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[ShadowLordXII]

To those who've read the comic, the story features King Alistair encountering another witch named Yavanna whose Morrigan's sister and killing her. Later, he tries to rescue his father Maric from a tevinter magister, but ends up being forced to mercy-kill him instead.

 

As noted before, the comic's story is based on Bioware's canon where the Warden dies and Alistair becomes King, yada, yada, so on and so forth. Not to mention having a Mage Hawke who didn't sell Isabella down river to the qunari.

 

What change about this story in different canon paths?

 

Would Alistair be able to save his father with the help of the Warden? Would the Warden's help be irrelevant if Isabella was missing due to Hawke's actions?

 

Would Drunk/Warden Alistair still pursue this quest?

 

Would Warden Alistair be more willing to let Yavana live since he's more worldly and hardened?

 

How about Alistair's dealings with the DA2 Arishok if he didn't die or if Sten died?

 

What if Alistair was executed or made the Ultimate Sacrifice? Does that mean that the whole quest-line never happened? Would someone else take up the quest? (I can see Warden Loghain doing so since they're bff's and all)

 

Would having Alistair hardened or unhardened make any difference here?

 

What exactly would happen if Maric was able to be rescued and returned to Ferelden healthy and in one piece? Would the current leader (Alistair or Anora) just abdicate and let Maric have his rightful seat back since he's not dead? Would anyone believe that it was actually Maric or assume him to be an imposter? Would Maric even want to be king again? Would Maric more likely use the "I'm dead" card to start from scratch and make a new life for himself as a traveling swordsman or mercenary? (This one's doubtful as Maric is pushing 60 by now if I recall correctly)

[TheKomandorShepard]

To be honest i wouldn't be concerned about what if in EU when even "what if" scenarios from games tend end in same way or with minimal difference for example dagna that becomes enchanter no matter what you do or chantry finds temple and culstist are killed no matter what you do.

 

Im not sure but probably it goes to the point that Evangeline is alive even if you killed Wynne in dao. Maybe someone who went with mage route and have wynne killed in dao can confirm.

[Herr Uhl]

There isn't really anything in that storyline that changes much about the world. If Alistair is dead or drunk or whatever I'd assume that Maric died from something else and Yavanna is off in some forest not being part of the storyline.

[ShadowLordXII]

To be honest i wouldn't be concerned about what if in EU when even "what if" scenarios from games tend end in same way or with minimal difference for example dagna that becomes enchanter no matter what you do or chantry finds temple and culstist are killed no matter what you do.

 

Im not sure but probably it goes to the point that Evangeline is alive even if you killed Wynne in dao. Maybe someone who went with mage route and have wynne killed in dao can confirm.

 

Fair enough

 

I was just curious about this particular tale

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well Warden Alistair mentions the events of the comics and Drunk Alistair's codex says he rejoined the Wardens so the events of the comic happened regardless if Alistair is alive.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fair enough

 

I was just curious about this particular tale

It is fine just saying it pretty much went the same way no matter what .

 

For example to answer your scenario with arishok he isn't arishok anymore no matter what you do if he is alive qunari kick him out of his postion after he returns.

 

Sten can't die in dao well technically he can if left in lothering he pretty much should be dead killed by darkspawn but considering bs bioware can put to bring character back for example Anders that is grey warden even if you gave him templars that wanted hang him and by that he should be dead or at least shouldn't be grey warden and he is possessed by justice despite that they may have never meet and justice could be killed either protecting keep or by warden commander.

 

And as user above eplained same goes even if alistair was drunk.

 

About hardened or not prob don't matter we don't have it even in keep and alistair is the same in every scenario (only king and warden choice matter) same for leliana. 

[ShadowLordXII]

It is fine just saying it pretty much went the same way no matter what .

 

For example to answer your scenario with arishok he isn't arishok anymore no matter what you do if he is alive qunari kick him out of his postion after he returns.

 

Sten can't die in dao well technically he can if left in lothering he pretty much should be dead killed by darkspawn but considering bs bioware can put to bring character back for example Anders that is grey warden even if you gave him templars that wanted hang him and by that he should be dead or at least shouldn't be grey warden and he is possessed by justice despite that they may have never meet and justice could be killed either protecting keep or by warden commander.

 

And as user above eplained same goes even if alistair was drunk.

 

About hardened or not prob don't matter we don't have it even in keep and alistair is the same in every scenario (only king and warden choice matter) same for leliana. 

 

So much for maintaining the "illusion of choice".

 

I get that it's an illusion, but do the games have to be so blunt and contrived about how our choices don't matter? After giving us an option and giving us the idea that they would matter?

 

Fine. Headcanon it is. I'd call it just as viable as Bioware's canon anyway considering their methods.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So much for maintaining the "illusion of choice".

 

I get that it's an illusion, but do the games have to be so blunt and contrived about how our choices don't matter? After giving us an option and giving us the idea that they would matter?

 

Fine. Headcanon it is. I'd call it just as viable as Bioware's canon anyway considering their methods.

 

Dragon age was alwyas horrible in whole import thing and didn't even bother to hide that choices from previous games don't matter.  

 

In my opinion Me did better job in that matter as at least they didn't bring back characters to life and choices (at least some) had consequences.Yeah sometimes characters were replaced in me for example ME 1 rachni queen and cerberus rachni queen but at it still had consequences depending on with what queen you deal with. 

[ShadowLordXII]

Dragon age was alwyas horrible in whole import thing and didn't even bother to hide that choices from previous games don't matter.  

 

In my opinion Me did better job in that matter as at least they didn't bring back characters to life and choices (at least some) had consequences.Yeah sometimes characters were replaced in me for example ME 1 rachni queen and cerberus rachni queen but at it still had consequences depending on with what queen you deal with. 

 

True there.

[rda]

Yeah in some ways makes you want to say why bother with caring which choice you make, it'll turn out the same anyway.

[xBloodWardenx]

I would like to think that if someone would have saved Maric earlier he would have been able to whip Loghain into shape. 

"Leave my son at Ostagar? I don't think so. Pull some plan out of your ass like you always do. I swear to the maker I will summon the spirit of Rowan if you do not.." 

[Ashagar]

I just pictured Marc returning as Loghain was making his grand announcement to the landsmeet. I don't think if anything else that howe would survive or at the very least he'd let the Cousland Warden have at him.

[Joe25]

The fate of Maric.

Spoiler

[Andromelek]

Sten ends as the new Arishok, no matter what, if the Kirkwall's Arishok is alive the others judge him and releves him, in a later conversation between Varric and Iron Bull, they mentioned a "hornless" Arishok.
About Maric, Well he was Aurelian Titus' prisioner, he would die soon or later, as for Yavana, Who knows? Maybe she still alive, maybe she and Aurelian killed each other, or perhaps she tried to use Corypheus' power in a desperate effort to awaken the remaining dragons in the grove, and screwed it like Solas.

[Sifr]

I think it's one of those things that happens anyway, just in a slightly different way?

 

In Asunder, with Wynne dead, the Divine chose someone else to look into a cure for Tranquility and track down Pharamond. Rhys was still recruited, due to his skills as a Spirit Medium, Evangeline was the Templar escort and Cole tagged along for the ride, so the story continued on as it did before. Shale however wasn't involved at all, which doesn't change much, because the only two things she does are break down a barricade at Adamant, as well as spread the word about the Cure via the sending stones, which in this timeline they probably did themselves instead of heading straight to Val Royeaux. Presumably Evangeline survived in this universe without Wynne's sacrifice, because she was luckier and never got mortally wounded in her fight with Lambert in the sewers.

 

In the Silent Grove, it's a tad trickier as with Alistair dead if he fought the Archdemon, he's obviously not around anymore. Obviously in this continuity, this means he never was there to recruit Varric and Isabela, so the Qunari plotline never happened. Likewise, without him Yavana had to attempt to retrieve Maric to fulfill her plans to revive the Dragons, only to die in the attempt and take Aurelian along with her, while Maric perished from wasting away.

 

It is however far easier to reconcile the Silent Grove with an AU where Alistair is still a Warden or is living in Exile, as the only variable is him not being the King, so in this timeline he still was able to undertake the mission as before. This latter AU is even shown to still have happened in Inquisition, as a Warden Alistair mentions meeting his father in the Fade.

 

Y'know, Bioware really needs to come up with some basic AU timelines for these What-If worldstates, if only to prevent creating plotholes and discontinuity between all the varying worldstates and their own canon, to better prevent against these kinds of continuity snarls?

[Aimi]

Y'know, Bioware really needs to come up with some basic AU timelines for these What-If worldstates, if only to prevent creating plotholes and discontinuity between all the varying worldstates and their own canon, to better prevent against these kinds of continuity snarls?

Why bother, when fans seem to be doing a decent enough job on their own?

[Sifr]

Why bother, when fans seem to be doing a decent enough job on their own?

 

True, but maybe the Keep guys could come up with something, since they're pretty much working as our resident continuity hounds anyway?

[Andromelek]

I hope that Bioware could add Yavana in a future game, I mean, she Is a witch Of the Wilds and even no magical characters have survived being killed.

[The Hierophant]

More importantly, i wonder what Maric thinks about Fiona after her Venatori alliance.