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[Chashan]

Attacking a modder over a completely optional mod...

 

[...]

 

Now i just hope someone makes a mod that turns all characters blond, blue-eyed and white. For no other reason than just to make these peoples heads explode. And posts the hate mail for public ridicule.

Indeed.

 

Bonus-points for pointing out that in DA's setting, species tends to trump skin-colour.

 

(Possible exception: the irony of having a mage 'White Divine' Vivienne, who is actually dark-skinned, mirroring the 'Black Divine' of Tevinter in her mage-ness. But then, that's more of an ironic thing, really.)

 

Spoiler

Oh the memories. 

 

Suppose I am a terrible person for not dismissing that out of hand, then?

 

 

 

Then again, people apparently lost it over a retexture of Cassandra that featured optional variations sáns scar - a scar for which, in-game, there isn't an immediate explanation given, mind! -, bullying the author of that off nexus in a similar manner.

 

 

 

Anyway, closer to this thread's original topic, word of Mr Gaider himself on the matter:

 

 

Do fans react to fanfiction which changes a game character's sexuality the same way, or do mods hold some kind of special status? Curious.

 

 

and, in response to

 

 

 

[DISGUSTED NOISE] ‏@neomeruru 24h24 hours ago

@davidgaider I think it might come down to canon vs fanon; fanon is malleable and personal, but to deign to change the source material?

 

 

this:

 

 

Wouldn't that only apply if their mod changed your game whether you downloaded the mod or not?

 

 

Not exactly something that wasn't brought up here already, by one of the game's writers no less.

[Mirth]

It's time for some ZEN people.

You are only harassed if you allow yourself to be.
We all have choice. We "choose" to be offended by other people's actions and words, but it IS a choice we "make". Nobody forces you to be offended.

You can choose to be afraid, sad, happy, angry, insulted, melancholy, euphoria.. The entire gamut of human emotion.

Choice is our greatest gift.
Choose wisely.

[nightscrawl]

It's time for some ZEN people.

You are only harassed if you allow yourself to be.
We all have choice. We "choose" to be offended by other people's actions and words, but it IS a choice we "make". Nobody forces you to be offended.

You can choose to be afraid, sad, happy, angry, insulted, melancholy, euphoria.. The entire gamut of human emotion.

Choice is our greatest gift.
Choose wisely.

 
Sorry, but this is complete bulls**t. People do not CHOOSE to get violent death and/or rape threats. Some of the people get these threats in such a huge volume that they are impossible to ignore. Abuse by "fans" within the gaming industry is a huge problem, and isn't limited to the makers of mods. One Black Ops 2 developer got harassed after announcing minor patch changes to a gun in the game. The height of absurdity.
 
People need to grow up and learn to have reasonable discussions like adults, instead of resorting to mindless vitriol that serves no purpose. I don't care how offensive the mod is, the fault lies ONLY with the people that choose to level this hate against the modder because THEY, like animals, cannot control themselves.

[Mirth]

Sorry, but this is complete bulls**t. People do not CHOOSE to get violent death and/or rape threats. Some of the people get these threats in such a huge volume that they are impossible to ignore. Abuse by "fans" within the gaming industry is a huge problem, and isn't limited to the makers of mods. One Black Ops 2 developer got harassed after announcing minor patch changes to a gun in the game. The height of absurdity.
 
People need to grow up and learn to have reasonable discussions like adults, instead of resorting to mindless vitriol that serves no purpose. I don't care how offensive the mod is, the fault lies ONLY with the people that choose to level this hate against the modder because THEY, like animals, cannot control themselves.

Threaten me all you like. I will "choose" whether I am intimidated by your threats, or not.

It's my choice. Not yours.

Wave a gun in my face. Threaten me or my family, it's still MY choice how I react and feel about your threats.

Not YOURS.

Do you understand the difference? You do not get to choose how I feel. Period.
I let you, or do not allow, your actions/words to control my emotions, but it is always MY choice.

There is literally nothing you can do about it.

I can't prevent YOU from being cruel, insensitive... but I can most certainly choose how I react / feel about it.

Wanting the entire world to be enlightened and "grow up" as you put it, is a far bigger challenge than simply taking ownership and responsibility for "your" feelings. Don't you think?

[noxpanda]

Wow you er... weren't joking   (i didnt think you were, but i was hoping)

 

Ive not seen or heard a thing about a bi-dorian mod yet, though i noticed theres now a bi-blackwall mod.

I shall quote myself, since i was wrong. Turns out there is indeed a bi dorian mod, its just not up on nexus. I get a feeling theres gonna be another large wave of rage soon.

[BackdoorPaco]

 

 
Sorry, but this is complete bulls**t. People do not CHOOSE to get violent death and/or rape threats. Some of the people get these threats in such a huge volume that they are impossible to ignore. Abuse by "fans" within the gaming industry is a huge problem, and isn't limited to the makers of mods. One Black Ops 2 developer got harassed after announcing minor patch changes to a gun in the game. The height of absurdity.
 
People need to grow up and learn to have reasonable discussions like adults, instead of resorting to mindless vitriol that serves no purpose. I don't care how offensive the mod is, the fault lies ONLY with the people that choose to level this hate against the modder because THEY, like animals, cannot control themselves.

You could also tell the modder to grow up and expect reactions based on the 'edgy' content they're putting out. The world isn't this wonderland of peace, love, and respect.

Anyway, Mirth is right. You choose how you react to the actions of others, regardless of the severity.

[Melca36]

I shall quote myself, since i was wrong. Turns out there is indeed a bi dorian mod, its just not up on nexus. I get a feeling theres gonna be another large wave of rage soon.

 

 

Bi Dorian mod is evil and vile but I feel that way about all mods that erase a person's sexuality.  How a person mods there game is their business. I just think alot of people are modding their game out of spite.

[o Ventus]

Threaten me all you like. I will "choose" whether I am intimidated by your threats, or not.

It's my choice. Not yours.

Wave a gun in my face. Threaten me or my family, it's still MY choice how I react and feel about your threats.

Not YOURS.

Do you understand the difference? You do not get to choose how I feel. Period.
I let you, or do not allow, your actions/words to control my emotions, but it is always MY choice.

There is literally nothing you can do about it.

I can't prevent YOU from being cruel, insensitive... but I can most certainly choose how I react / feel about it.

Wanting the entire world to be enlightened and "grow up" as you put it, is a far bigger challenge than simply taking ownership and responsibility for "your" feelings. Don't you think?

 

 

 

You could also tell the modder to grow up and expect reactions based on the 'edgy' content they're putting out. The world isn't this wonderland of peace, love, and respect.

Anyway, Mirth is right. You choose how you react to the actions of others, regardless of the severity.

 

To both of you:

 

 

[Mirth]

Zen did not work well for Charlie Hebdo.

Interesting point. I never considered ZEN as a self-defense discipline, but now that you mention it... It does make sense...

[Draining Dragon]

Bi Dorian mod is evil and vile but I feel that way about all mods that erase a person's sexuality. How a person mods there game is their business. I just think alot of people are modding their game out of spite.

How is modding a game evil?

[Killdren88]

Bi Dorian mod is evil and vile but I feel that way about all mods that erase a person's sexuality. How a person mods there game is their business. I just think alot of people are modding their game out of spite.

If these moral crusaders think they have the authority to tell people what they can or can't do on their own video games I would understand doing that out of spite.

[sistersafetypin]

It's to be expected, people are incredibly simple and like to get worked up and mean over the stupidest things. That said, if that mod exists I'm going to have to get this game for PC. I don't know why Bioware keeps making badass Warrior Princesses and then ritually breaking my female PC's heart by not letting them be romance-able 

 

Sera's better then Merril... But I'd trade them both for Cassandra in DAI and Aveline in DA2

[parico]

wtf is going on??? there are way to many threads about characters sexuality on this forum lately. 

[JobacNoor]

wtf is going on??? there are way to many threads about characters sexuality on this forum lately. 

 

"Lately".

[Grieving Natashina]

"Lately".

I was thinking the same thing.

[nightscrawl]

So how do these things work anyway? Is the gender restriction simply removed and you still get all of the same dialog and such? If that's the case then it seems particularly bizarre for Dorian given the focus on m/m relations in his romance. It would be very strange to see a fem Inquisitor sit on the bed with him while he explains the whole situation and I'd imagine there would have to be some serious headcanon going on for that to even make sense.

[Tarlonniel]

That is indeed how it works. And of course there's headcanon required  - the whole idea is headcanon, basically, just with some borrowed dialogue and cinematics. Fanfic.

[Super Drone]

So how do these things work anyway? Is the gender restriction simply removed and you still get all of the same dialog and such? If that's the case then it seems particularly bizarre for Dorian given the focus on m/m relations in his romance. It would be very strange to see a fem Inquisitor sit on the bed with him while he explains the whole situation and I'd imagine there would have to be some serious headcanon going on for that to even make sense.

 

Cassandra says she wants a man to sweep her off her feet. And says people will say she was led astray by a "Madman"

 

Dorian's a outrageous disconnect as a m/f romance, but Cass's dialogue is not terribly gender neutral either.

[Zered]

wtf is going on??? there are way to many threads about characters sexuality on this forum lately. 

This is the natural state of the BSN.

 

'Can I bang it?'

[Killdren88]

This is the natural state of the BSN.

'Can I bang it?'

I wish people would take a page from the Japanese. If you need some form of Romantic connection in your life, play dating sims. Just leave Bioware RPGs out of it.

[tmp7704]

Threaten me all you like. I will "choose" whether I am intimidated by your threats, or not.

It's my choice. Not yours.

Wave a gun in my face. Threaten me or my family, it's still MY choice how I react and feel about your threats.

Not YOURS.

That's inaccurate. A number of our emotions happen on unconscious level in response to stimuli; the fight or flight response, e.g. which [i]will[i] trigger if I wave a gun in your face and give you a decent reason to believe I just might actually kill you. You can (try to) choose to override such reactions and effectively lie to yourself how you feel about them, but you aren't capable of erasing this automatic mechanism, and its trigger is in the hands of the other person, not yours.

To put it simpler you can choose how you react; how you feel though, it's more often than not a different story.

[tmp7704]

I wish people would take a page from the Japanese. If you need some form of Romantic connection in your life, play dating sims. Just leave Bioware RPGs out of it.

Someone should tell Atlus, sounds like they didn't get the memo and made their Persona games all wrong.

[Ieldra]

I can't prevent YOU from being cruel, insensitive... but I can most certainly choose how I react / feel about it.

I have yet to see the person who can choose to be afraid or not. Death threats on the internet are easy to ignore, but things get a little more difficult closer to home. Also, what you're advocating amounts to social Darwinism, it gives bullies free rein to do their thing if they can get away with it. That's not a culture where I would like to live. Well, unless I had free rein to kill those bullies, perhaps.

[AWTEW]

wtf is going on??? there are way to many threads about characters sexuality on this forum lately. 

 

This cycle cannot be stopped..it is inevitable...