, dont use the mod..

 

TL:DR Political Correctness is a fad.. It will pass.. Ignore the ones who think everything must be as they see fit! 

[Vanth]

TL:DR Political Correctness is a fad.. It will pass..

 

 I don't think it will. Opposition to sexist and racism has been around for decades.

[TevinterSupremacist]

It isnt just a product. Its an artwork that makes social and historical commentary and that should be discussed.

Says who? What moral authority decides that it should be discussed? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you discussing it if you want to, but if you try to act as if it's something that should be done, you need to support your case.

[o Ventus]

 I don't think it will. Opposition to sexist and racism has been around for decades.

Sure, except nothing here has to do with racism or sexism.

[Little Princess Peach]

shame we can't mod bsners to have brains...that would make them dangerous so forget i said it

[snackrat]

Short answer... Political Correctness is the "In" thing right now.. It all comes in phases.. Feminism, Anti Black anything, now its gay anything.. And here i thought we played games to escape the crap of real life.. With each game, more and more people insist on "equality", and representation, etc... Bringing RL problems into a fantasy setting.. I dont see why a character cannot have preferences.. If anything, it makes her have more depth.. I actually romanced her first... Not that it matters.. It is just a game after all..

 

Why PC needs to infect every single aspect of everything is beyond me.. I am no more bothers by having a straight woman in the game, anymore than having a gay man.. Why does it have to be that way at all? Why focus on it negatively? Someone didnt like it, so it got modded.. nbd, dont use the mod..

 

TL:DR Political Correctness is a fad.. It will pass.. Ignore the ones who think everything must be as they see fit! 

 

Being PC is fine. Good, actually.

A think this might be more of a side effect of the Ethics Olympics - people getting offended on behalf of complete strangers outside their demographic because it makes them better people than you. (+10 ethics!)

And if you are a member of that demographic and aren't offended, you get two options: a) sshhhh you just internalised it I will protect you, too precious for this world (if you're lucky) - +15 ethics! - or HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT CIS-WHITE NECKBEARD (if you're not) - +5 ethics!

[Lewie]

I think people simply need to agree to disagree on this type of thing. Don't use the mod and move on.

 

Games are a virtual reality and that does not by any means lessen the creators and writers etc. A fantasy game with fictional characters in a fictional world?

 

These give us role play which allows us to experience different views about everything, whether or not it is right or wrong. I love Bioware games for this reason, choices and consequences.

 

Games and mods are all part and parcel of freedom of expression. I have seen many mods that made me roll my eyes, so I moved on.

 

I downloaded about 50 mods when I felt bored with Skyrim, these were mostly tweaks and realism mods but my god, I got a few hundred hours more play from that game because of them.

 

If people want to use mods to make a character straight or bi go right ahead. It doesn't affect my game or my special sensibilities. People take these things far too seriously. I don't use those mods and don't give a flying fork if people do. 

 

Political correctness has been around for a long time but in video games? Morality and social justice? There is enough of that in real life I would like games to continue being an escape, if you please. 

 

No-one with half a brain would try and change a persons' sexuality in real life, well I wouldn't like to think so anyway. I read somewhere that Cassandra is apparently supposed to be a lesbian because she has short hair? I find that hilarious to be honest. 

 

I don't see a huge issue here apart from stereotypical crap and bad advertising. 

 

Maybe this is a generation thing, social media creating idiotic arguments that are frankly pointless. 

 

*Hides pitchfork*    

 

Sorry that was a load of crap probably, I have had a very long day. 

[Melca36]

Since we're talking about equality here. How come so little call or demand for a Bi Blackwall Mod?

 

Is it because he's deemed too old? Not hot enough? Or is the fandom not ready for bears?

 

If we are to have equality... it should be equal after all or is it only equal when the male characters are hot?

[daveliam]

Since we're talking about equality here. How come so little call or demand for a Bi Blackwall Mod?

 

Is it because he's deemed too old? Not hot enough? Or is the fandom not ready for bears?

 

If we are to have equality... it should be equal after all or is it only equal when the male characters are hot?

 

Bears are hot.  I'd take Blackwall over Solas (or Zevran or Fenris) any day of the week

 

I personally don't call for a bi mod for him because I don't play on PC and, frankly, even if I did, I wouldn't be a huge fan of mods.  I'd rather make a case for Blackwall-esque <cough, dwarf, cough> bi option in a future game. 

[AresKeith]

Bears are hot.  I'd take Blackwall over Solas (or Zevran or Fenris) any day of the week

 

I personally don't call for a bi mod for him because I don't play on PC and, frankly, even if I did, I wouldn't be a huge fan of mods.  I'd rather make a case for Blackwall-esque <cough, dwarf, cough> bi option in a future game. 

 

So you want another Jean Valjean

[Raiil]

Being PC is fine. Good, actually.

A think this might be more of a side effect of the Ethics Olympics - people getting offended on behalf of complete strangers outside their demographic because it makes them better people than you. (+10 ethics!)

And if you are a member of that demographic and aren't offended, you get two options: a) sshhhh you just internalised it I will protect you, too precious for this world (if you're lucky) - +15 ethics! - or HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT CIS-WHITE NECKBEARD (if you're not) - +5 ethics!

 

 

Eh yeah, but it doesn't help when people constantly goad the otherside. We just set our jimmies meter to maximum rustled and go on from there.

[Precursor Meta]

Found the elitist!

I found him first though!

[Precursor Meta]

Take a chill pill Meta, it's just a thread on a forum about a video game.

I'm not me when Im cranky, I may need a snickers.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Bears are hot. 

 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Short answer... Political Correctness is the "In" thing right now.. It all comes in phases.. Feminism, Anti Black anything, now its gay anything.. And here i thought we played games to escape the crap of real life.. With each game, more and more people insist on "equality", and representation, etc... Bringing RL problems into a fantasy setting.. I dont see why a character cannot have preferences.. If anything, it makes her have more depth.. I actually romanced her first... Not that it matters.. It is just a game after all..

 

Why PC needs to infect every single aspect of everything is beyond me.. I am no more bothers by having a straight woman in the game, anymore than having a gay man.. Why does it have to be that way at all? Why focus on it negatively? Someone didnt like it, so it got modded.. nbd, dont use the mod..

 

TL:DR Political Correctness is a fad.. It will pass.. Ignore the ones who think everything must be as they see fit! 

 

Suggested equality - or 'political correctness' as you lovingly brand it - has been around for a hundred years now.

 

It isn't going to change. 

[Legion of 1337]

Says who? What moral authority decides that it should be discussed? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you discussing it if you want to, but if you try to act as if it's something that should be done, you need to support your case.

If you dont mind then why exactly are you here complaining that i am?

[Legion of 1337]

Suggested equality - or 'political correctness' as you lovingly brand it - has been around for a hundred years now.

It isn't going to change.

Political correctness isnt about equality, its about not offending people. But i dont give a **** about peoples feelings.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Political correctness is a dumb phrase, is really just common decency

[Legion of 1337]

Political correctness is a dumb phrase, is really just common decency

Its way more than that. Its trying to erradicate offensiveness. Problem is, anythint can offend somebody, so the line keeps getting moved.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Its way more than that. Its trying to erradicate offensiveness. Problem is, anythint can offend somebody, so the line keeps getting moved.

I usually just hear about people complaining about things being "too PC" when their defending themselves after intentionally acting like a-holes towards others

[Legion of 1337]

I usually just hear about people complaining about things being "too PC" when their defending themselves after intentionally acting like a-holes towards others

So what? I want the right to speak my mind. Freedom of expression >>> your feelings, every time.