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[Farangbaa]

Is it not right though? People throw so much focus and attention on Romance  and grabbing torches and pitchforks whenever Bioware doesn't address every single sexual orientation under the sun. People are so aggressive about the topic , I'm surprised Bioware has the patience to tolerate all the shouting and demands.

Isn't it the other way around? That people grab the pitchforks because certain sexualities are included?

And besides, someone who protests because he/she isn't represented is just, in my opinion. Someone who protests because others are represented is an awful human being, especially if his/her group is represented in every single medium of just about anything.

[Laughing_Man]

Isn't it the other way around? That people grab the pitchforks because certain sexualities are included?

And besides, someone who protests because he/she isn't represented is just, in my opinion. Someone who protests because others are represented is an awful human being, especially if his/her group is represented in every single medium of just about anything.

 

I don't think you get it. I don't want to see any kind of overt political crusading in my entertainment, no matter how justified you think it is.

Today it's one cause, tomorrow it's another. Want my support for your cause? Talk to me. Write an article or a blog.

 

Video games should concentrate on building a good story, on creating fun.

Who is included or not should be considered on the merit of making the game more entertaining. That's it.

[KaiserShep]

This thread is so stupid it should be featured on Last Week Tonight with John Olliver's segment "How is this still a thing?"

 

Harassing and sending threats and calling someone a rapist for making a mod they don't like is bad. Period. End of story. Anyone who disagrees is a horrible human being.

 

Why does this need to be discussed?

 

That wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as seeing why FIFA and tobacco companies are bags of dicks.

[Legion of 1337]

This is one problem a game where you play as a set character doesn't have.

 

The Witcher, for example, does not have these huge arguments about romance options. It's quite simple: Geralt sometimes has casual sex for the fun of it, off the bat he is romantically involved with Triss, and the only choice the player has is whether to 'truly' (as in, he's not just having one night stands or buying whores, he's actually in a relationship) cheat on Triss with another character (and it is just one other choice) you meet down the road, or stay with her (let's be honest, most people stay with her cuz Triss is awesome anyway). And everyone who plays the game just accepts that's how things are.

 

But as soon as you try to let people truly choose, then the **** hits the fan because there's only so many options you can put in and then everyone starts feeling entitled to getting an option suited to their tastes, as displayed by the hostility to the options for straight male players in DAI. And don't get me wrong, I agree with them, I don't like them and I honestly think it's because Bioware is switching their target audience to women and thus the aspects of the game that appeal most to women are written the best (there's a reason a female elf mage is considered the "best" Inquisitor to use). But it is their game and they can do what they like. Nevertheless, it still causes so much drama I honestly wouldn't care if the romantic subplot was ditched.

[Melca36]

This is one problem a game where you play as a set character doesn't have.

 

The Witcher, for example, does not have these huge arguments about romance options. It's quite simple: Geralt sometimes has casual sex for the fun of it, off the bat he is romantically involved with Triss, and the only choice the player has is whether to 'truly' (as in, he's not just having one night stands or buying whores, he's actually in a relationship) cheat on Triss with another character (and it is just one other choice) you meet down the road, or stay with her (let's be honest, most people stay with her cuz Triss is awesome anyway). And everyone who plays the game just accepts that's how things are.

 

But as soon as you try to let people truly choose, then the **** hits the fan because there's only so many options you can put in and then everyone starts feeling entitled to getting an option suited to their tastes, as displayed by the hostility to the options for straight male players in DAI. And don't get me wrong, I agree with them, I don't like them and I honestly think it's because Bioware is switching their target audience to women and thus the aspects of the game that appeal most to women are written the best (there's a reason a female elf mage is considered the "best" Inquisitor to use). But it is their game and they can do what they like. Nevertheless, it still causes so much drama I honestly wouldn't care if the romantic subplot was ditched.

 

 

I don't think the female elf is the best inquisitor to use. I played elves in all the games....I'm actually tired of the fandom putting elves on a pedestal.

 

And as for the Witcher games.........not a good comparison.   I like to play as a female character.  Hopefully the game developers have another game where women have a choice to play female characters

[giveamanafish...]

The problem starts when people start making distinctions.

 

It's "okay" to make Cassandra and Cullen bisexual because that's somehow pro-LGBT,

but not okay to make Sera available to male PC because that's an offense towards Lesbians.

 

People need to start minding their own business. Almost every mod is legitimate. (unless you go *really* crazy)

 

....

 

At this point the whole romance thing became so tainted with BS gender politics propaganda, that I half wish to see it scrapped entirely.

There are other areas that could use the resources invested in this.

This is where I came in. Given that the topic here is "hat-is-this-im-hearing-about-people-giving-a-modder-crap-for-making-a-cassandra-female-romance-mod"., Who is actually playing "BS gender politics"?  

 

You base your whole argument on a set of counter-factual assertions. And then you pretend that your're the one who is being reasonable: "People need to start minding their own business." .  In the context of your post, I woud have to say that you have a selective view of who is actually required tomind their own business. To you it seems that anyone who objects to a mod which turns a hetrosexual ccharacter bisexual has carrte blanche.

 

I think I'm getting a Jesus complex from this forum. Some of you people are so fing immature and unreasonable.

[Neleothesze]

First, I understand why some people might find a bi!Cassandra mod offensive, just like I would totally understand why people would find a bi!Dorian mod offensive. 

I don't. Why do so many people feel the need to become spokespeople for a cause that doesn't need to exist? For fucks sake.. We have Rule 34.... Most of the internet approves of or at least acknowledges Rule 34. And then they flip their **** because someone wrote some code to expand a romance (in a way that doesn't even objectify a character). 

 

I'm sorry to say that the countries which seem so proud of their support of all sexual inclinations are going nowhere nice. First that debacle with shaming children who "didn't want to support the LGBT agenda", now this other extreme, harassing someone for expanding a straight romance.

 

What ever happened to just NOT GIVING a **** about who fucks who? Live and let live. 

 

I'm one of the people who would have enjoyed both a bi!Dorian and a bi!Cassandra. Why? Because I would have loved to discover their romance with a female character. Why a female character? Why not? Do I love the idea of tarnishing/twisting a character to suit my own dark, devious, perverted needs? I hope not... But then again... a character is a character is a character. They were written to evoke an emotional response in the reader. So other writers ( in the case of fanfiction ) or players ( in the case of games ) might want to expand on that or even change it.. just to see what happens.

 

And oh dear, curiosity, the greatest of all mortal sins. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

the LGBT agenda

 

[Neleothesze]

Don't judge! Not my words, I'll make sure to add the quotation marks   for this: http://www.foxnews.c...d-in-classroom/ But seriously... I admit to not knowing how to rephrase that in a way that doesn't sound ridiculous - or less ridiculous that the fact that such matters (and similar ones) exist. So much news from the US (and not only) is just weird nowadays... no matter your gender or inclinations. And now we're seeing real people being harassed over imaginary characters. 

 

In this little, shining castle in the middle of nowhere... (or my country ,whichever sounds more likely) we don't care if you add cat ears to a character or change him into a woman or a man or a tentacle beast... Or make him/her/it like cat ears, men, women ... or tentacle beasts... And it's certainly not a reflection of any real-life views the person might be holding. Sadly... I keep finding out that for 7 billion other people (give or take some millions), life's a bit more black and white. I know, I'll have to stop being surprised by that some time soon.

[durengo]

I don't. I don't understand it. Why do so many people feel the need to become spokespeople for a cause that doesn't need to exist? For fucks sake.. We have Rule 34.... Most of the internet approves of or at least acknowledges Rule 34. And then they flip their **** because someone wrote some code to expand a romance (in a way that doesn't even objectify a character). 

 

I'm sorry to say that the countries which seem so proud of their support of all sexual inclinations are going nowhere nice. First that debacle with shaming children who "didn't want to support the LGBT agenda", now this other extreme, harassing someone for expanding a straight romance.

 

What ever happened to just NOT GIVING a **** about who fucks who? Live and let live. 

 

I'm one of the people who would have enjoyed both a bi!Dorian and a bi!Cassandra. Why? Because I would have loved to discover their romance with a female character. Why a female character? Why not? Do I love the idea of tarnishing/twisting a character to suit my own dark, devious, perverted needs? I hope not... But then again... a character is a character is a character. They were written to evoke an emotional response in the reader. So other writers ( in the case of fanfiction ) or players ( in the case of games ) might want to expand on that or even change it.. just to see what happens.

 

And oh dear, curiosity, the greatest of all mortal sins. 

They were written to evoke an emotional response in the reader. ?

exactly that hits the point.in the real world exist a difference if a person is bi or straight or gay.true there will be persons they would like to love a bi person even if they are only  gay or only straigt but...it exist also many peoples the are straight and love only other straight ones.. gay and love only other gay ones.. bi they love only other bi ones.

 

this difference will be swept away into the game if you make all companions to bi persons only to make sure that everyone can have a romance with them.

but...if you make as example a straight comapanion to a bi person .. then it would be less attractive for player the prefer to love in real and also in games  a companion who is nothing else as only straight like they are.

 

and yes the companions were written to evoke an emotional response to a reader. but not only to be able to feel a emotional love...the emotional response  could be also hate...sadness ..jealousy .. fear.. and so on.emotions comes up if you fall in love with a companion and he or she deny your feelings...other emotions comes up if a companion love you like you love the companion and  different emotions comes up if the companion wanna only be your friend or if he hates you...but you love  this companion.

 

if you make all companions only (as example ) bi....then the magic aspect of all the different emotions are gone because the companions can be used for all and they are spineless.

 

they haven't a own will then and the only emotion that will be createt is love or joy... and thats fake because of a mod..... that everyone feel only joy makes sense into a pink fairy.. carebear .. unicorn barbie world .. but not in dai.

[Neleothesze]

if you make as example a straight comapanion to a bi person .. then it would be less attractive for player the prefer to love in real and also in games  a companion who is nothing else as only straight like they are.

 

if you make all companions only (as example ) bi....then the magic aspect of all the different emotions are gone because the companions can be used for all and they are spineless.they haven't a own will then and the only emotion that will be createt is love or joy... and thats fake because of a mod..... that everyone feel only joy makes sense into a pink fairy.. carebear .. unicorn barbie world .. but not in dai.

"if you make as example a straight comapanion to a bi person .. then it would be less attractive for player the prefer to love in real and also in games  a companion who is nothing else as only straight like they are."

 

It was a mod. The harassment was on behalf of a mod. A player made modification that is in no way mandatory to download for anyone who doesn't already want it.

 

"that everyone feel only joy makes sense into a pink fairy.. carebear .. unicorn barbie world .. but not in dai"

 

But it's a personal choice. Why should anyone chastise a real person for altering how they want to perceive an imaginary world? Or sharing that option with people who want to alter their imaginary world in a similar way but don't have the technical know-how? What right does anyone have to say: "You're not allowed to post something because that changes the world to a state I can't see as realistic? Or good? Or right? Or moral?"

 

Many use games and movies and books as a form of escapism, because let's face it, the real world is not all rainbows and million-dollar prize tickets. Bioware expanded the romance options so that even more people could lose themselves in the game if they so chose to, in a life separate from the one they're forced to live due to monetary constraints, or the country they live in, or even something as mundane as the weather.

 

So WHY would anyone be allowed to whine about expanding the world in any way? Even making it into a "pink fairy... carebear... unicorn barbie world", though that's a straw-man argument right there, durengo, because making someone potentially able to like you doesn't equate 'twu-wuv forevew' and certainly not a "pink fairy and unicorn" place... which I can only assume is meant to convey something innocent and perfect. (because to me the imagery is fairly disturbing )

 

So why in a DA:I mod? Why not? Why police the content available for people to pick and choose from? Why try to shame anyone over it? Should we get started on who else polices free content for social and/or socio-political reasons and the names those people are called?

[durengo]

 

So why not DA:I?

 

you may real upset that you can't have a romance with the companion you would prefer?! good thats exact that what bioware had in mind: to ge a emotional response from the player if he have to deal with that what is called life and in such a life you didn't get always all what you wanna.

 

so why not dai? you gaved your own answer to that question already. because to be able to get a emotional response...and there are and always should be different ones.. and not only everytime one and the same.like it is now the response could be joy...upset.. bad feeling .. sadness.. love..surprise.. and many different more.

 

if you use a mod to change that then all will be only.. fake love .. fake love .. fake love

and the problem will be that you always keep in mind that your selected companion only said 'i love you too' because of a mod.

[Dinerenblanc]

Personally, I prefer to stick with the source material and have the characters the way they are. They were written in such away for a purpose, so let it be. I played as a female elf in my playthrough, and didn't find any of the romance options likable, so I didn't enter a relationship with anyone. In real life, you can't forcibly make a person like you, so I wouldn't do so here. Now, I know this isn't real life, but editing a character breaks immersion, and I hate doing that. Besides romancing is not the main reason I play this game anyway. All you get out of it is a couple of cutscenes and a few changes in the dialogue. As for the people who does use this mod, suit yourself. I can't say I will feel particularly comfortable with your choice, and I won't say I'm not judging for doing so, but I also won't get angry about it. 

[Neleothesze]

you may real upset that you can't have a romance with the companion you would prefer?! good thats exact that what bioware had in mind: to ge a emotional response from the player if he have to deal with that what is called life and in such a life you didn't get always all what you wanna.

 

so why not dai? you gaved your own answer to that question already. because to be able to get a emotional response...and there are and always should be different ones.. and not only everytime one and the same.like it is now the response could be joy...upset.. bad feeling .. sadness.. love..surprise.. and many different more.

 

if you use a mod to change that then all will be only fake love .. fake love .. fake love

Oh, you're perfectly correct for the first part. As I mentioned before, I felt truly sad and perhaps disappointed that I couldn't romance Cassandra or Dorian because I would have enjoyed having them as partners for two of my Inquisitors. And perhaps altering that wouldn't have made me happy in the end because the characters wouldn't have felt like themselves. Perhaps the changes wouldn't have meshed with the rest of the characters' personalities. (Especially if we take into account Dorian's personal quest and the drama he suffered with his family.)

 

But would I verbally abuse someone who made Solas gay in a mod for example (seeing as that would mean he would no longer romance my female Inquisitors)? I would not. Would I accuse them of basically forcing the character to engage in something it didn't want and likening this to rape? Yuck, never in a million years.

 

Because it's a choice. A choice I don't have to take into account or even approve of. And even though we are both on opposite sides of this argument here, would you, personally, go out of your way to insult a real person, because they have created, in your own words, "fake love"? To harass them and abuse them? To call them a rapist? Somehow... I doubt you would. 

 

And that's the core. I'm just shocked anyone would... or rather... that so many people would.  And that there are people even here, who are excusing such behaviour by saying.. "I understand where they're coming from." Just, NO.

 

There's a world of difference between understanding why someone wouldn't like strawberries forced to grow in the shape of a cube... and understanding why someone tipped over the seller's stall, spit an insult and stomped on the strawberries.

 

The first is an emotion that someone may or may not feel. The second is a violent act that shouldn't be excused or encouraged.

[Damican]

WTF did i just read....

 

So..let me get this straight:

 

Someone made a mod that made Cassandra a romance option to females, and people lost their minds over it.  Think about that for a second. People got upset because someone changed a sexual preferance of a FICTIONAL character in a SINGLE PLAYER game.

 

I'd be more understanding of people being upset if Bioware came up with this change, but this isn't mandatory. How does someone who decides to use the mod, impact my opinion or enjoyment of the game? It doesn't.

[Ieldra]

What ever happened to just NOT GIVING a **** about who fucks who? Live and let live.

This deserves to be repeated almost ad infinitum.

[MaxQuartiroli]

So why in a DA:I mod? Why not? Why police the content available for people to pick and choose from? Why try to shame anyone over it? Should we get started on who else polices free content for social and/or socio-political reasons and the names those people are called?

 

Do you know where the problem lies? Because no one put an end to this. Harassers are allowed to do whatever they want every single time.

Meanwhile the people who manage sites, forums and SN just look away without lifting a single finger in order to defend everyone is attacked. I have always wondered where is the problem with the BAN option and why it isn't used more often.

 

Let's be realistic: unpolite people will always exits, together with bullies, harassers and so on. I don't blame them for being that way, I blame whoever allow them to be that way, especially in places where people are supposed to stay together in a civil way and be free to express themselves in the mutual respect . In this specific case it was the Nexus which chose to look to another way and pretended to not see anything while a poor girl was being butchered by an horde of barbarians. But things like that happens everytime and everywhere over the internet.

 

I am an administrator of a big and very active forum and when things like that happens I don't have a single problem in removing posts and ban whoever comes to taint the discussions with their incivility. What should I fear? To lose users? I don't really care to lose THAT kind of users. I'd rather not have them in my site. Should I fear about trolls? Let them open another account to post again. They lose 30 minutes in order to create a mail, a new profile, activate it and so on.. and it takes me 1 second to ban them again.

[KainD]

Some people should grow a thicker skin and some should stop carring about offending others.

[durengo]

 

Because it's a choice. A choice I don't have to take into account or even approve of. And even though we are both on opposite sides of this argument here, would you, personally, go out of your way to insult a real person, because they have created, in your own words, "fake love"? To harass them and abuse them? To call them a rapist? Somehow... I doubt you would. 

 

And that's the core. I'm just shocked anyone would... or rather... that so many people would.  And that there are people even here, who are excusing such behaviour by saying.. "I understand where they're coming from." Just, NO.

 

There's a world of difference between understanding why someone wouldn't like strawberries forced to grow in the shape of a cube... and understanding why someone tipped over the seller's stall, spit an insult and stomped on the strawberries.

 

The first is an emotion that someone may or may not feel. The second is a violent act that shouldn't be excused or encouraged.

you are right, i wouldn't insult anyone only because of different points of view and i agree that it is shocking that this happens.

its a shame . but either way.. insults are a part of many discussions and they come from both sides . the problem is also that people react with a insult if they got insulted before.

[JosieRevisited]

This is actually highly amusing, considering the design of the character herself is... a little on the ambiguous side. She was a rather odd choice for a straight only romance. Josephine might have been a better option, but there it is. Still, folks need to calm down and not worry about it. I certainly wouldn't care if someone posted a mod because they wanted to romance Sera. It doesn't change her canon, just the individual user's experience. It's not a big deal. 

[X Equestris]

This is actually highly amusing, considering the design of the character herself is... a little on the ambiguous side. She was a rather odd choice for a straight only romance.

Are you really going to break out that argument?

[ThreeF]

This is actually highly amusing, considering the design of the character herself is... a little on the ambiguous side. She was a rather odd choice for a straight only romance.

Abort. Abort. Abort.

[Laughing_Man]

This is where I came in. Given that the topic here is "hat-is-this-im-hearing-about-people-giving-a-modder-crap-for-making-a-cassandra-female-romance-mod"., Who is actually playing "BS gender politics"?  

...To you it seems that anyone who objects to a mod which turns a hetrosexual ccharacter bisexual has carrte blanche.

 

Well, you missed quite a bit of the argument then.

 

Also, you made sure to ignore and remove from your quote the part where I am against any kind of mod-censorship, no matter if the mod is intended to cater to straight people or LGBT. Quite typical I must say.

 

What I said all along is very simple: Don't be a hypocrite. Live and let live. You fight for equality and freedoms for LGBT?

Don't try to doing it by taking away freedoms from other people. That's not just hypocritical, you are shooting yourself in the leg.

 

And if that's not clear enough for you, here: I fully support the mod that made Cassandra Bi, and will support the right of any kind of mod that adds more options and ways to play to the core game.

[JosieRevisited]

Are you really going to break out that argument?

 

What argument? I'm not campaigning for a change in design, just suggesting people to back off of the modders. It's just not a big deal but clearly some people feel VERY strongly about this. It's... wow. Just wow. 

 

Might want to take a few breaths there. 

 

EDIT: I regret posting in this thread now. I took the advice in some of the earlier posts and did some searching which brought me to an insanely long reddit thread... I am ashamed of all of us as a race. It's despicable what you (and I am using the term 'you' to collectively refer to any and all who participated in the vicious attacks on this modder) have done. Absolutely despicable and unnecessary. Grow up. 

[damain56]

What is wrong with Bioware fanboys? When people make lousy mods for Skyrim or New Vegas you don't get this vitriol and hate. To install a mod in DAI you have to seek out the mod, download it, go through a lot of **** just to install it or use the DAI_Modmanager and it's still a pain in the butt.so if someone goes to the trouble to make a mod why create a stink about it? If this was released on the Nexus I'm surprised all those users weren't banned. In any event,who gives a damn about how others play their game? They aren't participating in a tournament or other competition.