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WW2 70th anniversary

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:03

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Well, from discussion around the forum I can tell that a good number of you guys/gals are really interested in ww2 and really knowledgeable about it, and I would love to discuss it with all of you! I figure now is a good time for this thread since may 8th is the 70th anniversary of the wars end, as well as today being the 70th anniversary of the battle of Iwo jima.

Anyway, I was reading war is boring(great site they do wartime reporting) and I read this article on Iwo Jima

 

It was really fascinating, and I wanted to share it with you guys, since war is boring is not really a well known site. You don't have to read the article, but I HIGHLY recommend it. I was wondering if any of you guys have family members that fought, or were even just alive back then and have any interesting stories to share, that would be cool. 

 

Also, I can recommend tons of articles on war is boring, some of them really long, but all of them fascinating. 

 

I wasn't sure if this thread was a good idea, but I figure the worst case scenario it just gets no replies. Please be civil with each other. 


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:08

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Just saying "Hello" <_<


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:18

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My Grandfather(RIP) fought in WW2. 


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:21

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My great uncle was a mechanic, I think, in WW2.

He met Chuck Yeager once. Said he was a great, down-to-earth guy.
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:22

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Just saying "Hello" <_<

LOL. Much appreciated. 

 

 

My Grandfather(RIP) fought in WW2. 

If your comfortable with sharing, do you know anything about his service? Where he served, what military(I assume America?) etc.

 

My great grandfather served in the U.S. Army on the western front, unfortunately that's all I know as he died when I was very young. I dont know if he saw combat or what, all I know is he served.

 

I had a teacher in high-school whose family lived in Germany during their depression and ww2. He had a few relatives that served in the Wehrmacht, and he would always talk about his families experiences in Nazi germany. 


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:27

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This guy doesnt want to talk about WW2.



It is my favorite WW2 movie

But on the topic I always found WW2 to be really fascinating subject to study in school. I do not know why. Good article OP.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:30

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My great uncle was a mechanic, I think, in WW2.

He met Chuck Yeager once. Said he was a great, down-to-earth guy.

Thats awesome. I love hearing about accounts from peoples family and stuff that you wont find in history books. Its just fascinating. 
 
 

But on the topic I always found WW2 to be really fascinating subject to study in school. I do not know why. Good article OP.

I like that movie too, lol. And yeah, War is Boring always posts the best articles. Stuff about the state of north koreas military, war history, current day conflicts, and military technology. hahaha, maybe I should have just made this a military in general thread instead of just about ww2.

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:41

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If your comfortable with sharing, do you know anything about his service? Where he served, what military(I assume America?) etc.

He was in England and Germany. He retired in 1962 at the rank of Colonel


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:45

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my old family served in U.S. Military since beginning of first World War. the tradition ended in 1980, when they stopped doing Military service. but the tradition continues in my current family.

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:47

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my old family served in U.S. Military since beginning of first World War. the tradition ended in 1980, when they stopped doing Military service. but the tradition continues in my current family.

 

Hey Cass.... weren't you supposed to be away for like a.. very long time?... lol.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:20

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I find WW2 very interesting, i like reading about it & 1 of my favourite movies is Der Untergang (Downfall). I can't remember any of my family who fought in WW1 or WW2 unfortunately tho :(

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my old family served in U.S. Military since beginning of first World War. the tradition ended in 1980, when they stopped doing Military service. but the tradition continues in my current family.

Oh, I had no idea you were from a military family like that! Thats awesome, I am sure you are very proud of them all for their service.

Hey Cass.... weren't you supposed to be away for like a.. very long time?... lol.

This thread is just so amazing it coaxed her out of retirement.


Also, the other day there was some debate as to whether the soviet union could have beaten Nazi Germany without the lend lease act and American aid.

I am curious as to what everyone thinks on that. Personally, I really don't think the Soviets could have pulled it off. The food and vehicles they were given was imperative to their rapid advances and throwing back the Germans. What is not debatable however, is that even if they did pull it off without lend lease, it would have taken them far longer(perhaps long enough for the Germans to develop a nuke) and been far bloodier for both sides.
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:24

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Oh, I had no idea you were from a military family like that! Thats awesome, I am sure you are very proud of them all for their service.

This thread is just so amazing it coaxed her out of retirement.


Also, the other day there was some debate as to whether the soviet union could have beaten Nazi Germany without the lend lease act and American aid.

I am curious as to what everyone thinks on that. Personally, I really don't think the Soviets could have pulled it off. The food and vehicles they were given was imperative to their rapid advances and throwing back the Germans. What is not debatable however, is that even if they did pull it off without lend lease, it would have taken them far longer(perhaps long enough for the Germans to develop a nuke) and been far bloodier for both sides.

Wait we came to help England out in WW2. That and the whole pearl harbor. Germany still had a tready with the USSR. At the time the USA joined. Russia didnt start fighting until germany attacked them for some reason. Or am I just not remembering history right?

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:25

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This thread is just so amazing it coaxed her out of retirement.

 

I believe you! That's because you are so awesome and you make such awesome threads ;)

 

And the subject is actually interesting, something which has always interested me.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:29

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Wait we came to help England out in WW2. That and the whole pearl harbor. Germany still had a tready with the USSR. At the time the USA joined. Russia didnt start fighting until germany attacked them for some reason. Or am I just not remembering history right?

By the time America got involved the Germans had already invaded the Soviet union. Germany invaded them on June 22nd 1941, pearl harbor and our open involvement did not happen until December of 1941.

Of course, we had an embargo on the Japanese before then, which ruined their economy, and we were giving the English material aid. But we did not officially join the war until after pearl harbor. The war was well underway by the time we joined.

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:30

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By the time America got involved the Germans had already invaded the Soviet union. Germany invaded them on June 22nd 1941, pearl harbor and our open involvement did not happen until December of 1941.

Of course, we had an embargo on the Japanese before then, which ruined their economy, and we were giving the English material aid. But we did not officially join the war until after pearl harbor.


Hey IM 17!! How should I know!

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:42

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I am curious as to what everyone thinks on that. Personally, I really don't think the Soviets could have pulled it off. The food and vehicles they were given was imperative to their rapid advances and throwing back the Germans. What is not debatable however, is that even if they did pull it off without lend lease, it would have taken them far longer(perhaps long enough for the Germans to develop a nuke) and been far bloodier for both sides.


Id say it would have became a stablemate if it had been just Germany vs the Soviet Union, the Nazis didn't have the manpower to defeat the Soviets

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:48

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Hey Cass.... weren't you supposed to be away for like a.. very long time?... lol.

 

You believed her? lol :P


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:49

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War...

 

 

...war never changes.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:52

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War...
 
 
...war never changes.


I read that & heard Ron Perlman in my head :lol:


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:53

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What I think of the whole war was a result of people in a 'had enough of that' mentality. Of course, we today can judge the past and say that they wrought more misery, but I firmly believe that anyone in their shoes would have done the same thing.

 

As for relatives in the era, my grandfather (R.I.P.) was imprisoned by Japanese soldiers. I don't know if he was under regular or kempeitai arrest as he was suspected for working with/for the Ang Yi (Chinese Mafia who opposed the Japanese)


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:55

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Id say it would have became a stablemate if it had been just Germany vs the Soviet Union, the Nazis didn't have the manpower to defeat the Soviets

Do you mean without the lend lease act or do you mean just straight up Germany vs the Soviet Union? If its just Germany vs the Soviet union Germany DEFINITELY wins. All the units in the west would be available to the germans, and the British and American bombing campaign would mean the German industry could keep going completely unimpeded, not to mention the Luftwaffe wouldn't have to worry about American or British air.

If you mean just without the Lend lease act I think you might have a point about numbers. But a few things to consider, a stalemate might mean the Germans have time to develop a nuclear bomb, and then its game over. And also, without the American vehicles(we gave them over 400,000 of them) not to mention all the oil, the Soviets would be moving FAR slower, and have way less tanks. Sure, the Soviets had a huge population, but that will only get you so far when casualties are so high. How long does morale last with such high casualties?

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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:55

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I read that & heard Ron Perlman in my head :lol:

 

It's always fine to hear Ron Perlman in your head.

 

 

However, the REAL problems start when the different Ron Perlman's in your head begin fighting with themselves over which one is going to be taking possession of your immortal soul. Trust me - Thanksgiving 2009 was a trying time for me.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:59

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Do you mean without the lend lease act or do you mean just straight up Germany vs the Soviet Union? If its just Germany vs the Soviet union Germany DEFINITELY wins. All the units in the west would be available to the germans, and the British and American bombing campaign would mean the German industry could keep going completely unimpeded, not to mention the Luftwaffe wouldn't have to worry about American or British air.

If you mean just without the Lend lease act I think you might have a point about numbers. But a few things to consider, a stalemate might mean the Germans have time to develop a nuclear bomb, and then its game over. And also, without the American vehicles(we gave them over 400,000 of them) not to mention all the oil, the Soviets would be moving FAR slower, and have way less tanks. Sure, the Soviets had a huge population, but that will only get you so far when casualties are so high. How long does morale last with such high casualties?

 

I'm not sure about "definitely." 

 

I mean, Germany made the same mistake Napoleon did - fight the Soviets in the winter. Obviously the desire to do so was fueled by the rapidly approaching spectre of a two-front war, but it doesn't alleviate the fact that taking Moscow when its freezing and with hardly any natural food supplies has been the death of more armies than can be easily counted. The Russians have made a past time out of scorching their settlements out of spite of invading armies, so I'm not sure even if Germany had entered into a peace treaty with the British and the US had never gotten involved in Europe that the Germans wouldn't have lost to Russia in pretty much the exact same fashion, just much slower.


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Posté 22 février 2015 - 03:00

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Always thought this was cool

send-gun-to-british-home.jpg

 

I heard many of the donated weapons were disposed of post-war, but apparently, some made it back to the states.


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