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[o Ventus]

I don't know if her actions were childish or not.  I read her post and sympathized with her reasons.  For many people, there is that one point, that one unforgivable thing that is so beyond hurtful it is just best to walk away.

 

Literally everything the mean comments said would be unsubstantiated and emotionally charged, not actually related to the modder as a human being and is being spewed by unintelligent troglodytes. They don't know her or anything about her.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

that's the sad part, I was looking at fanart when it happened

I once looked on 4chan when i saw something mentioning DA:I, i really regretted that decision

[dreamgazer]

I actually saw on Tumblr last night where someone literally posted it's fine to mod Cassandra but it's wrong to mod Dorian and Sera

 

[AresKeith]

I once looked on 4chan when i saw something mentioning DA:I, i really regretted that decision

 

Your first mistake was looking at 4chan 

[Lebanese Dude]

 

 

 

"So, you're  ___?"

"Yes." 

"Are you an arsehole?" 

"No." 

"Okay, then.  Carry on."

 

 

Glorious

[Melca36]

I agree with that.  I often dream that the writers would do x or do y or include z, but it isn't something I expect or demand. 

I had people do that to me with my fanfic, oh... I'd really like that, but I don't like that you write X, if you wrote y, I'd read it!  The thing is, people love and write the things they care about. And I encourage that because it gives a deeper feeling when you share that experience with them, whether it be fanfiction, novels, movies or video games.

 

That being said, I do vote with my money and try with my purchases to make known the things I like. There are games I don't buy because they either don't appeal to me or something in them freaks me out on a personal level, but I don't go to their fansites and start downing them.

I just don't buy them. 

I buy BioWare games because they include gay and bi characters and at one point in time even encouraged the modding community. 

 

 

 

I feel the same. I have no issues romancing characters of either genders. I've done f/m, m/m. and f/f.  

 

I will always purchase BioWare games because of the variety they offer.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Your first mistake was looking at 4chan 

Yes, i haven't made that mistake since thankfully

[Alan Rickman]

I once looked on 4chan when i saw something mentioning DA:I, i really regretted that decision

 

You should've known better.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Your first mistake was looking at 4chan 

 

 

[Aimi]

I actually don't support mods like this. If you want to romance a straight or gay character, choose the appropriate sex. Having said that though, I see no reason to attack the modder. If you don't like the mod, don't download it. There are a ton of, in my opinion, horrible mods out there that should not exist, yet they do. People should let it go; there are a lot more important things to get upset about.

This is basically my viewpoint.

I, like many other lesbian fans of the series, was extremely interested in making characters that could romance Cassandra and experience that arc. Look at the early pages of the Cass fan thread on this forum - before she was announced as straight - and you'll see just how many of us there were. Not being able to play through that arc as a lady Inquisitor sapped a lot of my interest in the game; getting an outright rejection scene from Cass in the game (as opposed to, say, not getting to flirt at all) was...it was sad. I was sad.

But I wasn't interested in a mod to change that. I respected the fictional character's sexuality and worried about the morality of installing a mod. I've never used any of the romance mods for any previous games. I once wrote a fanfic about a character in a different BioWare game - a game that had no queer romance for anybody at the time, so it's not like I had alternative representation - being gay, but I couldn't manage to finish it because, among other things, I worried about something exactly like this.

That isn't to say I care about authorial intent. I mostly don't; many authors write objectively stupid things in their stories, including BioWare's, and I feel no particular need to respect the writing skills of somebody who gets basic facts wrong. Nor do I think that it is a particularly good thing to get all pissy about mods or fanfic in the first place; they're personal creations, and even if I don't feel comfortable myself doing something I see no need to shame others for doing something different.

Normally, increasing queer representation would be a big deal for me. But this game already has queer representation. I might quibble with many of the specifics of how it was implemented, and the specific characters involved might not be the way I'd wanted them to be, but they exist, and they're good characters. I also know that if I wanted to see Cassandra's romance, I could just play it out with a male character. But I'm not interested in roleplaying that kind of character, just like how I'm not interested in roleplaying a character that is all super into blood magic, or how I'm not interested in roleplaying a character that really loves the Qun. Playing as a male character doesn't interest me; I've done it before, in previous BioWare games, but that's basically only to experience romance arcs with straight women, and I decided that it wasn't worth a personal inability to connect with the character. And, y'know, that was that.

I was sad about Cass being straight, but I was going to deal with it; other people would deal with it in different ways, and I was okay with that, too.

But, y'know, I suspect that a big chunk of the harassment directed at Natalie isn't about "straight erasure" or "respecting creator's intent". A lot of the people who've come into this thread to say that they disapprove of what she did are Cass thread regulars. And they seem particularly intolerant to anything queer women do. I once went into the Cass thread to say that Cass being straight made me sad, and that BioWare had a history of writing women I wanted to romance as straight romances. It wasn't a call for action or change; I didn't say "mod this!" or "Biower u suk!" All I said was that I was sad about it. But my post came in for a wave of opprobrium from many of those male Cass thread regulars all the same. It's not merely that they disapprove of other people having the temerity to mod Cass to be bi in their own games. It sometimes seems more that they can't stand the thought of anybody but themselves even being interested in the character, or having feelings about her.

[AresKeith]

 

Well there's the RPG codex

 

But that's more smug and elitism 

[BobZilla84]

I think most of these A** Hat Haters are just pissed off straight guys mad about their LI options and this is coming from a straight guy. I still think if there was another BI option say Vivienne,Harding or Dagna there might not be so much of this BS about a Mod that in no way will magically make Cassandra BI in everyones games so take a chill pill let these awesomely talented modders mod their own games to enjoy it as much as possible.

You know I still think DA2 was the B****** Child of the Dragon Age Franchise but I whole heartedly supported the everyone is BI design that way everyone got to romance whoever they wanted you know I loved Traynor in ME3 and I was crushed when I found out she was not a BI option but I digress.

[Melca36]

I think most of these A** Hat Haters are just pissed off straight guys mad about their LI options and this is coming from a straight guy. I still think if there was another BI option say Vivienne,Harding or Dagna there might not be so much of this BS about a Mod that in no way will magically make Cassandra BI in everyones games so take a chill pill let these awesomely talented modders mod their own games to enjoy it as much as possible.

You know I still think DA2 was the B****** Child of the Dragon Age Franchise but I whole heartedly supported the everyone is BI design that way everyone got to romance whoever they wanted you know I loved Traynor in ME3 and I was crushed when I found out she was not a BI option but I digress.

 

 

So you want to erase homosexuality as well as heterosexuality by making everyone BI? 

 

The writers have the right to create the characters how they envision them.  They can't cater to everyone.

[Bizantura]

What are lesbians stuck with?  Sera a psychopath I don't want in my gamepay at all.  The next is a disney romance for 10 year old teens.  No wander I am looking at Cassandra for a more fulfilling adult experience.

 

I don't mind playing as a male to get to that but others do and then a mod is handy.

[o Ventus]

But, y'know, I suspect that a big chunk of the harassment directed at Natalie isn't about "straight erasure" or "respecting creator's intent". A lot of the people who've come into this thread to say that they disapprove of what she did are Cass thread regulars. And they seem particularly intolerant to anything queer women do. I once went into the Cass thread to say that Cass being straight made me sad, and that BioWare had a history of writing women I wanted to romance as straight romances. It wasn't a call for action or change; I didn't say "mod this!" or "Biower u suk!" All I said was that I was sad about it. But my post came in for a wave of opprobrium from many of those male Cass thread regulars all the same. It's not merely that they disapprove of other people having the temerity to mod Cass to be bi in their own games. It sometimes seems more that they can't stand the thought of anybody but themselves even being interested in the character, or having feelings about her.

 

This is not only wrong, but it's hilariously wrong.

 

 

[TheJediSaint]

Spoiler

This is basically my viewpoint.

I, like many other lesbian fans of the series, was extremely interested in making characters that could romance Cassandra and experience that arc. Look at the early pages of the Cass fan thread on this forum - before she was announced as straight - and you'll see just how many of us there were. Not being able to play through that arc as a lady Inquisitor sapped a lot of my interest in the game; getting an outright rejection scene from Cass in the game (as opposed to, say, not getting to flirt at all) was...it was sad. I was sad.

But I wasn't interested in a mod to change that. I respected the fictional character's sexuality and worried about the morality of installing a mod. I've never used any of the romance mods for any previous games. I once wrote a fanfic about a character in a different BioWare game - a game that had no queer romance for anybody at the time, so it's not like I had alternative representation - being gay, but I couldn't manage to finish it because, among other things, I worried about something exactly like this.

That isn't to say I care about authorial intent. I mostly don't; many authors write objectively stupid things in their stories, including BioWare's, and I feel no particular need to respect the writing skills of somebody who gets basic facts wrong. Nor do I think that it is a particularly good thing to get all pissy about mods or fanfic in the first place; they're personal creations, and even if I don't feel comfortable myself doing something I see no need to shame others for doing something different.

Normally, increasing queer representation would be a big deal for me. But this game already has queer representation. I might quibble with many of the specifics of how it was implemented, and the specific characters involved might not be the way I'd wanted them to be, but they exist, and they're good characters. I also know that if I wanted to see Cassandra's romance, I could just play it out with a male character. But I'm not interested in roleplaying that kind of character, just like how I'm not interested in roleplaying a character that is all super into blood magic, or how I'm not interested in roleplaying a character that really loves the Qun. Playing as a male character doesn't interest me; I've done it before, in previous BioWare games, but that's basically only to experience romance arcs with straight women, and I decided that it wasn't worth a personal inability to connect with the character. And, y'know, that was that.

I was sad about Cass being straight, but I was going to deal with it; other people would deal with it in different ways, and I was okay with that, too.

But, y'know, I suspect that a big chunk of the harassment directed at Natalie isn't about "straight erasure" or "respecting creator's intent". A lot of the people who've come into this thread to say that they disapprove of what she did are Cass thread regulars. And they seem particularly intolerant to anything queer women do. I once went into the Cass thread to say that Cass being straight made me sad, and that BioWare had a history of writing women I wanted to romance as straight romances. It wasn't a call for action or change; I didn't say "mod this!" or "Biower u suk!" All I said was that I was sad about it. But my post came in for a wave of opprobrium from many of those male Cass thread regulars all the same. It's not merely that they disapprove of other people having the temerity to mod Cass to be bi in their own games. It sometimes seems more that they can't stand the thought of anybody but themselves even being interested in the character, or having feelings about her.

I was there when Cassandra was revealed as straight, and yeah, there were straight guys who decided to be jerks about it.  I'm sorry about that, for what it's worth.

 

As for the mod, I'm going to remain critical of modding Cassandra's or ANY character's sexuality.  I'm not a fan of it, to say the least.

[ComedicSociopathy]

What you do in your own game is your own business. Cassandra's still straight in canon and that's not gonna change if some random person across the globe decides to mod their game. 

 

So. Who. Fricking. Cares. 

[Cantina]

I am very happy to see Bioware do away with “Everyone is BI” bullshit. I like the fact that each character in the game has a preference as to who they are attracted to and who they are not-much like real life. Not to mention it reflects that character’s personality.

 

Would it make me angry to see Dorian kiss a female? Cullen kiss a male? Absolutely. Because I know it is completely out of their character to do so. However if someone wishes to delude themselves into thinking other then what they truly are, then by all means do so. I know the truth and that will bring me comfort.

 

Am I happy about these MODs? No. I find them completely disrespectful of the character and the direction Bioware chose to go.

 

But and I say BUT…..if someone wishes to create this MOD and someone wants to use it by all means, do so. That is your choice.

 

I however will not chastise those who chose use these MODs and those who create them. I know where I stand on the matter, I will not break out the torches and pitch-forks and “force” those who chose to use it not to use it or the person who created it to undo their creation.

[TheLastArchivist]

People love getting irrationally angry over stupid things instead of actual issues.

 

So true, my friend. Because people like these barely keep up with issues that matter - most are even incapable of understanding even the basics about them- and also because they know there will be no consequences for them overreacting to a simple online discussion.

 

If only the internet didn't allow for unlimited anonymity...even the Constitution states people must be held accountable for their actions, and that anonimity is vetoed.

 

I actually saw on Tumblr last night where someone literally posted it's fine to mod Cassandra but it's wrong to mod Dorian and Sera

 

That's when we see how incoherent some people can be. 

[o Ventus]

 

So. Who. Fricking. Cares. 

 

The people who hate the mod, and the people getting offended at people who dislike the mod. I'd say both of them care a great deal.

[TheLastArchivist]

I am very happy to see Bioware do away with “Everyone is BI” bullshit. I like the fact that each character in the game has a preference as to who they are attracted to and who they are not-much like real life. Not to mention it reflects that character’s personality.

 

Would it make me angry to see Dorian kiss a female? Cullen kiss a male? Absolutely. Because I know it is completely out of their character to do so. However if someone wishes to delude themselves into thinking other then what they truly are, then by all means do so. I know the truth and that will bring me comfort.

 

Am I happy about these MODs? No. I find them completely disrespectful of the character and the direction Bioware chose to go.

 

But and I say BUT…..if someone wishes to create this MOD and someone wants to use it by all means, do so. That is your choice.

 

I however will not chastise those who chose use these MODs and those who create them. I know where I stand on the matter, I will not break out the torches and pitch-forks and “force” those who chose to use it not to use it or the person who created it to undo their creation.

 

Best summary of how people in the fandom should treat each other concerning mods and other subjects that involve personal preferences. 

[AresKeith]

What are lesbians stuck with?  Sera a psychopath I don't want in my gamepay at all.  The next is a disney romance for 10 year old teens.  No wander I am looking at Cassandra for a more fulfilling adult experience.

 

I don't mind playing as a male to get to that but others do and then a mod is handy.

 

Which some likes while some don't 

[coldflame]

Now wouldn't the world be a much nicer place if we all minded our own ****** business?

 

/end rant

 

Actually, will have to disagree with you on this one. Just imagine if your arse was on fire and people passing by were just minding their own business instead of calling for the Fire Department. Also imagine this what would happen to the world if no one cares about the less fortunate because everyone was minding their own ****** business?

[Sylvianus]

I was there when Cassandra was revealed as straight, and yeah, there were straight guys who decided to be jerks about it.  I'm sorry about that, for what it's worth.

 

 

I remember only one jerk doing multiple posts when it happened, and he decided to be a jerk because according to him, it was his revenge, the lgbt folks, were apparently mean to him when he was so disappointed about Sera revealed as gay. His posts were quickly removed by Allan and the thread didn't have any issue after from what I recall. 

 

I also remember when a while after, some lesbians came to tell to Allan in this same thread that they were furious with Bioware's decision about Cassandra, and everyone seemed to feel compassion for what they felt. 

[wright1978]

I was there when Cassandra was revealed as straight, and yeah, there were straight guys who decided to be jerks about it.  I'm sorry about that, for what it's worth.
 
As for the mod, I'm going to remain critical of modding Cassandra's or ANY character's sexuality.  I'm not a fan of it, to say the least.

Remember when Sera was announced as lesbian there were equally people being jerks to those that were disappointed. That's just human nature.