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What is this I'm hearing about people giving a modder crap for making a Cassandra female romance mod?


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MrMrPendragon

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thats what headcanon and fanfiction is for

 

as for the real game

You just have to accept that Cassandra is NOT bisexual

 

She isn't bisexual. Only in a modded game is she bisexual. You're not playing MY game, you're playing yours.

 

I could make a mod that turns Iron Bull into Macho Man Randy Savage, but that doesn't matter because it would never exist outside my game. Only the stuff available in the Keep are the things that carry on to the next game. Same goes for Cassandra being bisexual.


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I have a lot of opinions... so I've decided to summarize them all in list form:

 

Things I am fine with:
-> Mods changing a character's sexuality because the modder likes the character and wants to romance them as the gender they want to play as.
-> That not every character is automatically bi in game.
-> That sometimes a character's sexuality plays a part in their story, or influences who they are.

Things I am not okay with:
-> People insisting that x character is canonically [insert sexuality] when they're, uhm, not canonically presented as [insert sexuality]. Usually because they like their hair a certain way or because of unused audio files.
-> The aforementioned type of people who additionally claim that anyone who doesn't accept their queer head-canon is in some way homophobic/ the worst/ contributing to bi-erasure etc., etc.
-> People who take issue with another fan's desire to head-canon/ mod x character as [insert sexuality].
-> People who take issue with the inclusion/ prominence of LGBT characters.
-> ... People.
 


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#153
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Pff, Plaintiff is tame compared to most BSNers here.

 

I actually agreed with most of his posts, sadly he was too aggressive to keep up some discussion with him.

 

until he made outrageous comparisons and false accusations lol  



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thats what headcanon and fanfiction is for

 

as for the real game

You just have to accept that Cassandra is NOT bisexual

 

That's what mods are for.  :)

 

It enhances the individual's personal experience.  With DAO, I used Equal Love so that my male warden could romance Alistair and my female warden could romance Morrigan.

It harmed no one and made the game more fun for me to play. 


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She isn't bisexual. Only in a modded game is she bisexual. You're not playing MY game, you're playing yours.

 

Actually, she would still be heterosexual, because she still has dialogue like "I want a man who sweeps me off my feet".

 

Not to mention that the Inquisitor is mute with this mod, and the animations are off due to the height difference.


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#156
Melca36

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Theres also an equal opportunity Solas mod out now. 

 

Oh no! Whatever shall we do?!  <_<

 

Get real, guys. The only reason I won't use these mods is because of the Keep. I already have to kill off Alistair in all my male-romanced playthroughs. And as a gay man, I would not be offended if someone wanted to make a romance Dorian for women. Because chances are, if not for the Keep, I'd play that once or twice myself. 

 

 

If you posted this on Tumblr...they would say your are not gay, you are overcome by your oppression or you have stockholm syndrome.



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Unless "grow a backbone" and "nobody forced you to remove anything, you did it of your own volition" is blaming. Except it isn't, because both of those are true statements. Nobody forced the mod maker to remove the mod or their Twitter account besides the mod maker themselves.

 

Actually that is victim blaming.  Unless you know her personally, and know exactly what she went through, I don't think you are in any position to tell her to grow a backbone.

 

I would be more than happy to publish a mod like that and shoulder the responsibility as well as the hate that comes with it, but even I wouldn't presume to speak for her or judge her.  Because I am not her and i have no idea what she experienced.


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That's what mods are for.  :)

 

It enhances the individual's personal experience.  With DAO, I used Equal Love so that my male warden could romance Alistair and my female warden could romance Morrigan.

It harmed no one and made the game more fun for me to play. 

 

 

I agree that how people mod their game is their business.    But there are many selfish people who demand the writers change the lore to cater to their needs.  When people insist their headcanons are better than what the writers can do...that is what I have issues with.

 

Sure people have the right to mod the game the way they wish.......but the writers have the RIGHT to write the characters the way they envisioned them.


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#159
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People love getting irrationally angry over stupid things instead of actual issues.
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She isn't bisexual. Only in a modded game is she bisexual. You're not playing MY game, you're playing yours.

 

I could make a mod that turns Iron Bull into Macho Man Randy Savage, but that doesn't matter because it would never exist outside my game. Only the stuff available in the Keep are the things that carry on to the next game. Same goes for Cassandra being bisexual.

 

 

You weren't around when people complained about NOT be allowed to have their modded playthroughs incorporated in the Keep


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Actually, she would still be heterosexual, because she still has dialogue like "I want a man who sweeps me off my feet".

 

Not to mention that the Inquisitor is mute with this mod, and the animations are off due to the height difference.

 

Well yeah, that's her original programming. But my point is you can modify ("mod") the programming to allow romance for female Inquisitors.



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Actually that is victim blaming.

 

It's actually not. If I were victim blaming, I would have said that she called the response on herself through her own actions. "She was asking for it", in layman's terms.

 

Unless you know her personally, and know exactly what she went through, I don't think you are in any position to tell her to grow a backbone.

 

Literally everyone who's on the Internet for any given length of time will receive nasty messages. She's got them, I've got them, I'm sure you've got them at one point. It's practically a given that people with anonymity will act like a**holes. One should see this coming. Making a big deal about mean comments (to the point of completely removing yourself and your mod from the internet) is a childish way to resolve the issue.


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I actually don't support mods like this. If you want to romance a straight or gay character, choose the appropriate sex. Having said that though, I see no reason to attack the modder. If you don't like the mod, don't download it. There are a ton of, in my opinion, horrible mods out there that should not exist, yet they do. People should let it go; there are a lot more important things to get upset about.



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And that right there is my biggest issue with those types of mods outside of my personally opinion towards it 

 

 

As someone who has Tumblr....99% of what I see on my dash is  basically stuff like "ALL STRAIGHT PEOPLE NEED TO ROT AND DIE"

 

 

The Cassandra Bi Mod would be EMBRACED on Tumblr.

 

Perhaps she got trashed her and on other social media sites and thats horrible as it is but I doubt Tumblr would do that.   Straight people are HATED on Tumblr.  

 

It sucks that she removed the mod and I do agree there are some rotten people.

 

 

I know one of the biggest modders for Origins who made alot of the mods people still use. She got hate for alot of the stuff she did but she kept her mods up despite what happened.

 

Modding is serious and you really have to have a thick skin for anything you create


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They better not get the Bethany romance mod taken down or there will be hell to pay.



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It's actually not. If I were victim blaming, I would have said that she called the response on herself through her own actions. "She was asking for it", in layman's terms.

 

 

 

 

Literally everyone who's on the Internet for any given length of time will receive nasty messages. She's got them, I've got them, I'm sure you've got them at one point. It's practically a given that people with anonymity will act like a**holes. One should see this coming. Making a big deal about mean comments (to the point of completely removing yourself and your mod from the internet) is a childish way to resolve the issue.

 

 

I've received hate message. It happens. You rise above it. As I said in a previous post...I know an Origins modder. She got hate for some of her work but she ignored it and ended up with alot of supporters



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 - I agree with the gist of your post.

 

Thanks.

 

 - I definitely agree that you don't counter internal homophobia by banning it outright, but I have to point out that nobody has banned anything.

 

Agreed.  I don't think I inferred that they did.  I meant it in a more general sense - and from one perspective, harassing someone until they retract whatever can be looked on as a kind of banning.  It was just done a different way, but the intent was pretty much the same.

 

 - Disapproval =/= Banning.

 

See above.

 

 - If people want to be homophobic or inconsiderate then that's their prerogative. Just don't expect people who react negatively to not speak out.

 

Of course they will.  Just as others will counter them, agree or be indifferent.

 

 - This will inevitably happen on the Internet, where everyone has access to what you put out and everyone will have an opinion on it.

 

I think everything will inevitably happen on the Internet.

 

 - If the intent wasn't to be offensive, then some people may still misconstrue it despite all the obvious cues. In that case, one should just clarify their stance and move on.

 

True enough.  The responsibility of any intelligent person.  Granted, every discussion ever is laden with hidden landmines.  Most of the time, you can get lucky.  Sometimes you set off your own.

 

 - Obviously in situations similar to this one, the reaction is rather blown out of proportion considering the context. It's just a video game character, not a real person. 

 

Of course, but it does affect real people.  Granted, 'affect' is a matter of perspective.

 

 - Still one should understand the correlations.

 

Indeed.  Again, though, perspective.  I don't pretend to have the full perspective a gay person has on any particular situation.  I can speculate, I can infer, but I can't see it with the clarity they would, nor would I pretend to - but I have my own bias, as I stated above - human beings tend to react the same way, no matter how many labels they slather on themselves, and pain feels the same way to all of us. That, I understand. Being "gay" or "straight" or purple-striped or ass-plated-in-gold should be meaningless and to me, it is.  My response tends to be along the lines of: 

 

"So, you're  ___?"

"Yes." 

"Are you an arsehole?" 

"No." 

"Okay, then.  Carry on."

 

Mongering or wallowing in it, however, solves exactly nothing.  I would hope we would all spend our time more profitably.


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As someone who has Tumblr....99% of what I see on my dash is  basically stuff like "ALL STRAIGHT PEOPLE NEED TO ROT AND DIE"

 

 

The Cassandra Bi Mod would be EMBRACED on Tumblr.

 

Perhaps she got trashed her and on other social media sites and thats horrible as it is but I doubt Tumblr would do that.   Straight people are HATED on Tumblr.  

 

It sucks that she removed the mod and I do agree there are some rotten people.

 

 

I know one of the biggest modders for Origins who made alot of the mods people still use. She got hate for alot of the stuff she did but she kept her mods up despite what happened.

 

Modding is serious and you really have to have a thick skin for anything you create

 

I actually saw on Tumblr last night where someone literally posted it's fine to mod Cassandra but it's wrong to mod Dorian and Sera


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I agree that how people mod their game is their business.    But there are many selfish people who demand the writers change the lore to cater to their needs.  When people insist their headcanons are better than what the writers can do...that is what I have issues with.

 

Sure people have the right to mod the game the way they wish.......but the writers have the RIGHT to write the characters the way they envisioned them.

 

I agree with that.  I often dream that the writers would do x or do y or include z, but it isn't something I expect or demand. 

I had people do that to me with my fanfic, oh... I'd really like that, but I don't like that you write X, if you wrote y, I'd read it!  The thing is, people love and write the things they care about. And I encourage that because it gives a deeper feeling when you share that experience with them, whether it be fanfiction, novels, movies or video games.

 

That being said, I do vote with my money and try with my purchases to make known the things I like. There are games I don't buy because they either don't appeal to me or something in them freaks me out on a personal level, but I don't go to their fansites and start downing them.

I just don't buy them.  :)

I buy BioWare games because they include gay and bi characters and at one point in time even encouraged the modding community.  :)

 


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Modding is serious and you really have to have a thick skin for anything you create

I would expand this to anything that is created, not just mods. Especially in this day and age.



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It's actually not. If I were victim blaming, I would have said that she called the response on herself through her own actions. "She was asking for it", in layman's terms.

 

 

 

 

Literally everyone who's on the Internet for any given length of time will receive nasty messages. She's got them, I've got them, I'm sure you've got them at one point. It's practically a given that people with anonymity will act like a**holes. One should see this coming. Making a big deal about mean comments (to the point of completely removing yourself and your mod from the internet) is a childish way to resolve the issue.

 

I don't know if her actions were childish or not.  I read her post and sympathized with her reasons.  For many people, there is that one point, that one unforgivable thing that is so beyond hurtful it is just best to walk away.


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Perhaps she got trashed her and on other social media sites and thats horrible as it is but I doubt Tumblr would do that.  

 

It didn't happen on BSN. The discussion that she responded to on BSN was pretty civil (at least at the time she posted, I haven't kept up with it since then.) They were criticizing the mod.



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Meh,Tumblr's just good for fanart & gifs, i avoid it otherwise
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Meh,Tumblr's just good for fanart & gifs, i avoid it otherwise

 

that's the sad part, I was looking at fanart when it happened :(



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I actually saw on Tumblr last night where someone literally posted it's fine to mod Cassandra but it's wrong to mod Dorian and Sera

Yes...Tumblr who is full of Blind Hypocrisy.

 

I will personally call anyone out who creates a Dorian or Sera Mod.  Like I said...changing a character's sexuality is wrong no matter if they are gay or straight.  

 

If people want to use the mods in their game thats fine but a great many people will DEMAND the writers change the game. That is when its taken too far.