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[Commander Felos]

Who holds the most religous and political power of the chantry, as of post game? the inquisitor or the divine? The inquisitor is like a prophet and the savior of the world, wheras the divine is the pope..  Who is the top hat?

[turuzzusapatuttu]

The Divine of course. The Inquisitor has nothing to do with the Chantry, even if he proclames him/herself the most devout Andrastian of all Thedas.

[Colonelkillabee]

The Divine of course. The Inquisitor has nothing to do with the Chantry, even if he proclames him/herself the most devout Andrastian of all Thedas.

The inquisitor has everything to do with the chantry, even if he proclaims himself the most evil maleficar in all of Thedas.

 

It's both, really when you think about it. We are like moons, trapped by the gravity of the chantry. Linked, but never truly a part of it.

[LobselVith8]

Who holds the most religous and political power of the chantry, as of post game? the inquisitor or the divine? The inquisitor is like a prophet and the savior of the world, wheras the divine is the pope..  Who is the top hat?

 

Considering that the Inquisition is stable and powerful, both politically and militarily, while the Chantry can fracture without Inquisition support (as in the case of Vivienne becoming Divine without the support of the Inquisitor and the Inquisition), it seems like the Inquisitor is more powerful of the two after the events of the crisis with the Breach.

[Boost32]

Considering that the Inquisition is stable and powerful, both politically and militarily, while the Chantry can fracture without Inquisition support (as in the case of Vivienne becoming Divine without the support of the Inquisitor and the Inquisition), it seems like the Inquisitor is more powerful of the two after the events of the crisis with the Breach.

The question was "who hold more power in the Chantry", the answer is clearly the Divine.

Now who is more powerful between the Divine and the Inquisitor, is another thing. For example, Cassandra can have the templar order back if you ally with them, the Seekers back if she reform them and the support of the Inquisition, she is clearly more powerful than the Inquisitor but a Leliana Divine with the chantry fracturated and if the Inquisitor conscript the templars, will have a lot less power than the Inquisitor.

[Eliastion]

(...) Cassandra can have the templar order back if you ally with them, the Seekers back if she reform them and the support of the Inquisition, she is clearly more powerful than the Inquisitor but a Leliana Divine with the chantry fracturated and if the Inquisitor conscript the templars, will have a lot less power than the Inquisitor.

I won't discuss your conclusions as much as your reasoning. You put too much emphasis on Templars and the like while the order never was the true source of Chantry power. The one real military power the Divine holds is her authority to call for an Exalted March, really... not her own standing forces.

If we compare the raw military potential of organization itself, then perhaps Vivienne with her templars and Circles could be a match for Inquisition... but I seriously doubt even that. When it comes to religious power, however, things get a lot less clear. And I think this is a question we can't answer without a serious Inquisition-Chantry conflict. Seeing as Chantry is reorganizing under new Divine, we can't really tell what would the result for Inquisition's internal situation were the Divine to go against the Inquisitor. He is seen as a prophet or living saint by many, but how many of those faithful andrastians would really stay with him if the Chantry oficially (that is by decree of the Divine, not by some ramblings by this or that cleric) called for dissolution of Inquisition, now that the Breach is sealed and Cory gone? Technically speaking, Inquisition was formed by former Divine's order, it should listen to orders of the new Divine or disband at her word.

A serious conflict between Inquisition and the new Divine could end up being really ugly and it would seriously test both Divine's and Inquisitor's religious authority. Estimates without such conflict don't have much sense, though, as we can't even see where are the major cracks that would decide it. Imagine Cass going to "war" with Inquisition - I don't even know what side Leliana would ultimately pick in in such a conflict!

[JadeDragon]

Pro chantry Inquisitor with Cass divine romance are a religious power couple with equal influence. Working together having the Inquisitor's inquisition and cass's seekers and there templars allies are a force i don't think many want to face.

[LobselVith8]

The question was "who hold more power in the Chantry", the answer is clearly the Divine.

Technically, it was 'of', no 'in'. The OP was phrased as though it was addressing the religious sway held by the 'Herald of Andraste', as well as the actual power that is wielded by the protagonist, in comparison to the Divine. Given that the stability of the Chantry can fracture without the support of the Inquisitor (as in the case with Vivienne becoming the new Divine), I stand by my previous post.

[xBloodWardenx]

Well, considering in the ending the Chantry is pretty weak, plus the Templars have been dealt a serious blow even if you side with them, the Inquisition really is the dominant force in all of Ferelden and Orlais. It will be interesting to see how things go in the future without the common enemy to deal with. 

[Caddius]

The inquisitor has everything to do with the chantry, even if he proclaims himself the most evil maleficar in all of Thedas.

 

It's both, really when you think about it. We are like moons, trapped by the gravity of the chantry. Linked, but never truly a part of it.

This, pretty much. The Inquisition was founded by the ex-Divine's lieutenants, and is largely made up of devout Andrastians who follow the savior they think was sent by their holy Prophetess. Regardless of the Inquisitor or the player's feelings on the matter, Chantry and Inquisition are very much intertwined.

The Inquisition gets a lot of its power and favor from being the only force able to combat the Breach, and having an apparent savior as their figurehead/eventual leader. The Chantry retains more of the religious sway, but politically and militarily it's been devastated, and it needs the Inquisition just as much as the Inquisition needs the legitimacy of the Chantry to become a stable power. They've made it this far with the Chantry denouncing them, but once they became powerful, the Chantry chose to involve the Inquisition in its internal politics, as the Empire of Orlais always has.

Basically, my guess is that the Divine holds more religious power over the general populace, with much of the Inquisitor's religious sway being tied up in the people who have joined the Inquisition. It's like the Inquisitor took his Faith and bought a bunch of Knights and some Gold, using Civilization V terms.

[DanteYoda]

Too much religion and politics in games these days to be honest, gimme back wardens and blights any day over the Inquisition BS..

[Caddius]

Too much religion and politics in games these days to be honest, gimme back wardens and blights any day over the Inquisition BS..

Loghain's coup was largely based off of politics and his own history with the Orlesians. The Civil War and navigating the messy politics of Orzammar, the Landsmeet, and the Mage-Templar arguments were a huge part of the game. The main conflict in the story is the defense against the Blight splintering thanks to political infighting and ambition overriding the greater goal, as Flemeth is happy to snark about. Our protagonist's goal was to leap into the political fray and come out with a united Ferelden, Orzammar, Dalish, and Circle of Magi to be able to defeat the Blight.

The Blight itself is largely viewed as a religious apocalypse sent by the Maker to punish mankind for its sins. The Chantry is is the under-current of all of Southern Thedas. There are Chanters who hand out quests, weeping widows and terrified people listening to their Revered Mothers sing the Chant, and Templars to enforce the Chantry's will upon the mages. The Epilogue mentions the Chantry declaring an Exalted March on Orzammar over the political concerns of a Circle of Magi forming there, removing lyrium as the Chantry's means of control. 

And in Inquisition, we finally go to Orlais and Val Royeaux itself. Of course there's going to be even more religion and politics, we're at the center of an Empire and a religion. It's like going to the Vatican in the Middle Ages and expecting the Pope and Cardinals to stay politely in their churches, discussing theology, rather than jockeying for power and prestige.

Dragon Age has always been about politics and religion. That's what makes it different from the typical 'Hero saves the world' stories. The excellent handling of politics and religion.

[Boost32]

Technically, it was 'of', no 'in'. The OP was phrased as though it was addressing the religious sway held by the 'Herald of Andraste', as well as the actual power that is wielded by the protagonist, in comparison to the Divine. Given that the stability of the Chantry can fracture without the support of the Inquisitor (as in the case with Vivienne becoming the new Divine), I stand by my previous post.

Very well, sorry for my mistake.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well inquisitor word have at best only some influence in chantry as they can't directly chose divine or even become divine themselves despite technically it should be possible with force like inqusition and by virtue chantry not having army hell even temlplars showed chantry their place publicly owning chantry sister and chantry couldn't do anything about it.
 

[I present Chuck Bass]

The inquisitor has everything to do with the chantry, even if he proclaims himself the most evil maleficar in all of Thedas.

 

It's both, really when you think about it. We are like moons, trapped by the gravity of the chantry. Linked, but never truly a part of it.

You mean moonpies or what?

[Bad King]

Who holds the most religous and political power of the chantry, as of post game? the inquisitor or the divine? The inquisitor is like a prophet and the savior of the world, wheras the divine is the pope..  Who is the top hat?

 

It depends on your choices. For instance, in the situation that the templars are recruited and un-friended Vivienne is elected Divine, I can definitely see the Inquisitor being more powerful as the Inquisition commands an enormous military force while the victorious but militarily insignificant and much diminished chantry begins to crumble under the rule of a distrusted mage.

[Commander Felos]

It's very interesting, as they're both in the eyes of Andrastians "The embodiment of the maker's will". The herald has ultimately saved the world, and mircalously prevail, where he shoudln't have. Wheras the divine has only been elected by beurocrates, as all the grand clerics are dead.  But the divine is techically the leader of the chantry.   Lets have an hypotetical sitation:

 

Lets say the divine declares an exalted march against Tevinter or Qunland, and the inquisitor disagrees. Would the inquisitor have the power to stop the march?

[DanteYoda]

Loghain's coup was largely based off of politics and his own history with the Orlesians. The Civil War and navigating the messy politics of Orzammar, the Landsmeet, and the Mage-Templar arguments were a huge part of the game. The main conflict in the story is the defense against the Blight splintering thanks to political infighting and ambition overriding the greater goal, as Flemeth is happy to snark about. Our protagonist's goal was to leap into the political fray and come out with a united Ferelden, Orzammar, Dalish, and Circle of Magi to be able to defeat the Blight.

The Blight itself is largely viewed as a religious apocalypse sent by the Maker to punish mankind for its sins. The Chantry is is the under-current of all of Southern Thedas. There are Chanters who hand out quests, weeping widows and terrified people listening to their Revered Mothers sing the Chant, and Templars to enforce the Chantry's will upon the mages. The Epilogue mentions the Chantry declaring an Exalted March on Orzammar over the political concerns of a Circle of Magi forming there, removing lyrium as the Chantry's means of control. 

And in Inquisition, we finally go to Orlais and Val Royeaux itself. Of course there's going to be even more religion and politics, we're at the center of an Empire and a religion. It's like going to the Vatican in the Middle Ages and expecting the Pope and Cardinals to stay politely in their churches, discussing theology, rather than jockeying for power and prestige.

Dragon Age has always been about politics and religion. That's what makes it different from the typical 'Hero saves the world' stories. The excellent handling of politics and religion.

Maybe but they hid it far better, you were busy actually off fighting and following the stories, you occasionally got into some politics (Dwarves etc) but it was over pretty quick and you could move on with better things..

 

I saw very little religion in DA:O it was mostly blight, which in my opinion was far superior writing.

 

DA 2 was where that started and to be honest DA 2 isn't well known as a good game in anyway sadly DA:I decided to follow suite..