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[AresKeith]

"Cultural context" my ass. This is a game made by a Canadian company, marketed towards a modern Western audience. If the primary audience were religious zealots stuck in the 1950's, I would understand.

 

The point about blackface and whiteface is incredibly dumb. Even if someone doesn't get offended by "whiteface", that doesn't make it any less racist. Also, are you kidding me with this? There's a whole host of things white people aren't "allowed" (for lack of a better term) to do, because they're stereotyped as being for minorities. Unless your name is Eminem, you shouldn't ever try to rap if you're white, you'll be seen as a racist poser.

 

This whole "gay people can't be a**holes towards straight people" and "you can't be racist towards white people" idea is stupid and backwards. Everyone has the capacity to be an a**hole to anyone. Just because white and straight people aren't a minority group doesn't make offensive things against them any less offensive.

 

Don't you just love double standards

[JosieRevisited]

Don't you just love double standards

 

I'm not certain it's so much that there's a double standard as a general feeling of powerlessness that's not being expressed very well. Gay people can certainly be (and have been) jackhats to straight people. The consequences of it aren't quite as compelling, though. Prop 8 is a good example. Bunch of frightened straight people got together and decided to deny something to a minority group because they didn't understand\were being vindictive\believed propaganda.

 

LGBT can't do something like that. As individuals we can be jackhats to one another, but there are definitely differences in the way that jackhatishness can manifest and it's historically been in favor of the majority. So, there's a perception there that the harm isn't quite on the same level as the people who have real power to take things away from that smaller group. 

[Eternal Phoenix]

I find it hilarious when people claim that changing the sexuality of a fictional character is a bigotry.

Fictional characters are not people. I didn't start calling people murderers when they chose to wipe out the quarians in ME3, even though I romanced Tali and think the quarians are one of the coolest races in ME.

Go ahead and make everyone bisexual, if you really want to.

 

Not only that but if Dorian was made straight then you'd have the OP and others like him moaning about it saying it's bigotry to change his sexuality. Change a straight person to gay though and apparently that's okay.

 

I've seen this in media before (particularly TV). When an hinted gay character actually turns out being straight, gay fans take to twitter and social media to complain. When a hinted straight character is suddenly turned gay though, nobody cares.

 

It's just gay activists trying to make something out of nothing. Not everything is homophobic guys and I imagine most of the people complaining about the mod were die-hard Cassandra fans who believed it was lore-breaking or what not. Contrary to the OP's suggestion, the DA fandom has always been like this and I've seen people get angry over mods which have simply changed the appearances of companions (change in their facial features, sexualized, different hair colour etc).

[o Ventus]

I'm not certain it's so much that there's a double standard as a general feeling of powerlessness that's not being expressed very well. Gay people can certainly be (and have been) jackhats to straight people. The consequences of it aren't quite as compelling, though. Prop 8 is a good example. Bunch of frightened straight people got together and decided to deny something to a minority group because they didn't understand\were being vindictive\believed propaganda.

 

LGBT can't do something like that. As individuals we can be jackhats to one another, but there are definitely differences in the way that jackhatishness can manifest and it's historically been in favor of the majority. So, there's a perception there that the harm isn't quite on the same level as the people who have real power to take things away from that smaller group. 

 

No, it's a double standard, especially when people b**ch and complain about it in this day and age when it's illegal in civilized nations to discriminate against gay/black/[insert minority] people. Just because of group of retards who are too stupid to tie their own shoes pass some kind of legislation (not even federal legislation) doesn't make it okay (or, at least, not as bad) to be an a**hole to straight people.

 

Also, lolwat? LGBT most certainly CAN do something like that. Since the media is so up-in-arms about being politically correct, all it takes is for someone who isn't in a minority group to say something that could be misconstrued as homophobic (even if the intent is very clearly not) and LGBT activists will jump on it and use it to demonize the person who said it and turn that person into a pariah.

 

Again, the whole notion of "well, there are more straight people than gay people, so gay people can't really be discriminant towards straight people" is f**king stupid. "I'm allowed to be a piece of garbage to them, there's more of them than there are of me!" is illogical and mean-spirited. People who advocate that don't want equality, they want advantages and special treatment becuase they happened to be born a certain way. That's just another form of elitism. "Oh, you're not gay? Well, f**k you, you don't get pandered to by anybody, and you don't get to complain, you're STRAIGHT."

[Unpleasant Implications]

Well, It's nice to see this thread is still a place of love and peace, signifying the unity of the board.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

No, it's a double standard, especially when people b**ch and complain about it in this day and age when it's illegal in civilized nations to discriminate against gay/black/[insert minority] people. 

I don't know where you live, but in the state where I live, I can still be fired from my job purely because I'm gay and I wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on to protest it. You're pretty grossly uninformed.

[o Ventus]

I don't know where you live, but in the state where I live, I can still be fired from my job purely because I'm gay and I wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on to protest it. You're pretty grossly uninformed.

I live on Florida, one of the most historically homophobic states in the U.S. It took us until January of this year to legalize gay marriage.

 

Your post also doesn't tell me anything unless you also say who you work for and what your job is. Job contracts vary from employer-to-employer, and if you're an at-will employee, they can fire you for literally anything and it will be legal. That doesn't automatically make it homophobic.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I live on Florida, one of the most historically homophobic states in the U.S. It took us until January of this year to legalize gay marriage.

 

Your post also doesn't tell me anything unless you also say who you work for and what your job is. Job contracts vary from employer-to-employer, and if you're an at-will employee, they can fire you for literally anything and it will be legal. That doesn't automatically make it homophobic.

You literally just said that it's illegal to discriminate against gay people in "civilized" countries when that's a completely falsity. At-will employment doesn't trump federal anti-discrimination statutes for things like race, sex, age, or handicap status. The same is not true for LGBT people because sexual orientation and gender identity aren't protected in most states.

[Mihura]

I don't think I will.

 

The  concept of "Corrective rape" is the worst kind of barbarism I can conceive of. A victim of that is entitled to a great many things. None of them are getting a pass at ethical hypocrisy. Because no one gets a pass at that.

 

If only the world was that black and white. I sure would like to live in that world but that does not exists. 

[Unpleasant Implications]

If only the world was that black and white. I sure would like to live in that world but that does not exists.

I wouldn't. Black and white means absolute good or absolute evil. The spectrum is what allows society as we know to exist. Can you even imagine the horror of a world without it?

[o Ventus]

You literally just said that it's illegal to discriminate against gay people in "civilized" countries when that's a completely falsity. At-will employment doesn't trump federal anti-discrimination statutes for things like race, sex, age, or handicap status. The same is not true for LGBT people because sexual orientation and gender identity aren't protected in most states.

It actually does.

 

At least half the nation (26 out of the 50 states, last I checked) have some form of protection for gay people against job discrimination, though it depends on what kind of job it is. In Nevada, for example, they're totally protected. In Montana, they're only protected if they work for the state. Private employers and business owners can fire employees for whatever reason they choose. Also, even in states where it isn't completely and totally protected, full protection is passed in certain voting precincts for people who live and work in those precincts. "Fired for being gay" is technically legal in Florida, but a good 40-50% of the state doesn't actually allow it to happen because the precincts are covered.

[ripslip]

This thread is a hot mess.

[Mihura]

I wouldn't. Black and white means absolute good or absolute evil. The spectrum is what allows society as we know to exist. Can you even imagine the horror of a world without it?

 

I am talking about not bringing you own personal bias and experiences to the table when talking about what is "ethical hypocrisy" or not. Being fair to everyone is a concept that only exists in a black and white world. And the double standards argument only works in that said system.

That system does not exists and people are kidding themselves if they can be "true neutrals". 

[Steelcan]

we still going on about this?

[realguile]

I only came back to see if this thread was as painful and pathetic to read as the Raps vs. Spurs game is to watch right now....

 

Back to the raptors!

[AresKeith]

Why couldn't people let this thread die?

[Seraphim24]

No, it's a double standard, especially when people b**ch and complain about it in this day and age when it's illegal in civilized nations to discriminate against gay/black/[insert minority] people. Just because of group of retards who are too stupid to tie their own shoes pass some kind of legislation (not even federal legislation) doesn't make it okay (or, at least, not as bad) to be an a**hole to straight people.

 

Also, lolwat? LGBT most certainly CAN do something like that. Since the media is so up-in-arms about being politically correct, all it takes is for someone who isn't in a minority group to say something that could be misconstrued as homophobic (even if the intent is very clearly not) and LGBT activists will jump on it and use it to demonize the person who said it and turn that person into a pariah.

 

Again, the whole notion of "well, there are more straight people than gay people, so gay people can't really be discriminant towards straight people" is f**king stupid. "I'm allowed to be a piece of garbage to them, there's more of them than there are of me!" is illogical and mean-spirited. People who advocate that don't want equality, they want advantages and special treatment becuase they happened to be born a certain way. That's just another form of elitism. "Oh, you're not gay? Well, f**k you, you don't get pandered to by anybody, and you don't get to complain, you're STRAIGHT."

 

Yeah I'd basically have to agree with this too. Being gay, or lesbian, or whatever, does not automatically make you a saint or prevent you from being a horrible person. Much in the same way that being straight does not automatically make you a saint or prevent you from being a nasty person. I have encountered people who were gay who I thought were pretty nasty people, and nastiness hurts whatever the orientation of the person espousing it. I've also encountered completely fun and friendly people who were gay and that's just fine. It's not about orientations here, but personality.

 

The idea that somehow gay on straight nastiness is less valid or less affecting than straight on gay or something is kind of absurd to me.

[Steelcan]

Why couldn't people let this thread die?

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger

[Lewie]

The only place that I see discrimination, is in here. 

 

If that is a real word I will like die on the spot.

[Legion of 1337]

What is it about Bioware that attracts the tumblr marxist crowd thats evidently showed up in this thread? Is this what happens when you ARE inclusive, you have to suffer the attraction of these idiots towards the game?

[Lewie]

What is it about Bioware that attracts the tumblr marxist crowd thats evidently showed up in this thread? Is this what happens when you ARE inclusive, you have to suffer the attraction of these idiots towards the game?

Bioware doesn't attract those idiots. The people that come in here advertise their own bullshit. 

[Legion of 1337]

Bioware doesn't attract those idiots. The people that come in here advertise their own bullshit.

But they dont come in such numbers with other games. Hell this forum is the greatest concentration ive seen on a game forum. Theres more links to tumblr here than on any game forum ive ever seen.

[Unpleasant Implications]

What is it about Bioware that attracts the tumblr marxist crowd thats evidently showed up in this thread? Is this what happens when you ARE inclusive, you have to suffer the attraction of these idiots towards the game?

I blame the romance side quests.

[Killdren88]

What is it about Bioware that attracts the tumblr marxist crowd thats evidently showed up in this thread? Is this what happens when you ARE inclusive, you have to suffer the attraction of these idiots towards the game?

 

Tumblr is the root of all evil. They constantly undermine good worthy causes with their extremist BS who see Racism, sexisim, and every other ism out there in even the most harmless places. Also the people who play these games solely for the romance...and if you do that, then your playing video games wrong....at the very least these kinds of games...plenty of dating sims out there..just saying.

[Lewie]

Unless I am mistaken and people are responsible for their own gaming choices and lives and pixel murders and sexuality and who to argue with tomorrow because damn I am mad as hell... this game has ruined my life.

 

I cannot even look at Sera because she is a lesbian, I cannot look at Dorian because he is gay.

 

I am straight and accept anyones sexuality yet this thread is showing me bad reasons for these characters.

 

Good job all you idiots.