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[Elfyoth]

Some people here don't agree with that sentiment for some reason...

I chuckeled I agree. 

[Steelcan]

I disagree, the elves are here to stay, bioware wont create a race with a full history, to wipe it out.

. Why not? It'd be the logical conclusion to their storyline. Elves are always in decline, tragic, etc.. Blame Tolkien if you wish, but its definitely in play in DA

[Elfyoth]

. Why not? It'd be the logical conclusion to their storyline. Elves are always in decline, tragic, etc.. Blame Tolkien if you wish, but its definitely in play in DA

Becousde they wouldnt do that. Why wont they wipe the dwarves out of Thedas? Cuz they are in decline as well. I dont think they will kill them off though. What reason could they have? "A part of the storyline"? I dont belive they would do that. Unless you name one Bioware game, that did such a thing. And imagine the fan reaction if they did such a thing. Pepole will be furios. 

[Elfyoth]

I always figured that this would be a possibility, wether it be with Celene and Briala, Gaspard/Briala, or Gaspard or Celene alone whose friends with an Elven Inquisitor.

Well Briala does become the first Elven Marqiue and of the Dales, so theres that. (Ofc only is she is recolined with Celene) 

[Elfyoth]

The elves were abandoned by their gods they deserve their fate, one race to rule them all. Human over those knife ear twigs.

I am dying from laughing         here!     

[Steelcan]

Becousde they wouldnt do that. Why wont they wipe the dwarves out of Thedas? Cuz they are in decline as well. I dont think they will kill them off though. What reason could they have? "A part of the storyline"? I dont belive they would do that. Unless you name one Bioware game, that did such a thing. And imagine the fan reaction if they did such a thing. Pepole will be furios.

. And I think its very much a possibility. DA's biggest overarching theme seems to me to be "change", I see no reason to think that they won't wipe out the elves or dwarves

[TK514]

If they chose their terrain well (e.g dense woodland lacking permanent settlements or sparsely inhabited mountains and valleys), the Dalish could really punish invading human armies through guerrilla warfare. As they're highly mobile and decentralised, an attacking army would have trouble hitting them where it hurts while simultaneously being harassed by archers/skirmishers and while also running out of supplies.

 

The Emerald Graves would beg to differ.

[Elfyoth]

. And I think its very much a possibility. DA's biggest overarching theme seems to me to be "change", I see no reason to think that they won't wipe out the elves or dwarves

Well I hope that they wont do that. 

[Lady Artifice]

Comparing Tolkien's elves and their role in the narrative seems a bit forced. There are surplus differences between most elegant and admired race in Middle Earth, and the most impoverished and persecuted race of Thedas. There's also a difference between Tolkien's elves choosing to depart and the elves of Thedas somehow being entirely eradicated despite having a population in every nation. 

[Steelcan]

Comparing Tolkien's elves and their role in the narrative seems a bit forced. There are surplus differences between most elegant and admired race in Middle Earth, and the most impoverished and persecuted race of Thedas. There's also a difference between Tolkien's elves choosing to depart and the elves of Thedas somehow being entirely eradicated despite having a population in every nation.

there are still plenty of similarities, particularly the idea of the lost glory and a long defeat

[Assassino01]

Well, if the elves are to get wiped out it will probably be through player choice near the end of the series. Probably accompanied by choices to elevate the elves, or leave the status quo. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I would like to think from the fantasy world prospective and also take into account that apparently the social system in DA games is comparable to Feudalism and not 19, 20 or 21 century social systems real world equivalents. So many of the ideas in this thread (as brilliant as they might be) will not work in that setting.

 

My idea would be to use the eluvians and whatever other elven artifacts were recovered and move to another world or dimension as Morrigan did. With the help of the ancient elves and Solas and the elven mages (Dalish and CE) - rebuild some of the elven might and magic. More developed magical capabilities and technology will allow elves to face the human states on a more equal footing. 

 

I also thought about the purpose of the Solas' orbs that our Inquisitor activated all over Orlais and Ferelden. What if they are not only build to strengthen the veil, but they can open the veil as well? If so, they can be used to open a bridge over the whole continent and then time magic can be used and the past can be changed altogether (Oh, the horror! ).

 

There are so many possibilities in a fantasy setting, but alas the writers will stick to the most mundane.

 

You'd think after 700 years of digging through elven ruins that the Dalish would find some kind of magical artifact that would allow them to even the odds. Oh wait, they did. They found the eluvians. Twice. Both times they ended up losing access to one of them because of some weird decision they made. Oh well, Briala's probably going to put them to better use anyway. 

[Bad King]

The Emerald Graves would beg to differ.

 

I'm referring to present day Dalish (not the sedentary Dalish of the past) who are highly mobile and lack centralised urban settlements. Their entire social, economic and military organisation is completely different to that of their ancestors, so this comparison doesn't work.

[Steelcan]

You'd think after 700 years of digging through elven ruins that the Dalish would find some kind of magical artifact that would allow them to even the odds. Oh wait, they did. They found the eluvians. Twice. Both times they ended up losing access to one of them because of some weird decision they made. Oh well, Briala's probably going to put them to better use anyway. 

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

[ComedicSociopathy]

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

 

Still though, City Elves FTW!

[SerendipitousElf]

 

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

 

Still though, City Elves FTW!

Or the eluvians are kept out of this DA installment for future plot use or DLC .

[Master Warder Z_]

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

Gaspard spoke of them in his letter to Celene

[Hellion Rex]

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

Only the ones that they could find. Theoretically, they could be any mirror's surface. Celene had one sitting in her own Winter Palace and had had no idea until she was sent through it.

 

Speaking of, I had really want to see that mirror while we were in Halamshiral....

[Bad King]

Only the ones that they could find. 

 

Yup, plus the eluvians exist right across Thedas: even if they knew what to look for, most of them lie beyond Orlesian jurisdiction and of those, many are probably still hidden away in forgotten ruins.

 

Since the general trend of DA has been towards the destruction of the things in mankind's way, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point the elves join their ancient brethren in obscurity.

 

I really can't see that happening. DA elves exist within multiple tribes, alienage communities and mage colleges across Thedas, so it's unlikely that they'll die out in any cataclysm involving armies of balrogs or meteoric moons as they're far too spread out and deeply rooted. I guess one of the merits of their current lifestyle is that they're highly diversified and thus less likely to be wiped out in a single blow or even by a decline in numbers. Where one community could be floundering, another could be prospering (relatively speaking).

[Addai]

if she even has them anymore, they aren't brought up at all in DA:I, its likely that Celene and Gaspard ended up destroying them over the course of the war

... We see them in the Crossroads and only a few are destroyed. Briala has the passkey, not Celene and Gaspard.

Morrigan hints that the Crossroads are becoming degraded, however.

[Master Warder Z_]

Of course it all hinges on her not ending up in a ditch somewhere

[Hellion Rex]

... We see them in the Crossroads and only a few are destroyed. Briala has the passkey, not Celene and Gaspard.

Morrigan hints that the Crossroads are becoming degraded, however.

Do remember that she said there are tainted and unusable mirrors in there as well. Plus, do remember that Merrill's mirror was still in there, regardless if she fixed it or shattered it, so just because a mirror looks whole in the Crossroads doesn't mean it's real world counterpart works.

[MisterJB]

The misuse, or lack thereof, of the Eluvians was so stupid.

Corypheus has a bard with access to Briala and yet he will take his whole army to the Arbor Wilds just to secure one.

[Master Warder Z_]

That was kind of ridiculous

[Bad King]

Do remember that she said there are tainted and unusable mirrors in there as well. Plus, do remember that Merrill's mirror was still in there, regardless if she fixed it or shattered it, so just because a mirror looks whole in the Crossroads doesn't mean it's real world counterpart works.

 

There's a mirror like that in the Winter Palace at Halamshiral too, so it could just be BioWare reusing a model: there's no explicit confirmation that the mirror in question is Merrill's mirror.

 

Corypheus has a bard with access to Briala and yet he will take his whole army to the Arbor Wilds just to secure one.

 

Yeah, you'd think that Gaspard's own sister would know about Briala's control of the eluvians. And even when Corypheus does get access to one (as he does in the alternative future) he appears to utterly fail in ascending to godhood with it and resorts to prodding Alexius for more time magic tricks.