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[cheydancer]

And to think about it - people want to romance their beloved characters so badly that they have to put up with broken lines, no voice dialogs, plot inconsistency (like with Dorian - should such mod appear his personal quest will make no sense). It's THEIR game and they want to play it the way they want it - what is so wrong with that?

 

Was always curious - do fanfics about "wrong" relationship with companions get the same reception? Outrage and so on?

 

P.S. If anyone interested, there are people who preserved that particular mod. If only for a while: http://daitools.free...-mods-t533.html

Yes, fanfics that featured previously hetero characters as gay or bi often acquire quite a few haters.  At least in the early days when I wrote Starsky/Hutch and Spock/McCoy 

Even now, quite a few yaoi writers that I read on the net will post 'flames will be used to toast marshmallows' or 'if you don't like m/m, what are you doing here?'

I'd like to think things will eventually calm down and everyone will have a live and let live attitude.  My son says I'm a dreamer.  I think the world has a place for dreamers. 

[BigEvil]

 

Was always curious - do fanfics about "wrong" relationship with companions get the same reception? Outrage and so on?

 

 

 

Fanfic seems to get it's own automatic hate from some just for existing. Isn't going to stop me re-telling the siege of Caer Bronach with one of my Inquisitors (and Iron Bull shoulder-barging a bandit off the walls and making a cheesy 80s one-liner), and shouldn't stop anyone else writing whatever they want to.

 

It sucks that people will harass the modder over something like this. Maybe it's a new wave of fans that don't get modding in general, but I've seen several comments on the boards since DA:I came out that seem to imply modding at all is some terrible thing.

 

Full support to the modder from me, what people want to do with their game is up to them, and I'll use whatever mods I feel like using. Modding is a great thing. Now I'll go back to playing on PS4 and pining for a PC good enough to play DA:I. Be excellent to each other.

[Draining Dragon]

Kill yourself, ******.

Well, that's not very nice.

[Nimlowyn]

.....There are some very unhealthy people on the internet. 

[ThreeF]

It is the other way around. Since she gave up here I took her account for me, first time I did it so without her consent but after I convinced her you all deserve my bullshit she just quit and left the account for me. In fact she had another account that I perma banned a looong time ago, so she made me create my own account, and created another for herself, but, well, I need multiple accounts to keep the hating up. I'm still lazy to create multiple accounts, but if they ip block me I will have to go with the standard procedure of multiple accounts and proxies and variable ips which I'm not really in the mood since Inquisition depresses me quite a lot.

How the heck do you cope with all this hate stress. Does is worth it to wreak your body so?

[Kirasdream13]

Even though I'm a straight woman, I wanted to romance Cassandra AS a woman more than anyone in the game since I loved her character.  Perhaps it goes against canon for her to be bi, but mods present options. You want to run around naked around skyhold?  Go for it!  Want a new set of clothes for your inquisitor?  No problem! Want to romance someone that you couldn't?  Why the heck not?  If you don't want any of these options, then don't download them.  Total support for the mod from me.

[katokires]

Kill yourself, ******.

I would like to, really, a lot, but I'm to coward to do that. I've been wanting to since I was younger, but I am unable to become atheist so I am afraid of both heaven and hell. I don't want pain and specially I REALLY don't want to get healthy, I prefer to burn in hell for eternity than to become someone sane and good but I can't choose. Completely disappearing is fine, I already asked thousand of times for god to simply erase my existance, I don't mind not existing. I would really love to be an atheist and just suicide =(

But since I'm too coward to try, enjoy my awesome posts.

[r.anger]

LOL....thought this was a game!! I love the modders, as I am not capable of such voodoo computer magic. If it wasn't for them I'd still be in the Fade in DAO or dealing with the crazy ghost brat in ME3 instead of enjoying ME3HEM!!

This isn't complex.....those trolling the modder will disappear.......and then....onward! MORE MODS, I say!

[AxholeRose]

 

P.S. If anyone interested, there are people who preserved that particular mod. If only for a while: http://daitools.free...-mods-t533.html

 

Can someone with an account there please show her the link to this thread.  She needs to know the world isn't all doom and gloom and she has pLENTY of supporters.  I didn't get a chance to read the nexus comments but I'm guessing most of her haters are either on twitter or are harassing her privately, like the cowards that they are.  Show her the light.  We will NEVER be overwhelmed or oppressed by narrow minded haters.

[Errationatus]

It's definitely hypocritical and shouldn't happen, but I can see where they are coming from (before the hyperbolic rage)

 

There are way less LGBT characters in video games compared to straight ones. It's understandable given the reality of the situation, but some people heavily relate to those characters as a role model of sorts. Changing them is analogous to sacrilege in their eyes.

 

Furthermore, ACTUALLY homophobic people will download this mod and be free from a gay character, rather than interact with them as they are and understand them. This can understandably make people who are concerned with the realities of LGBT representation upset.

 

Also, sexual orientation is part of one's character. It's not a shallow phenotype like skin or hair color. It's a reflection of gay-straight conversion that still happens nowadays.  Some of these people may have been subject to such torture and would be rather vocal against such mods. 

 

So while there is definitely a hypocrisy here, I don't think it should be treated with disdain. 

 

Well, I look at it this way - and this is my personal opinion - let's get this clear from the outset - PERSONAL OPINION: 

 

Disdain and mockery is all this deserves, especially when it borders on the absurd - from both sides.  I nor anyone else defines you - YOU DO.  No one else should have a hand in it.  All our teachers point the way, they do not create you in you.  That's your job.  The labels are (I know they're not, more's the pity) and should be meaningless.  Only one matters.  Human Being.  It is the only one that ever should.  In that label is the encapsulation of every one on this planet - and there are no exceptions. 

 

You change minds by doing, by living the best life you can as an example as a whole human being, gay or whatever.  Forcing someone to change their minds changes nothing but their determination to continue right on keeping on. How does censoring anything help anyone?  Unless it affects you personally (and this is the argument for gay marriage, BTW), costs you money, time or your dignity, imperils your life or well-being, you have no more right to censure it than the 'other side'.

 

Personally I'd rather see the hate coming than having it subtly creep up on me and not noticing until it's too late and your life is suddenly legislated straight to prison - or worse, the gibbet.

 

I'm perfectly aware (d'uh, how could you not?) that gays are maligned, hated, and generally looked upon as the biggest evil since, well, whatever the bigoted cretins decided was the ultimate evil against society the last time (not child-raping priests or war-mongering politicos, noooo, just who someone might love, faaaar more vital to the issues of the day).  This is not something I would argue, the proof is in every potential and realized Matthew Shepard out there.

 

That said, I know gay folks who if you ask, "How are ya?", the first thing they say is "I'm Gay!  Gay, that's me!"  As if it should bloody matter.  I love all my gay friends, they all kick ass in one way or another, but oddly enough their Gay ...never comes up.  They never duck me for meetings of The Agenda.  It's a non-issue.  They're too busy trying to pay mortgages or figuring out what dinner theatre to mock.

 

They certainly wouldn't spasm over an individual's choice to mod a game they paid for in the privacy of their own home. 

 

See, that kinda smacks of the assclowns who blither on about legislating what anyone does in their own bedrooms - particularly them Non-Hetero Folk.  You can't stop homophobic people from being homophobic by banning homophobia, whatever form you think it takes. 

 

There's your hypocrisy.  In my opinion.

[RZIBARA]

First, I understand why some people might find a bi!Cassandra mod offensive, just like I would totally understand why people would find a bi!Dorian mod offensive. 

 

However, while people are entitled to their opinions, labeling the mod maker a rapist is both poor taste and grossly trivializes the reality of rape. (Which is the crux of the harassment and apparently the modder's stated reason for walking away).

 

Unfortunately, this is another perfect illustration of why so many see Tumblr as a cesspool of misguided, echo-chambered mouth frothing. Gaider also deleted his own Tumblr recently after an extremely toxic vocal minority irrationally decided he supported unhealthy relationships because they disapproved of Bull/Dorian relationship banter.

 

It's sad that a such a small number of toxic people can magnify their hate so intensely as to drive away the creatives that truly form the foundation of the fandom community. I hope the modder finds peace in her time away from the mob and comes back with the strength to share her works again.

 

People like the ones you describe are some of the most idiotic people on the planet. Absolutely cannot stand people like that

[katokires]

Not only are you a failure in life you're also a failure at ending it? How pathetic.

Exactly. This is possibly the best description of me I've heard, thank you. BTW I'm very serious about it all. Really. That's why I don't mind being retarded and getting offended, I have nothing to lose anyway.

[o Ventus]

Links pls.

If that's true it's crap. Nobody said anything about Morrigan, Ashley, Bastila, or Dawn Star mods.

The most anyone has said is that the mod is bad. That's literally it. Nobody (no rational people anyway, I'm sure there are crazies taking it to their usual insanity) is personally attacking the mod maker, calling them any kind of names. I like to think I'd know, since I'm one of the people criticizing the mod. 

 

If the mod maker took the mod down because some people said mean things to him/her, then that's his/her fault for taking online comments personally.

[Melca36]

Sad to hear but not surprising. Remember there was umbrage when a modder was trying to mod Traynor romance for males.

Personally i vastly preferred the DA2 approach where LI's were open to romance by everyone.

Given the success of Inquisition, they will likely never go DA2's route again

[AresKeith]

The most anyone has said is that the mod is bad. That's literally it. Nobody (no rational people anyway, I'm sure there are crazies) is personally attacking the mod maker, calling them any kind of names. I like to think I'd know, since I'm one of the people criticizing the mod. 

 

If the mod maker took the mod down because some people said mean things to him/her, then that's his/her fault for taking online comments personally.

 

It was probably happening on Tumblr not BSN

[AresKeith]

Given the success of Inquisition, they will likely never go DA2's route again

 

Bioware prefers this route themselves and not treat bisexuality as a compromise 

[Shechinah]

(to AresKeith) Or private messaging?

 

(to o Ventus) Even the most sturdiest of people can be worn down by some comments especially because the content can be so horrible it is beyond disgusting and are intentionally written to be taken personally. You might want to rephrase the last bit because it sounds a lot like victim blaming.

[Lebanese Dude]

You can't stop homophobic people from being homophobic by banning homophobia, whatever form you think it takes. 

I agree with the gist of your post.

 

I definitely agree that you don't counter internal homophobia by banning it outright, but I have to point out that nobody has banned anything.

 

Disapproval =/= Banning.

 

If people want to be homophobic or inconsiderate then that's their prerogative. Just don't expect people who react negatively to not speak out.

This will inevitably happen on the Internet, where everyone has access to what you put out and everyone will have an opinion on it.

 

If the intent wasn't to be offensive, then some people may still misconstrue it despite all the obvious cues. In that case, one should just clarify their stance and move on.

 

Obviously in situations similar to this one, the reaction is rather blown out of proportion considering the context. It's just a video game character, not a real person. 

 

Still one should understand the correlations.

[Joseph Warrick]

The most anyone has said is that the mod is bad. That's literally it. Nobody (no rational people anyway, I'm sure there are crazies taking it to their usual insanity) is personally attacking the mod maker, calling them any kind of names. I like to think I'd know, since I'm one of the people criticizing the mod. 

 

If the mod maker took the mod down because some people said mean things to him/her, then that's his/her fault for taking online comments personally.

 

So nobody is doing something except for the people doing it, but those don't count?

[o Ventus]

So nobody is doing something except for the people doing it, but those don't count?

If you misread my post, then sure, I guess.

[o Ventus]

You might want to rephrase the last bit because it sounds a lot like victim blaming.

Except I'm not blaming the mod maker for anything.

 

Unless "grow a backbone" and "nobody forced you to remove anything, you did it of your own volition" is blaming. Except it isn't, because both of those are true statements. Nobody forced the mod maker to remove the mod or their Twitter account besides the mod maker themselves.

[WildOrchid]

BSN has gotten weirder ever since Auld Wulf, Plaintiff, Qistina left 

 

Pff, Plaintiff is tame compared to most BSNers here.

 

I actually agreed with most of his posts, sadly he was too aggressive to keep up some discussion with him.