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[JosieRevisited]

 

These are mods for Christ sakes. Either install or don't. It's that simple. Why get all butthurt and uncomfortable about something you can simply ignore?

 

 

I think this is what probably bothers me the most about the whole thing. The mod doesn't change canon. It doesn't make Cassandra actually bi. Her canon is her canon and that's the way it is. All the mod does is allow someone to experience that small part of the story without changing everything else about their chosen character. 

 

So then the question is, why are some so uncomfortable with the *idea* that someone *might* be using an *optional* mod? Does it affect your gameplay in some negative way? Does it rewrite her canon on the wiki? No, the wiki still lists her as being an option only for a male inquisitor. So what precisely is the issue here? The character isn't a real person, it's a fictional persona and we've slashed up fictional personas for decades over on fanfiction without a fraction of the vicious attention this *one* mod has gotten. 

 

It's... disturbing and I'm not certain I really want my suspicions confirmed about what this character represents to the folks who drove these attacks.

[FaWa]

I don't agree with these kind of mods because it goes against what the writers originally intended.

 

If you can't romance a character because of your character's race/gender/etc., get over it. Make a new character that can.

Cool, so don't download the ****** mod! It might be really hard to resist the temptation but you can do it! I believe in you!!

[Zobert]

Links pls.

If that's true it's crap. Nobody said anything about Morrigan, Ashley, Bastila, or Dawn Star mods.

 

Plus she's like baically a lesbian dream woman.  She's up there with Shane from the Lword in sapphic hotness factor.  Watch people crap the bed if some female mods Dorian.  Trust.

[Tarlonniel]

Dorian has been modded. There was controversy. The mod remains because the modder - and the community behind them - stood their ground.

[Thane4Ever]

Dorian has been modded. There was controversy. The mod remains because the modder - and the community behind them - stood their ground.

so has Solas and I haven't really heard much about it. 

[JosieRevisited]

Plus she's like baically a lesbian dream woman.  She's up there with Shane from the Lword in sapphic hotness factor.  Watch people crap the bed if some female mods Dorian.  Trust.

 

Uh... I wouldn't go that far. She's got some not entirely unfortunate traits, but I wouldn't put her up there with the classic icons of our culture. 

 

Still, if there was controversy over Dorian's mod that is just as ridiculous. Do these people also troll fanfiction and deviantart for anyone who dares to write or draw something that isn't canon? What a waste of energy. 

[Han Shot First]

 

My point still stands: there aren't enough options that are exclusively for the hetero boys. One just isn't enough representation, and if there had been more than one, this situation with the modder might not have happened. We can argue about what men 'should' want all day long, but regardless, Bioware needs to either give everyone equal treatment, or take it out entirely. Skewing away from hetero males is NOT equal treatment. One exclusive option isn't enough. 

 

I've seen that argument frequently made on this forum, but I'm not sure I understand it. DA:I actually has the same number of options as there was for straight male protagonists in DA:O and DA2: two. In DA:O the options were Morrigan and Leliana and In DA2 it was Isabela or Merrill. I could understand if there were less options in DA:I than in previous games, but that isn't the case. 

[JosieRevisited]

I've seen that argument frequently made on this forum, but I'm not sure I understand it. DA:I actually has the same number of options as there was for straight male protagonists in DA:O and DA2: two. In DA:O the options were Morrigan and Leliana and In DA2 it was Isabela or Merrill. I could understand if there were less options in DA:I than in previous games, but that isn't the case. 

 

I'm comparing it to the equivalent hetero female options in this game. Females get 3 completely, totally, utterly hetero options. Solas, Cullen, Blackwall. Two may be race locked, but it's still a lot more than the guys got. 

 

Guys get Cassandra, and that's it. Nothing to do with previous games. I'm talking strictly about DA:I. 

 

As an aside, there's only two women PERIOD for men to romance, and that's... well... it's unfair. It's Cassandra or Josephine, and that's it. Female inquisitors get four males, when you add in Bull. Granted, none of them are terribly appealing with the exception of perhaps Cullen, but it's still a LOT more choice. 

 

Believe me, it's just as strange to me to find myself in this position, making the comments I am making, but the funny thing about championing equality is that you have to actually... Champion equality. Guys got shafted, period. 

[X Equestris]

I'm comparing it to the equivalent hetero female options in this game. Females get 3 completely, totally, utterly hetero options. Solas, Cullen, Blackwall. Two may be race locked, but it's still a lot more than the guys got. 
 
Guys get Cassandra, and that's it. Nothing to do with previous games. I'm talking strictly about DA:I. 
 
As an aside, there's only two women PERIOD for men to romance, and that's... well... it's unfair. It's Cassandra or Josephine, and that's it. Female inquisitors get four males, when you add in Bull. Granted, none of them are terribly appealing with the exception of perhaps Cullen, but it's still a LOT more choice. 
 
Believe me, it's just as strange to me to find myself in this position, making the comments I am making, but the funny thing about championing equality is that you have to actually... Champion equality. Guys got shafted, period.

Everyone who didn't play female humans or elves got less.

[Super Drone]

I think there's a lot of disappointment in general for straight males in regards to Inquisition, and that's why everything regarding the female Romances is so fever pitch.

 

guys were disappointed when Sera was announced female only.

 

Then when it was revealed they only had two options

 

then again when Josephine's romance was revealed to be chaste/asexual/ambiguous.

 

 

So now, pretty much anyone doing anything regarding Cassandra (who was essentially the only special thing straight guys had) is going to cause someone to flip out. Feelings are hurt, and disappointment is still fresh.

 

It's still not right to attack the Modder, but it would explain why things are so much more heated over a Cas mod then, say, a Miranda Lawson mod.

[Seraphim24]

You are now beating the chalk outline of the dead horse. Stop it. Just. Stop.

 

Yeah how is this still going, surely there are better things to do than argue about this until the end of time...

 

..not to mention this is yet another instance of 90% of the commentary being directed on a whole host of subject matter not really related to the topic.

 

As long as a topic involves "penis, bisexuality, pansexuality, homosexuality, orientation, attractiveness, gender roles, objectification, vagina, romance," etc. etc. it triggers an avalanche of material on just about every conceivable subject.

 

Someone should just start "The sex thread" and make it non-specific so everyone can just talk about whatever until the end of time. I'd also like to think that somehow all these discussions are leading to something.. like.. a better game or.. whatever.

[ThreeF]

Someone should just start "The sex thread" and make it non-specific so everyone can just talk about whatever until the end of time. I'd also like to think that somehow all these discussions are leading to something.. like.. a better game or.. whatever.

it just lets people blow some steam and work on that frustration

[Legion of 1337]

Miranda, was an overly objectified character. Her sole design-pourpose in the game was to be a sex-object, blatantly obvious when she was dressed in the 'cat suit' when she was supposed to be hiding from cerberus The ass shots were also eyeroll-worthy...and the accent was really insulting.

Pretty much.

Sorry, but cass is a brilliant character

Quite true

and an example of what females in the media/magazines should be represented as. This ideal that the media/porn have instilled in men is disgusting, and affects their relationships, womens mental health, (and porn can even lead men down the road to pedophilia). Heck it's even affecting child ring younger than five, with how they dress and toddler- pagents .

If we are to make progress in the gaming society, improve its reputation, and stop encouraging sexual-assult (aka con ass-grabs).Which games too often do, to various degrees.Then characters like Miranda need to become the rarity and not the rule.

Oh plz it's one game. The straight-boys 'often' over-sexulised characters are bad-idea that has detrimental effects on society.

And then you lost it.

This idea that media and porn make men more sexist is flat out untrue and is simply a lie you SJWs use to justify demonizing us when we make things you dont like. Yeah, ots blatant famservice to make ass shots of Miranda. I think its unnecessary amd awkward, but so what? Im not gonna complain and crusade to make games more progressive just because they dont all fit my sensibilities.

Your blatant lies and generalization about men indeed paint YOU as the sexist here.

[PillarBiter]

1) people will always find something to ****** about

2) someone somewhere will always be offended no matter what you do

3) the dumber and more wrong they are, the louder the media will represent it

 

That's what all this is about. Until people learn that equality isn't justice, **** like this is going to keep happening.

[SwobyJ]

I want a Blackwall m/m romance mod.

 

I'm not performing blood magic here. They're not sentient nor sapient. And I don't consider it canon.

 

It'll be my own fun alternate universe. Fanfiction. Let me be. lol

 

I didn't really read this thread btw.

[LinksOcarina]

I find it hilarious when people claim that changing the sexuality of a fictional character is a bigotry.

Fictional characters are not people. I didn't start calling people murderers when they chose to wipe out the quarians in ME3, even though I romanced Tali and think the quarians are one of the coolest races in ME.

Go ahead and make everyone bisexual, if you really want to.

 

They tried that already in Dragon Age II. People bitched about it. 

[Realmzmaster]

The mod is optional. The gamer has to download the mod and install it. That is a choice. No one is making anyone use the mod. I do not understand the outcry. The game's canon does not change.

 

As LinksOcarina stated DA2 has mostly player sexual characters (except for Aveline and Varric). Posters were upset about that. That was in game. The mod is not canon. It is a choice. Gamers have the option to use it or not.

[Seraphael]

Whilst I strongly think changing a characters sexuallity to meet your own desires is incredibly wrong, its equally wrong to send harassment to someone who does it. 

 

Please do explain! Why is this, in your mind, in any way wrong let alone incredibly wrong? If it's incredibly wrong, then the person behind it would certainly deserve some harassment, or at the very least the harassers wouldn't been incedibly wrong for doing so.

 

Seems to me you are trying to sit on both sides of the politically correct conformist fence, condemning both the witch and the mob that chase after her with pitchforks and torches. Talk about being incedibly PC. Socialist cancer of the West.

[Abyss108]

Please do explain! Why is this, in your mind, in any way wrong let alone incredibly wrong? If it's incredibly wrong, then the person behind it would certainly deserve some harassment, or at the very least the harassers wouldn't been incedibly wrong for doing so.

 

Seems to me you are trying to sit on both sides of the politically correct conformist fence, condemning both the witch and the mob that chase after her with pitchforks and torches. Talk about being incedibly PC.

 

Uh, no. Doing something wrong does not mean you deserve to be harassed. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that. 

 

What you call politically correct, I call not being an ass.

[JosieRevisited]

Two wrongs certainly do not make a right, but that forces us to examine this notion of "wrong". 

 

It is "wrong" to force a living person into a sexual encounter against their will. We can all agree, this is wrong, yes? The implication is that the individual in question has "will" and can exercise it to communicate his or her thoughts and desires. 

 

Enter the world of fantasy, where character personas are created and manipulated in ways that no one would dream of in real life. It may be personally distasteful to you that another person creates a fantasy in their head (about ANOTHER complete fantasy, mind you), but that does not make it "wrong". Some are confusing fantasy with reality. Cassandra is not a real person. She is not the victim of some kind of violence. She is not even aware of what is happening in our imaginations or in this thread or in that mod, because she doesn't really exist.

 

The internet has proven to be a spectacular tool to bring us all together and enlighten us, but we are in very real danger of personifying it to the point that we are ready to throw away everything we value in reality just to protect an imagined insult against a few pixels.

 

Folks, this is the edge. Back away from it. 

[SwobyJ]

*Plummets into the abyss* lol

[Abyss108]

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks its wrong because it will hurt Cassandra...

[rigron]

It´s very funny how people are more concerned and rage more over how an individual decides to enjoy his/her game or about how he/she make a completely optional mod to give more freedom and possibilities to other players who voluntarily make use of that mod to have more options and freedom without hurting anyone than over real life problems.

 

Seriously, some videogames and companies fan base (and sadly, a huge part of Bioware´s fan base is one of them) are just plain sad.

 

Two wrongs certainly do not make a right, but that forces us to examine this notion of "wrong". 

 

It is "wrong" to force a living person into a sexual encounter against their will. We can all agree, this is wrong, yes? The implication is that the individual in question has "will" and can exercise it to communicate his or her thoughts and desires. 

 

Enter the world of fantasy, where character personas are created and manipulated in ways that no one would dream of in real life. It may be personally distasteful to you that another person creates a fantasy in their head (about ANOTHER complete fantasy, mind you), but that does not make it "wrong". Some are confusing fantasy with reality. Cassandra is not a real person. She is not the victim of some kind of violence. She is not even aware of what is happening in our imaginations or in this thread or in that mod, because she doesn't really exist.

 

The internet has proven to be a spectacular tool to bring us all together and enlighten us, but we are in very real danger of personifying it to the point that we are ready to throw away everything we value in reality just to protect an imagined insult against a few pixels.

 

Folks, this is the edge. Back away from it.

 

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