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[Elfyoth]

Thanks for the confirmation


Yeah I heard it on the forums a while ago, don't remeber where though. As for it being kept, that probably has more to do with the elven armors just being ported from DA2 than anything else.

And for the record I also think the barefoot thing is silly, shoes serve a practically purpose, you'd think people who spend their lives as nomads would have an appreciation for their benefits.

I agree.

[MoonDrummer]

Sometimes I wonder how the City Elves feel about the Dalish way of life.

It must be like "I don't know, man... I hate this alienage but I'm not desperate enough to live in the woods".
 

I think its mentioned in Origins that a lot of city elves can't hack Dalish life, and end up going back to the alienages. 

[Patchwork]

 

 

 

Thanks for the confirmation

 

 

Yeah I heard it on the forums a while ago, don't remeber where though. As for it being kept, that probably has more to do with the elven armors just being ported from DA2 than anything else. 

 

And for the record I also think the barefoot thing is silly, shoes serve a practically purpose, you'd think people who spend their lives as nomads would have an appreciation for their benefits. 

 

 

Forget the dalish just imagine the kind of stuff a bare footed City Elf living in an Alienage would have to walk through.

 

It's been a while since I played DAO but I think the dalish were dismissed as savages and a myth. The guy who had run off to find them was expected to come back shamefaced having had no luck.  

[LOLandStuff]

Didn't the Devs clear up in DA2, that the whole walking barefoot thing was a preference of the art team and not a lore based decision from the writers who think it's rather silly. 

 

By my comment, I meant they make soup out of their shoes. Hence why they walk barefoot.

[TK514]

I have always wondered what an elven food is like. We know that the City Elves of Denerim like roasted mouses? And that in Fereldan Merill really liked some special berries that grow there. What do you think Elves eat? 

 

For example I imagine that the Dalish eat mostly meat and soups, and maybe some potatos from trading with villages, since they are travelling they can't grow them. Unless they are in one place for a long time. 

 

And I imagine that City Elves eat mostly what poor humans eat, or any poor pepole. Hmm I wonder, if they eat Fondo... 

 

Merrill suggests during one of the conversations that if the Dalish aren't chased off prematurely, but the time they leave they have hunted out and picked the area clean of edible or useful supplies.

 

My suspicion is that much of what they eat is preserved meats and fruits/berries.  They stock up when they are lucky enough to be in an area for a while, and preserve what they can for times when they are constantly on the move.

[dragonflight288]

True, but I find it hard to believe that it would take Orlais until the Dales had reached Val Royeaux to muster its military.  Plus, it was Orlais that declared war on the Dales, not the reverse, meaning that they knew there was going to be, at the very least, extended conflict between them.  If it truly was a surprise attack, the Dales would've likely declared war first (obviously after their forces attacked, of course).

 

Either way, I'm not interested in getting into another argument over this.

 

Or they expected a very short war. 

[dragonflight288]

I think its mentioned in Origins that a lot of city elves can't hack Dalish life, and end up going back to the alienages. 

 

It's also discussed that there is so much misrepresentation, and since most city elves are Andrastian, that many see the Dalish as savages because they never been in contact with one.

 

Then you have the elves who bowed to Merethari as she walked in to the alienage. 

 

While a cool scene, I felt it was also kind of lore-breaking with what we had. 

[MoonDrummer]

It's also discussed that there is so much misrepresentation, and since most city elves are Andrastian, that many see the Dalish as savages because they never been in contact with one.

 

Then you have the elves who bowed to Merethari as she walked in to the alienage. 

 

While a cool scene, I felt it was also kind of lore-breaking with what we had. 

Yeah its a bit inconsistent, Briala mentions that if city elves seen Felassan's vallaslin, half would bow to him and half would attack him. But she also seems to be under the impression that being a homeless nomad is the easy life.

[dragonflight288]

Yeah its a bit inconsistent, Briala mentions that if city elves seen Felassan's vallaslin half would bow to him and half would attack him. But she also seems to be under the impression that being a homeless nomad is the easy life.

 

I suppose it is easy compared to back room politics, playing bard in a society that sees elves as second class citizens and being the lover and personal assassin/spy-master of the Empress of one of the most powerful nations. 

 

She kind of put herself in a pretty crappy position. 

 

But I agree that she has serious misconceptions on what life is like for the Dalish. 

[Steelcan]

 

But I agree that she has serious misconceptions on what life is like for the Dalish. 

its all well and good to play up the ideas of self reliance and defiance and a more "harmonious" life with nature

 

then you find out your food fights back/runs away, good luck with diseases, etc...

[TK514]

 

We see that the Kirkwall Alienage just happened to house elves who felt very devoted to their heritage and tradition (they all took great care of their Vhenadahl, and took turns decorating it each day), so it makes sense that they would bow to Marethari when she arrived. (A beautiful moment, if I say so myself.) Other alienages, like the Denerim Alienage? Probably not as likely.

 

We don't agree on much, but I absolutely agree with this.  I think the music in particular really elevates the scene to one of my favorites in DA2.

[Elfyoth]

We don't agree on much, but I absolutely agree with this. I think the music in particular really elevates the scene to one of my favorites in DA2.

I agree

[Addai]

It's also discussed that there is so much misrepresentation, and since most city elves are Andrastian, that many see the Dalish as savages because they never been in contact with one.
 
Then you have the elves who bowed to Merethari as she walked in to the alienage. 
 
While a cool scene, I felt it was also kind of lore-breaking with what we had.

It's also pretty ironic knowing what we now know about elven history.

[Bad King]

its all well and good to play up the ideas of self reliance and defiance and a more "harmonious" life with nature

 

then you find out your food fights back/runs away, good luck with diseases, etc...

 

They Dalish elves are probably less threatened by starvation and disease than the city elves are who live in large slums in which infectious diseases could flourish and where famine (due to war or crop diseases) could cause mass starvation. In fact, they're probably less threatened by these things than most commoners (of any race) in Thedas.

[Assassino01]

Sometimes I wonder how the City Elves feel about the Dalish way of life.

It must be like "I don't know, man... I hate this alienage but I'm not desperate enough to live in the woods".
 

 

If you did the City Elf Origin in origins then you get an answer to this question more or less. The city elves either think the Dalish are just a story, not real at all. Or they think the Dalish are savages and bandits, and not "true elves" at all.

 

EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread. Seems like everyone else have already replied to this. So ummm, How about those awesome Ironbark shaping skills eh?

[Bad King]

If you did the City Elf Origin in origins then you get an answer to this question more or less. The city elves either think the Dalish are just a story, not real at all. Or they think the Dalish are savages and bandits, and not "true elves" at all.

 

I think it really depends on the individual city elf or city elf community (which are highly diverse). Briala for example was a city elf with a highly idealised view of the Dalish and who revered the creators and there's also that guy who wants to put flowers on his wife's grave in Redcliffe (in DA:I) who looks up to you if you're a Dalish elf. But yeah, there are definitely others (as Pol mentions) who dislike the Dalish and the Dalish Warden's father was killed by a bandit group that included many city elves.

[In Exile]

To be fair, when you've never met one or lived the life yourself, all you have to go off are very biased rumors and hearsay. From a distance, it's all too easy to demonize or romanticize a people. My guess is the more dissatisfied a city elf is with their lot, the more likely they are to see the Dalish as a greater alternative.

 

About whether or not the city elves' acceptance of the Dalish is a retcon, I think, like anything else, city elf opinion of the Dalish depends on which city elf you ask. While many see the Dalish as heathens and savages, others doubt they exist (Soris), some think of them as "happy elves who live in the woods" (like the City Elf Warden's father), others see them as a novelty (like a city elf couple who encounter Velanna in DAA, who're like, "Wow! Honey, come look! A real Dalish!" "What's she doing here, I wonder?"), some see them as "true elves" who would embrace them as lost brothers/sisters and teach them the ancient/forgotten ways, et cetera et cetera.

 

It could also depend on the alienage. The Vhenadal Codex reveals that different alienages take different levels of care with their tree. Some are more devoted to tradition, some have let it decay, others have chopped up the trees that symbolize their heritage for firewood. No great loss. We see that the Kirkwall Alienage just happened to house elves who felt very devoted to their heritage and tradition (they all took great care of their Vhenadahl, and took turns decorating it each day), so it makes sense that they would bow to Marethari when she arrived. (A beautiful moment, if I say so myself.) Other alienages, like the Denerim Alienage? Probably not as likely.

 

It has to depend on the alienage, I think. The extent to which someone might romanticize the Dalish likely depends a lot on the group's experiences in living under human oppression. The greater the oppression, the more one is likely inclined to romanticize the noble savages that are doing all that they can to maintain their freedom and culture in spite of their oppressors. All told, the Denerim alienage seemed to be a lot less horrid than Kirkwall, being largely that Ferelden is the amoral black hole that is the city of Kirkwall.

[KaiserShep]

They Dalish elves are probably less threatened by starvation and disease than the city elves are who live in large slums in which infectious diseases could flourish and where famine (due to war or crop diseases) could cause mass starvation. In fact, they're probably less threatened by these things than most commoners (of any race) in Thedas.

 

I can't help but wonder what it is that the Dalish actually hunt, since they keep halla but only as a hooved, automated Tomtom for their aravels.

[Bad King]

I can't help but wonder what it is that the Dalish actually hunt, since they keep halla but only as a hooved, automated Tomtom for their aravels.

 

It likely varies by location, though I imagine the main animals to be hunted would be whatever species of deer are present in a particular location, supplemented by smaller game.

[Addai]

It has to depend on the alienage, I think. The extent to which someone might romanticize the Dalish likely depends a lot on the group's experiences in living under human oppression. The greater the oppression, the more one is likely inclined to romanticize the noble savages that are doing all that they can to maintain their freedom and culture in spite of their oppressors. All told, the Denerim alienage seemed to be a lot less horrid than Kirkwall, being largely that Ferelden is the amoral black hole that is the city of Kirkwall.

Really? With the raw sewage pouring out onto the streets and the giant rats? It's also literally walled and guarded with gates.

[In Exile]

Really? With the raw sewage pouring out onto the streets and the giant rats? It's also literally walled and guarded with gates.

I'm not saying it isn't horrid (it's why I went with "a lot less" rather than "not"). I'm just saying Kirkwall seems to be (at least lore-wise) even more terrible. Being close enough to darktown that people's lungs might very well burn, with serial klllers floating around unimpinged, a justice system that doesn't even prented to treat elves like people (but rather abuses them instead) and roving gangs of murderous thugs just running around, being just in the alienage seems to be a worse life.

 

And from the sound of the banter, the CEs in Kirkwall have even less job prospects or quality of life than the CEs in Denerim.

[Addai]

I can't help but wonder what it is that the Dalish actually hunt, since they keep halla but only as a hooved, automated Tomtom for their aravels.

Whatever game is available, I'd say. Deer, small game, wolves and bears if they threaten the clan. Cammen needs to kill a wolf to prove he's a full-fledged hunter.

[TEWR]

Whatever game is available, I'd say. Deer, small game, wolves and bears if they threaten the clan. Cammen needs to kill a wolf to prove he's a full-fledged hunter.

 

Yup They hunt deer (a lot of their leather armor is made from deerskin), squirrels, rabbits, wolves, etc.

 

It depends on what's native to the region, really. Bears are probably something they try their best not to go after, one because it might be more danger then it's worth but also because bears are Dirthammen's favored animal.

[Amne YA]

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