1602 réponses à ce sujet

[Elfyoth]

 

 

 

Here is Enansal Lavellan tried to make him to look as close to me  

[MoonDrummer]

I'm curious, what does everyone want when it comes to the outcome of their respective elven Inquisitor? Whether or not it's within the boundaries of the game design, is there an epilogue that you specifically want for your Dalish protagonist?

Mine wanted to go home afterwards, wasn't given the chance lol

[Han Yolo]

That was what my Lavellan wanted to do at first, when Cassandra asked her about it in Haven. She's quite homesick at the beginning, what with all the humans around her.

But then she becomes inquisitor and though she still does miss her clan, she sees a chance to change things. Taking down Cauliflower is top priority of course, but she can also use her influence to try and make life better for her fellow elfies. So she supports Briala (which might bite her in the bits later).

Then she learns all this stuff about her heritage in the Temple of Mythal and Abelas calling her shemlen really hit her hard, and then Solas reveals the truth about her Vallaslin, and she doesn't feel like she can return to clan Lavellan. She loves them, yes, but she has changed too much.

So she's all about looking forward and helping her people now. We'll see how that fares.

[MisterJB]

I believe human rulers use "elven riot" as a cover for political agendas, sure. That's been established a couple times already.

I am referring to the epilogue slides. Unless you believe them to be misleading, that is four possible elven riots.
Mayhaps there is a sensible reason for not allowing elves weapons. What is their rate of criminality, one wonders.

[Addai]

I am referring to the epilogue slides. Unless you believe them to be misleading, that is four possible elven riots.
Mayhaps there is a sensible reason for not allowing elves weapons. What is their rate of criminality, one wonders.

Are you suggesting it's higher than any other group of similar economic and political oppression? Bold, to admit your racism that openly.

[Qun00]

"Support thread"...

Elves aren't popular? Really?

[Gervaise]

My female mage  Lavellan feels a bit confused about her identity.  Abelas states categorically "You are not of my People" and also calls her "Shem".    Yet Flemeth/Mythal says "You do the People proud".   So she has the endorsement of the elven goddess (in the form of a human it has to be admitted), yet not the goddess' chief priest.   On top of that you have Solas saying how awful the elven gods were and how elven nobles marked their slaves, so she had her vallaslin removed because they are meant to honour the gods but everything makes her feel they aren't worth honouring whether as slave marks or not.   With her clan in Wycombe, she feels she is probably going to do them and the rest of the elves more good sticking with the Inquisition.  She's just not sure what direction she should be encouraging them to move at present.

 

My male hunter Lavellan has gone one stage further.   He'd always admired Shartan and used him as something of a role model.   He had the vallaslin of Mythal to reflect his role as hunter/protector for the clan.   Now he's met Mythal and apparently all these years she's never bothered to inform them of her existence, plus her servant, Abelas, has categorically rejected his kinship.    So he's firmly of the belief that the Dalish should abandon their foolish endeavour to try and recover the past "glory" of the elves and instead work towards a better future for themselves in co-operation with their human neighbours rather than isolated from them.   In this respect the Inquisition is a pattern for them to follow, as is his clan in Wycombe.      This doesn't just extend to the Dalish.    Abelas' rejection made him recall, with shame and humiliation, how many of the clans view the city elves and so far as he is concerned, he is working for them as well.    To this end, he made Briala ruler of Orlais and knows that so long as he continues to support her, the reforms she is putting in place will stick.    He already has his sights set on Tevinter and helping his enslaved people there, hopefully with the aid of his lover Dorian.

 

I am now playing through with a male mage Lavellan and will see how things pan out with him.    He's always been a bit of a maverick but very talented.   He's always regarded honouring elven gods who either would not or could not respond a rather vain endeavour and only interested in the past for what insight it can give to magic, so it will be interesting to see where this takes him.

[Lulupab]

Are you suggesting it's higher than any other group of similar economic and political oppression? Bold, to admit your racism that openly.

 

Its fictional racism but that sort of attitude was always bold around here. No surprise really.

[BronzTrooper]

I believe the game will deal more about the elven culture.

 

Well, what I meant was that they'd take him from being a minor character to a full-fledged romanceable companion.

 

As for DA4, I think that if there isn't a Warden focus in one of the DLCs for DA:I (according to the epilogue, something's definitely going down in Weisshaupt), then DA4 will have a Warden focus.  Doubtful we'd be played as a Warden in that case, though.  I'd assume that we'd play as someone that's been sent to investigate what's going on with the Wardens.

 

But then, this is hypothetical.  We did have a large amount of elven focus in DA:I, especially when compared to DA:O and DA2, so I doubt there'll be a huge elven focus in DA4.  Hoping for a dwarven focus, tbh.  We've had very little new lore about them and there's a lot of history relating to them that's been lost.  Kieran's comment about the 'titans' when talking to a dwarven Inquisitor hints that there's more to the dwarves than meets the eye.

 

Either that or a focus on the taint itself.  After DA:O and Awakening, the only actual lore we've gotten regarding the taint was in DA:I, and even then, it was barely anything.  Would really like to be able to learn more about the taint.

[BronzTrooper]

"Support thread"...

Elves aren't popular? Really?

 

They are popular, just like mages are popular.  It's just that elf threads tend not to last long due to trolls swarming them.  This is actually the 4th incarnation of this thread I've seen.  The last 3 all eventually got locked or disappeared entirely.

 

Damn Clique and ADB...  

[Gervaise]

The Solas plot has got to be resolved either in some form of expansion or DLC or in DA4.   It is way more significant than the Wardens.    Everything was building up to it with the emphasis placed on the elven history in DAI.   Once it was revealed that the orb originally came from Solas and what happened with him and Flemeth, the Corypheus story seemed more like an extended prologue.    What happens with the Wardens may be a sub-plot in the next instalment or a DLC but I for one would be extremely disappointed if it was a major focus in the future; the elven history reveal and Solas' part in the DAI plot was way more significant.    The red lyrium does have a bearing on both, however, so no doubt that will also feature.

[BronzTrooper]

The Solas plot has got to be resolved either in some form of expansion or DLC or in DA4.   It is way more significant than the Wardens.    Everything was building up to it with the emphasis placed on the elven history in DAI.   Once it was revealed that the orb originally came from Solas and what happened with him and Flemeth, the Corypheus story seemed more like an extended prologue.    What happens with the Wardens may be a sub-plot in the next instalment or a DLC but I for one would be extremely disappointed if it was a major focus in the future; the elven history reveal and Solas' part in the DAI plot was way more significant.    The red lyrium does have a bearing on both, however, so no doubt that will also feature.

 

I did say if one of the DLCs for DA:I didn't have a Warden focus, not that DA4 should focus on the Wardens.  I'd prefer both the Solas plot and the Wardens' internal conflict to be resolved in DLCs and have something different for DA4.

 

I doubt that Solas' plot would be resolved in DA4 since it has a lot more relevance to DA:I.  Plus, since we're more than likely getting a new protag for DA4, there'd be very little reason to actually look for Solas unless said protag is an agent of the Inquisition.  I doubt that the new protag would be an agent of the Inquisition, so it's more likely that Solas' plot would be resolved in a DLC.

 

Speaking of DLCs, anyone have any idea when the first story DLC is supposed to be launched?

[Red of Rivia]

I doubt, I think the warden theme will take a while to come again.

[BronzTrooper]

I doubt, I think the warden theme will take a while to come again.

 

It's highly unlikely that BW will completely ignore what's going on in Weisshaupt.  I'd assume that BW would resolve it in a DLC rather than saving it for DA4, but we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.

[Red of Rivia]

The Sola thing... makes sense to settle into a DLC than in another game, because as you said, it is on the Inquisition. If the rumors are real, I think it is, the game will pass in the north, then we can see Anderfels or Tevinter, big bets in Tevinter. I'd rather go to Anderfels. If we go to Tevinter there is a great chance to see more about the elven culture than in Anderfels, well, there are not many information about Anderfels, it can happen both in both places. If we are in the Anderfels, there will be a collective cry if the Warden does not appear. And will start that discussion about his relevance that 's beside the point.

[BronzTrooper]

The Sola thing... makes sense to settle into a DLC than in another game, because as you said, it is on the Inquisition. If the rumors are real, I think it is, the game will pass in the north, then we can see Anderfels or Tevinter, big bets in Tevinter. I'd rather go to Anderfels. If we go to Tevinter there is a great chance to see more about the elven culture than in Anderfels, well, there are not many information about Anderfels, it can happen both in both places. If we are in the Anderfels, there will be a collective cry if the Warden does not appear. And will start that discussion about his relevance that 's beside the point.

 

I don't think we're going to the Anderfels yet, but I could be wrong.  I'm thinking we'll end up going to Nevarra and Tevinter.  Maybe Rivain and/or Antiva, but that'd be stretching it, imo.  We did have access to Ferelden and Orlais in DA:I.  Why limit the areas for DA4 to just one nation?

 

As for the Warden, for the moment, they're in Ferelden trying to find a way to stop the Calling.  I could see them maybe ending up in the Deep Roads for more research (darkspawn are all over the place there, so where better to learn about them?), but going all the way to the Anderfels?  Doubtful.  Besides, we were wandering around Redcliffe, which is not all that far away from where the operation to find the Warden is in the first place, yet we didn't see them.  tbh, I hope they don't bring them back in DA4.  Especially considering how Hawke was handled...

[Red of Rivia]

Has some theory that he is elsewhere, not in Ferelden. And based on it that they think will have a DLC for this. But that's another story. What interested me was the quote from Abelas on Mythal and the Solas do not even believe in the elven gods, he even give a hint, ''spirits, powerful mages, etc.''

[BronzTrooper]

Has some theory that he is elsewhere, not in Ferelden. And based on it that they think will have a DLC for this. But that's another story. What interested me was the quote from Abelas on Mythal and the Solas do not even believe in the elven gods, he even give a hint, ''spirits, powerful mages, etc.''

 

Yeah, I've been wondering about what the Creators really were.  Honestly, I think that they are spirits like dragons are lizards.  The 'murder' of Mythal that Abelas talks about is probably just the murder of her vessel (i.e.: like how Justice and Anders were joined, minus the obvious complications), which resulted in her being trapped in the Fade until she found Flemeth.  Now that their beings are intertwined, they are essentially one.

 

As for Solas himself... well, atm, we don't know if how he looks is his true form or not.  I think that it isn't his real form, and that he jumped into his current body after he woke up so that he could better fit into modern Thedas.

 

However, if that is his true form, then that means that the Creators were simply very, very powerful mages that found a way to preserve their souls in the Fade after death, allowing them the ability to jump into other bodies.  As of right now, all we know is that beyond the taint, the only way to possess that ability is to be joined with a very powerful spirit (FleMythal), though it may have been possible for the Creators to body-hop without joining with a spirit.  Whatever magic they used would likely be extremely well-guarded and hidden, and for good reason.  Cory possessed the ability to body-hop, as the archdemons do, and he took advantage of that.  Imagine if the Archon or a power-mad Tevinter magister gained access to body-hopping.

 

But then, nothing regarding what I've mentioned has been confirmed, so we'll just have to speculate for the time being.

[Eliastion]

My pet theory is that elven gods were originally mortals... in a way. Other than Ghilan'nain who regardless of version of the story became a god with help from existing gods, I don't think they were just mages. In DA:O we pretty much encounter a living proof that what we consider a mortal being with a soul is extremely narrow view - Brecilen does, literally, have a soul. Based on what we were told Lady of  the Forest isn't just some Fade spirit identifying with the forest - she was literally living on this side of the Veil, being "spirit of the forest itself". Taking into account that human souls only enter Fade while sleeping - isn't that an extremely similar situation?

So if a forest is a living beeing, so could be perhaps a mountain, or a sea, or a volcano (remember how June crafted his own body? ). And beings like that, if spontaneously manifested at some point, perhaps before elves themselves even came to be, could then become what we know as elven Creators. In a way they are mortals, no more supernatural than an elf. On the other hand, they could potentially grow really powerful, far beyond what generally an ancient elf could hope for. And, over millenia, they could probably "outgrow" their origins (perhaps died physically and became something like ghosts - and we've encountered ghosts too), but that's another story.

Also, remember Solas clarifying Mythal as "mother, kind and fierce" when Morrigan inquires about seemingly inconsistent tales about Mythal character? Now let's contemplate Lady of the Forest/Witherfang duality

[Elfyoth]

My pet theory is that elven gods were originally mortals... in a way. Other than Ghilan'nain who regardless of version of the story became a god with help from existing gods, I don't think they were just mages. In DA:O we pretty much encounter a living proof that what we consider a mortal being with a soul is extremely narrow view - Brecilen does, literally, have a soul. Based on what we were told Lady of  the Forest isn't just some Fade spirit identifying with the forest - she was literally living on this side of the Veil, being "spirit of the forest itself". Taking into account that human souls only enter Fade while sleeping - isn't that an extremely similar situation?

So if a forest is a living beeing, so could be perhaps a mountain, or a sea, or a volcano (remember how June crafted his own body? ). And beings like that, if spontaneously manifested at some point, perhaps before elves themselves even came to be, could then become what we know as elven Creators. In a way they are mortals, no more supernatural than an elf. On the other hand, they could potentially grow really powerful, far beyond what generally an ancient elf could hope for. And, over millenia, they could probably "outgrow" their origins (perhaps died physically and became something like ghosts - and we've encountered ghosts too), but that's another story.

Also, remember Solas clarifying Mythal as "mother, kind and fierce" when Morrigan inquires about seemingly inconsistent tales about Mythal character? Now let's contemplate Lady of the Forest/Witherfang duality

My theory is that they are spririts, according to the Elven Pantheon the Creators DID NOT,  create the world... June maybe crafted his body, and possesed it? Sylasie according to the Dalish was mortal... Hmm, maybe another thing they got wrong? 

[Eliastion]

My theory is that they are spririts, according to the Elven Pantheon the Creators DID NOT,  create the world... June maybe crafted his body, and possesed it? Sylasie according to the Dalish was mortal... Hmm, maybe another thing they got wrong? 

Of course they didn't, forests and mountains don't tend to be creators of worlds  

But if you look at Dalish tales, they are also quite clear about the fact that Creators did not originate in the Fade, they had to learn it, even the two most associated with it (Dirthamen and Falon'Din). 

[Elfyoth]

Of course they didn't, forests and mountains don't tend to be creators of worlds

But if you look at Dalish tales, they are also quite clear about the fact that Creators did not originate in the Fade, they had to learn it, even the two most associated with it (Dirthamen and Falon'Din). 

Hmm intrensting... So how they can posses things?  

[Eliastion]

Well, my theory concerns their origins, they had lots of time to outgrow them. We know that in DA ghosts are real (though I'm not sure if we do have some account of ghost possessing someone) and Lady of the Forest manifested as a physical being (other than the forest she was) because she was forcibly bound to a wolf by Zathrian's blood magic. That would mean that some manner of possession is indeed possible... though we know little about the details, both about Lady of the Forest and about the way Mythal possessed Flemeth; to what extent was it similar to possession by a spirit? And how do really souls and ghosts work - would it be possible for powerful enough Dreamer to - rather than "kill" someone in the Fade - possess him? Can ghosts possess people? What are similarities and differences between a ghost and a spirit? And what really happen to most souls after death, seeing as they generally are noticeably absent from the Fade despite various cultures claiming Fade to be the realm of the dead?

And, the most important question: if a forest spirit was bound to an elf by means of blood magic, and that elf would bite someone, would it be a beginning of a wereelf curse?  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

They are popular, just like mages are popular.  It's just that elf threads tend not to last long due to trolls swarming them.  This is actually the 4th incarnation of this thread I've seen.  The last 3 all eventually got locked or disappeared entirely.

 

Damn Clique and ADB...  

 

That is why we must put statues of Fen'Harel around this thread. It would drive trolls away...The Dread Wolf will take them...

[Bad King]

I have a question for you all relating to this codex entry from DA:O:

 

"The keeper says that one day the Dalish will find a home that we can call our own. But why? Why should we tie ourselves to stone constructions like the humans and the dwarves? What is wrong with the life we have now? We owe nothing to anyone, we have no master but ourselves, and we go where the halla and the gods take us. There is nothing more wonderful than sitting on an aravel as it flies through the forest, pulled by our halla. We are truly free, for the first time in our people's history. Why should we change this?"

 

--From the journal of Taniel, clan hunter.

 

From this codex entry, it can be garnered that there are Dalish elves out there who do not desire sedentism due to a fear of the loss of their society's egalitarianism and nomadic lifestyle. So, what do those of you who roleplay Dalish elves think regarding whether or not the elves should strive to be more like their ancient ancestors in settling down and becoming sedentary? Do any of you agree with the clan hunter above - that the Dalish should embrace their nomadic lifestyle in order to guarantee preservation of their freedom and equality?