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[Ryriena]

Is obvious that not all mages were brainwashed, that female mage in the tavern is a good example of that with her extremely pro Tevinter & blood magic views

She maybe be one of the Ventori agents that they talk about being at Redcliff.

[Lumix19]

Experiments aren't necessary, proof however, is

"Usually, the burden of proof rests on the side that makes a positive claim - an assertion that something exists or is the case, rather than that something does not exist or is not the case. So in general, if a person (the claimant makes an unsupported positive claim, he or she must provide evidence for it if the claim is to be accepted. If you doubt the claim, you are under no obligation to prove it wrong. You need not - and should not - accept it without good reasons (which the claimant should provide)."

This obviously describes those of us in the "mages were brainwashed" camp since the burden of proof is on us.

However:

"Of course, you also should not reject the claim without good reasons." Considering who the Venatori was serving, I would like to hear these good reasons.

[Ashagar]

She maybe be one of the Ventori agents that they talk about being at Redcliff.

 

She was certainly a circle mage if I remember correctly, she remembered the human mage as being the first enchanter's favorite so she was apparently one of the mages that ran off instead of staying like the rest of the circle. Given her attitude I wouldn't have been surprised if she was the one who murdered Otswick's first enchanter for refusing to take part in the rebellion.

[Lumix19]

She was certainly a circle mage if I remember correctly, she remembered the human mage as being the first enchanter's favorite so she was apparently one of the mages that ran off instead of staying like the rest of the circle. Given her attitude I wouldn't have been surprised if she was the one who murdered Otswick's first enchanter for refusing to take part in the rebellion.

Do you mean Linnea? Because she never said that to me (and I have a human mage Warden). She just said she was from the Circle but wouldn't say which one because she was done with it.

[ThreeF]

There is also Harris (Harrit???? forgot his name). He is anti-Tevinter and if I remember correctly pro-Circle yet in the alternative timeline he has no problem torturing and killing the Cleric, you actually fight him. Could be case of "if you can't beat them, join them" of course. 

[Ryriena]

Do you mean Linnea? Because she never said that to me (and I have a human mage Warden). She just said she was from the Circle but wouldn't say which one because she was done with it.

Yeah I am confused as too that too, because she does recognize the human mage inquisitor, but does not talk about her views even when pressed. Ect

[ThreeF]

Do you mean Linnea? Because she never said that to me (and I have a human mage Warden). She just said she was from the Circle but wouldn't say which one because she was done with it.

It is implied that you are from same Circle because she knows you too well and hates you for being teacher's pet.

[Ryriena]

There is also Harris (Harrit???? forgot his name). He is anti-Tevinter and if I remember correctly pro-Circle yet in the alternative timeline he has no problem torturing and killing the Cleric, you actually fight him. Could be case of "if you can't beat them, join them" of course.

Yeah I am not entirely sure about this myself since I never saw Harris being the one that tortured that cleric.

[Lumix19]

It is implied that you are from same Circle because she knows you too well and hates you for being teacher's pet.

Sorry I got confused. I thought you meant she remembered a Human Mage Warden from Origins. I'm playing a Qunari right now but I do recall her saying something to that effect when I played my human Mage. So probably not a Tevinter infiltrator.

[Ryriena]

It is implied that you are from same Circle because she knows you too well and hates you for being teacher's pet.

Which to me did not fit my character, since she was never a teachers pet plus was the one to kill the enchanter to get Ostwick in the war. So I was a bit mifit with Bioware for impiled personality.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

There is also Harris (Harrit???? forgot his name). He is anti-Tevinter and if I remember correctly pro-Circle yet in the alternative timeline he has no problem torturing and killing the Cleric, you actually fight him. Could be case of "if you can't beat them, join them" of course.

Wha about Connor? Wha would happen to him? I heard something bad happens to him in the bad future? Possible proof?

[Steelcan]

"Of course, you also should not reject the claim without good reasons." Considering who the Venatori was serving, I would like to hear these good reasons.

Corypheus cannot mind control non-wardens

[Ryriena]

Wha about Connor? Wha would happen to him? I heard something bad happens to him in the bad future? Possible proof?

He turns into a demon again.

[Ashagar]

There's a event that's easy to miss if you have the camera looking in the wrong direction where he throws himself into a great fireplace to burn to death rather than get possessed again.

[Steelcan]

Wha about Connor? Wha would happen to him? I heard something bad happens to him in the bad future? Possible proof?

he kills himself rather than be possessed by a demon

[ThreeF]

Yeah I am not entirely sure about this myself since I never saw Harris being the one that tortured that cleric.

In the alternative time line you meet all the mages you can interact with in Redclliffe. He is the mini boss you fight in the room with the dead Cleric, the other two are mooks and while he looks differently in his Venatori clothes, he is also the only mini boss that has a name so it's not a coincidence that he has that particular name.

 

 

Wha about Connor? Wha would happen to him? I heard something bad happens to him in the bad future? Possible proof?

He burns himself alive screaming  "i'm  not  a child anymore!" presumably to the demon that tries to tempt him. You need to be very fast to see and hear it, though since the scene's trigger is firing too soon.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Urthemiel apparently has news of that note. 

 

 

I think I recall something about a note on tumblr a few weeks ago but I didn't really pay attention before this. Will try and post what I can remember from that note. Here is what I can remember:

" To all Red Templars,

I don't think I need to inform you about why we can't fail here. Our master may favor the Venatori for binding the minds of the rebel mages but we are still a force to be reckoned with despite our failure at Therinfal.

Remember, guard those smug bastards as well as you can and watch for Inquisition forces. Perhaps harming the Inquisition will be enough to regain our master's favor.

Knight-Captain Hadily"


That's as far as I can remember. Will try and look for it again.

 

[Lumix19]

Corypheus cannot mind control non-wardens

Templars are non-wardens.

Urthemiel apparently has news of that note.

Sounds like the counterpart to the Venatori note in the Hissing Wastes about their failure at Redcliffe and the Southern Templars being smug or something.

[AresKeith]

Templars are non-wardens.

 

But Red Lyrium has connection to the Blight

[Barquiel]

Corypheus cannot mind control non-wardens

I'm pretty sure Corypheus can mind control others. We know that blood magic can give the user the ability of mind control/brainwashing (even before DA:I)...and I suppose Cory is a very powerful bloodmage.

[thesuperdarkone2]

In the alternative time line you meet all the mages you can interact with in Redclliffe. He is the mini boss you fight in the room with the dead Cleric, the other two are mooks and while he looks differently in his Venatori clothes, he is also the only mini boss that has a name so it's not a coincidence that he has that particular name.

 

Don't forget that elven mage who is apparently mentally broken? Perhaps a failed test of the brainwashing? After all, know the Venatori performed some type of ritual on the rebel mages if you sided with the templars.

[Lumix19]

But Red Lyrium has connection to the Blight

That's true but I have to agree with above. Considering that blood magic can apparently warp people's personalities quite a bit I can see how it might have caused the rebels to become Venatori.

[AresKeith]

That's true but I have to agree with above. Considering that blood magic can apparently warp people's personalities quite a bit I can see how it might have caused the rebels to become Venatori.

 

Atleast the one who didn't willing join them

[Lumix19]

Atleast the one who didn't willing join them

Of course.

[ThreeF]

Don't forget that elven mage who is apparently mentally broken? Perhaps a failed test of the brainwashing? After all, know the Venatori performed some type of ritual on the rebel mages if you sided with the templars.

Could be . At any rate I think that the Knight-Captain's note is conclusive enough.