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[Vader20]

It becomes harder to put yourself in your character when you play as a midget, huge oxman or an elf.

 

[Big Magnet]

 

 

But isn't that the point of roleplaying ? To make the effort to play as something that you are not ? 

 

The point of roleplaying is being whatever you want to be. Human, dwarf, elf, qunari, dog, rat, lizard, popsicle... etc. 

 

You pick a role, and you play it. End of story.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

Lol. Elves in fantasy age much slower and humans. That and they do not have wrinkles unless they are Elder Scrolls Elves. In DAI, it is implied that Elves once were capable of either natural immortality or magically induced immortality. 
 

 

oh don't mind me   i was referring to a topic from a while ago where people who played female elves were basically accused of being attracted to their own characters.

[KaiserShep]

Despite being the dominant race throughout the game universe, I prefer having a character that has more of an outsider's perspective of the cultures of other races. It's why I would always play a human in Mass Effect no matter how many options we may have in the future. In DA's case, I would only ever play an elf. I just don't dig dwarves and I'm not keen on the oxmen in the least.

[Melca36]

Story fits well for all the races. Every possible Inquisitor is there because they have a reason to. As such the notion of the story fitting better with human makes little sense. If the story truly jut fits better with humans then why is Inquisition not a solely human organization ? Why were there non-Humans at the Temple of Sacred Ashes before the explosion. 

 

In fact, as a huge arc, Elf actually fits the best with Mythal, Fen'Harel, Eluvians, Abelas, etc but that is neither here nor there. 

 

Non Humans get good armor in multiplayer but not in singleplayer. Bioware's fault, not ours. 

 

 

 

 

They look lean, not frail. You can also roleplay as an open minded and kind Dwarf or Qunari or Elf just fine. There is a dialogue option that allows us so. 

 

 

 

 

Mages in games are real life scientists, academics and scholars. Look at how they can change the minds of peoples and influence policies with a few words and handwaving. 

 

Rogues in games are real life thieves, killers, investigators and adventurers. 

 

Warriors in games are real life fighters, brawlers, boxers, soldiers, etc. 

 

I am actually trying to understand. I do not play humans because one, they are humans and I am one and two, I will fall into the trap of self-inserting and self projection as opposed to role playing which then ends up with me taking issues that happen within the game personally. 

 

 

 

 

Lol. Elves in fantasy age much slower and humans. That and they do not have wrinkles unless they are Elder Scrolls Elves. In DAI, it is implied that Elves once were capable of either natural immortality or magically induced immortality. 

 

 

 

 

But isn't that the point of roleplaying ? Isn't that the whole point of fantasy ? To make the effort to play as something that you are fundamentally not ? 

 

 

Im not a mage in real life. I do NOT possess magic.    How hard is it to understand that people CAN ROLEPLAY Humans to be anything they want?   You hate humans. We get it.   We're not disparaging how you play... since you probably are not going to understand why some prefer humans...how about respecting their opinions instead of trying to convert people?

[Zeroth Angel]

But isn't that the point of roleplaying ? Isn't that the whole point of fantasy ? To make the effort to play as something that you are fundamentally not ? 

 

The point of roleplaying is being whatever you want to be. Human, dwarf, elf, qunari, dog, rat, lizard, popsicle... etc. 

 

You pick a role, and you play it. End of story.

Pretty much what Smash said.

 

It's still possible for someone to roleplay as a human.

 

Roleplaying is more than choosing a race after all.

[jlb524]

Can you or somebody elaborate more on this ? I want to start a new game and can't decide if I want an elf or finish my older human mage campaign...

I always hear about humans fitting better, but I just can't decide which is better. Humans seem to fit  until you arrive at Skyhold, but after that there's too much elven stuff going on.An elf feels much more involved in those things than a human. I always lose motivation after Skyhold when playing a human.

 

I think humans fit pretty well throughout (the game was created with just a human protag originally and I think it shows).  Most of the political stories you get involved with are human-centric, the question of whether the Maker is real or not (and you are Andraste's Herald), etc....all of this just made it so I felt more of an attachment to what was happening with a human. 

 

While there's 'elf stuff', I think there's a disconnect between all the big reveal stuff that's happening with the ancient elves and the limits on how my elven character can react to it all.  My elf at the Temple of Mythal feels like a human with a few elven 'flavor dialog options' thrown in but it all ends up feeling superficial to me.  This could be alleviated if the elven Inquisitor was a city elf instead.

[Vicious]

I think humans fit pretty well throughout (the game was created with just a human protag originally and I think it shows).

 

While there's 'elf stuff', I think there's a disconnect between all the big reveal stuff that's happening with the ancient elves and the limits on how my elven character can react to it all.  My elf at the Temple of Mythal feels like a human with a few elven 'flavor dialog options' thrown in but it all ends up feeling superficial to me.  This could be alleviated if the elven Inquisitor was a city elf instead.

 

 

sounds exactly like origins but that game wasn't created with just a human protag

[Frocharocha]

Because of this: 

 

Who doesn't like a Targeryan?

[Big Magnet]

The point of roleplaying is being whatever you want to be. Human, dwarf, elf, qunari, dog, rat, lizard, popsicle... etc. 

 

You pick a role, and you play it. End of story.

 

 

Quoting myself to add an example:

 

Last year me and a group of friends RPed a D&D session where one of the participants wasn't even playing a "role" so to speak, instead his character was actually himself, entering a portal at work and ending up in the game world. One of the best RP games I've ever participated in.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I almost never play the human races. Humans are too normal for me unless I like that particular faction over the others.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

It's a preference. From DAO - DAI, it's always been human. DAO's tapestry offers a fine opportunity to experience the story as other races since wardens are the main faction and to wardens, everyone is equal. Everyone accepts wardens, no matter who they are. Even so, I wasn't keen.

 

In DAI, the tapestry carries over from DA II; mage rebellion against the Chantry / Templars in a human dominated realm and a struggle against an ancient Tewinter mage reaching for what would have been impossible. After one DAI PT, I feel the only races that fit are humans and elves in such a context. The others, qunari and dwarves are misfits. The former originates from a foreign race / power Southern and Northern Thedas distrust and fear and who are not Andrastian. The latter have no mage born and are not Andrastian. They might have more relevance if Bioware had not thrown out a one size fits all tapestry (I say this from what I gathered from discussion on the board, the only difference in how the Inq is perceived is within slightly different dialogues). I would have tried other races if there had been greater impact from such choices.

[jlb524]

sounds exactly like origins but that game wasn't created with just a human protag

Origins had the same issue, yeah. The Origin stories did help a little.

[robertmarilyn]

I've just never wanted to play anything but a human before and might not even play the game without the choice of playing a human. But, for the first time, I would like to play an elf in DAI, so that I could try the Sola romance but won't play one while the bodies seem so extremely distorted. 

[Mikoto8472]

Why?

 

Because I want to. Because I identify better with a human character. Because the Inquisition and Thedas in general is human dominated. All your advisors are human, most of your forces are human.

 

As a non-human Inquisitor you're a nonhuman surrounded by humans, living by human culture, customs and traditions. Especially the Dalish Inquisitor given the Dalish have a long history of strongly disliking humans and hanging around them with their non-Dalish Andrastian culture. At least as a Grey Warden you've essentially left your people behind to become a Warden.

 

Once you've successfully sealed the breach, maybe the Dalish Inquisitor would want to return back to his/her people?

 

I'm just saying that a nonhuman Inquisitor doesn't fit in well with me.

[PlasmaCheese]

In DAO, I played elf first. In DA:I, I wanted to play either elf/Qunari first, but I had a very limited amount of time with internet. After making both and failing to make either even halfway decent, I had to hurry up so I could import my worldstate while I still had internet.

Long story short; human was the easiest to make "good-looking" without me missing my ride home, lol. I finished my first playthrough with her, and hated her appearance the entire time. >_< She wasn't *bad*, just had a gigantic forehead haha. Still better than my other 2 rejects.

I honestlly think the story fits best with a Dalish Elf (female for extra oomph), just like DA:O's story seemed to be best suited for Couslands. Playing a Dalish is the most fun for me so far.

[BabyPuncher]

But isn't that the point of roleplaying ? Isn't that the whole point of fantasy ? To make the effort to play as something that you are fundamentally not ? 

 

No.

 

In fact, the 'point' is closer to the complete opposite of that. That fantasy stories are about characters fundamentally the same.

 

One of the 'points' of fantasy and science fiction and other exotic settings in stories is that everything changes, but nothing changes at all. The fundamentals of life are all constant. The characters all experience fear, and courage, and struggle, and love. There's still danger to experience and skills to master, whether they're a product of technology or magic.

 

Which goes into why I don't understand why anybody would care about playing a non-human at all. It seems a very petty and shallow concern. Characters don't become interesting when you make their ears pointy or make them short, and why players get so excited over such things as if they make a difference is beyond me. 

[Yuyana]

I love non-humans, but not in this game. I don't want horned bodybuilder, starving elf with broken arms or a dwarf.

[pinkjellybeans]

To me, it's just not worth it to play as a dwarf or a qunari in this game. Elf is ok, but the frail looks bother me a bit (next to Solas and Sera the elf Inquisitor looks like a skinny teenager). This game was definitely made with a human in mind so it feels like playing as a different race is purely for aesthetic reasons because they act and talk like humans. But I always preferred playing as a human, probably because of just that, I'm human so I can identify myself more with the human race, therefore it's more enjoyable to me.

[Quaddis]

I always try to play character that is "me" as most as possible. I draw enjoyment from situation and story. What would I do if i am Quizzy, not what would I do when i am controlling guy with wird ears. 

[Marakov7]

I play as a human because I like to feel that the protagonist is ME. Same gender, hair style (as close as possible), hair color, eye color, etc so that it feels like I'm actually IN the story. That way when I come across elves, dwarves, qunari, drow, or whatever it feels like I'm actually interacting with them...a different race. To me, it's all about roleplaying...putting myself into this "alien" world.

[Lazengan]

uh it's obvious as hell

 

people self-insert themselves

 

did you really need that explained to you?

[o Ventus]

From the stats that have been floating around, either surveys done by those in BSN or one published by Bioware themselves, humans still remain the primary racial choice of most players. 

 

Why is this so ? I am curious so as to why would someone play as a human in a fantasy game, especially when they are given the choice to play non-humans. 

 

I mean, you are already a human in real life so why would you play as a human in a setting where the fantastical and the imaginary reign supreme ?

 

The one extra ability point is rather meaningless considering the fact that Inquisitor can get 5 bonus ability points in game. The broken arms for male Elves are an issue but that can be mitigated somewhat if you wear good armor or mod the game to allow your male Lavellans to wear armor or other types of clothing. 

 

So I am curious to hear about why people who play humans play them ? I have tried to play as one but never managed to finish playing them...

 

Why would the game being fantasy have any bearing on someone's choice of race for their PC?

 

The obvious answer is because of role-playing. One does not need to play an orc or an elf in order to immerse themselves in the fantasy. I play as a human, but I myself am not a noble from a devout and wealthy family, like the human Inquisitor.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Story fits well for all the races. Every possible Inquisitor is there because they have a reason to. As such the notion of the story fitting better with human makes little sense. If the story truly jut fits better with humans then why is Inquisition not a solely human organization ? Why were there non-Humans at the Temple of Sacred Ashes before the explosion. 

 

In fact, as a huge arc, Elf actually fits the best with Mythal, Fen'Harel, Eluvians, Abelas, etc but that is neither here nor there. 

 

Non Humans get good armor in multiplayer but not in singleplayer. Bioware's fault, not ours. 

The story may generally fit well for all races but the presentation feels vastly more organic with a human. This is a story that was written with a human protagonist in mind, and I would say it shows if you take a step back and look through the little holes.

 

You're right about the 'elf stuff', but given how my elven Inquisitor reacted to it, I'm inclined to believe it's not a good excuse. The elven Inquisitor literally knows almost no more about Mythal and ancient elven lore than a qunari Inquisitor. Considering that she is Dalish, that was a bit of a red flag for me.

 

I still enjoyed my playthrough's regardless of race. However, my 'canon' remains human for the third time in the series.