Doesn't the Inquisitor gain Mythal's power by drinking from the Well of Sorrows?
They betrayed their descendents by remaining in seclusion for so long. I care nothing for them.
No, you become a servant of Mythal, bound to her for eternity. Based on developer's notes that were datamined from the final scene with Solas and Flemeth, Flemeth apparently has made plans for Morrigan to gain her godhood, despite Solas trying to steal her power.
Doesn't the Inquisitor gain Mythal's power by drinking from the Well of Sorrows?
You weren't chosen by Mythal, you just happened to walk into a pool of magic water that Morrigan can actually understand far better then you. Also, dev notes explained that Flemeth was transferring her godhood to Morrigan through the eluvian while Solas got the raw power. Morrigan was always meant to be the real chosen of Mythal acting as the new Flemeth instead of getting possessed like she thought. You on the other hand... well she clearly doesn't care much about you. Gods can be jerks like that.
They betrayed their descendents by remaining in seclusion for so long. I care nothing for them.
Now that is the correct attitude.
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Doesn't the Inquisitor gain Mythal's power by drinking from the Well of Sorrows?
No. You gain the knowledge of her clergy in a diminished form compared to Morrigan (e.g. she can transform into a dragon like Flemeth with that knowledge, which lore-wise makes sense because she's been prepped to be a vessel for Mythal all her life). In return for that you are subject to a geas binding you to Mythal's will. There's a great deal of power in that knowledge, but it's knowledge first and power second.
At the endgame (in the dev. notes) the apparent implication of the scene is that Flemeth sends her shred of godhood off to Morrigan through the Eluvian. So in that regard, drinking from the Well of Sorrows might well bind your Inquisitor to Morrigan's will.
You weren't chosen by Mythal, you just happened to walk into a pool of magic water that Morrigan can actually understand far better then you. Also, dev notes explained that Flemeth was transferring her godhood to Morrigan through the eluvian while Solas got the raw power. Morrigan was always meant to be the real chosen of Mythal acting as the new Flemeth instead of getting possessed like she thought. You on the other hand... well she clearly doesn't care much about you. Gods can be jerks like that.
Would it be possible to tear this godhood from Morrigan's body?
Now that is the correct attitude.
You know, I'm seriously tempted to just ignore my own orientation for once, romance Solas, and then hope like hell that I can join him in whatever he's planning.
No. You gain the knowledge of her clergy in a diminished form compared to Morrigan (e.g. she can transform into a dragon like Flemeth with that knowledge, which lore-wise makes sense because she's been prepped to be a vessel for Mythal all her life). In return for that you are subject to a geas binding you to Mythal's will. There's a great deal of power in that knowledge, but it's knowledge first and power second.
At the endgame (in the dev. notes) the apparent implication of the scene is that Flemeth sends her shred of godhood off to Morrigan through the Eluvian. So in that regard, drinking from the Well of Sorrows might well bind your Inquisitor to Morrigan's will.
Hellfire. This is why I needed to be a blood mage; I could just take the knowledge from Morrigan's mind after she drank from it. As it is... we, the elves, need this knowledge, and Morrigan is by no means a trustworthy keeper of it. But if the Creators betrayed us, I don't want to be bound to their will. Again, blood magic would have been so useful here.
Would it be possible to tear this godhood from Morrigan's body?
My guess is probably not. From a character standpoint, I don't think Mythal or Flemeth would have bothered with such a risky plan if it wasn't gonna stick.
Would it be possible to tear this godhood from Morrigan's body?
Well, I think it depends on what we all think "godhood" means in-setting. I, for one, don't think that Mythal or any other entity is a "god" in any meaningful metaphysical sense. They're clearly powerful entities, but I'm not even convinced they're something other than elves who have very strongly modified themselves with magic.
But in any event, the practical answer has to be yes. Flemeth clearly removed it in the first place to pass it on to Morrigan. There has to be a way of replicating what she did, even if it is difficult.
Hellfire. This is why I needed to be a blood mage; I could just take the knowledge from Morrigan's mind after she drank from it. As it is... we, the elves, need this knowledge, and Morrigan is by no means a trustworthy keeper of it. But if the Creators betrayed us, I don't want to be bound to their will. Again, blood magic would have been so useful here.
Morrigan is a blood mage herself. I don't think it would be quite so easy to poach and raid her mind. More importantly, it's not entirely clear if that knowledge is in her mind in the traditional sense. You hear voices if you drink from the Well (from what I can tell; I've never made a character who'd drink from the it, as even my Dalish are quite the dissents and otherwise atheist) which suggests the knowledge, while a part of you, isn't in you (or yours) in the traditional sense.
As to the elven gods, from what Solas has to say about them they weren't really much into sheparding the elves when they were around in the first place. Since (IMO) what likely happened was that Solas used his power to raise the veil and separate out the Fade (which had the side effect of nerfing elven magic, locking away the surviving gods (if one subscribes to the theory that Mythal was betrayed before that event), and stripping the elves from their ageless youth, i.e., their quasi-immortality) and this shut out the "gods" from their followers.
I don't think they can be blamed for being outplayed by Solas but, at the same time, I don't think the elves would want them back to be ruled over by them.
Morrigan is a blood mage herself. I don't think it would be quite so easy to poach and raid her mind. More importantly, it's not entirely clear if that knowledge is in her mind in the traditional sense. You hear voices if you drink from the Well (from what I can tell; I've never made a character who'd drink from the it, as even my Dalish are quite the dissents and otherwise atheist) which suggests the knowledge, while a part of you, isn't in you (or yours) in the traditional sense.
As to the elven gods, from what Solas has to say about them they weren't really much into sheparding the elves when they were around in the first place. Since (IMO) what likely happened was that Solas used his power to raise the veil and separate out the Fade (which had the side effect of nerfing elven magic, locking away the surviving gods (if one subscribes to the theory that Mythal was betrayed before that event), and stripping the elves from their ageless youth, i.e., their quasi-immortality) and this shut out the "gods" from their followers.
I don't think they can be blamed for being outplayed by Solas but, at the same time, I don't think the elves would want them back to be ruled over by them.
My own might be verging on atheistic by the end, but is no less dedicated to uplifting the elven people. And... the trouble is still that the knowledge is rightfully mine, but the geas is Morrigan's. I wish there was a way to split them properly.
Well, I think it depends on what we all think "godhood" means in-setting. I, for one, don't think that Mythal or any other entity is a "god" in any meaningful metaphysical sense. They're clearly powerful entities, but I'm not even convinced they're something other than elves who have very strongly modified themselves with magic.
But in any event, the practical answer has to be yes. Flemeth clearly removed it in the first place to pass it on to Morrigan. There has to be a way of replicating what she did, even if it is difficult.
I agree about the concept of godhood. However, Flemeth might have been able to remove her "godhood", but that doesn't necessarily mean it could be replicated by just anyone. I would imagine that you'd a crap ton of power if you wanted to forcibly strip it from Morrigan, if it's even possible. That said, I think Solas could probably force it, or Morrigan could remove it, if she chose to give it up freely.
My own might be verging on atheistic by the end, but is no less dedicated to uplifting the elven people. And... the trouble is still that the knowledge is rightfully mine, but the geas is Morrigan's. I wish there was a way to split them properly.
I don't think you could really split them apart. The knowledge seems to come from the distilled memories of Mythal's guardians, which in turn passes the geas onto you just as it did them.
At the end of the day, I really don't see Morrigan calling on the geas to do anything to you unless you threaten her or Kieran.
I don't think you could really split them apart. The knowledge seems to come from the distilled memories of Mythal's guardians, which in turn passes the geas onto you just as it did them.
At the end of the day, I really don't see Morrigan calling on the geas to do anything to you unless you threaten her or Kieran.
She has one of the most powerful people in southern Thedas under her thumb. If it suits her new plans, she will totally use it.
I don't think you could really split them apart. The knowledge seems to come from the distilled memories of Mythal's guardians, which in turn passes the geas onto you just as it did them.
At the end of the day, I really don't see Morrigan calling on the geas to do anything to you unless you threaten her or Kieran.
But so many experiments could be done with blood magic... we could try, at least. Or we could if time wasn't a factor...
Playing as an elf is horribly frustrating in this damn game.
Would it be possible to tear this godhood from Morrigan's body?
You'd steal the power of a goddess from someone more knowledgeable and deserving then you. Even if that meant destroying one of your Creators carefully constructed plans? That's both scandalous and blasphemous! I think I'd like your Lavellan. Hehe.
You know, I'm seriously tempted to just ignore my own orientation for once, romance Solas, and then hope like hell that I can join him in whatever he's planning.
You'd date someone who lies to throughout your entire relationship, treats your culture like a pathetic caricature of real elven history, refuses to explain why he disproves of some of your actions (seriously Solas just tell someone why killing Archdemons is such a bad idea) and dumps you because he thinks you, the bloody Inquisitor of all people, can't handle the truth of what he is or what his plan is? Oh and don't forget that he's almost singularly responsible for why the elves lost their immortality, magical power and history.
Solas is great guy and all, he's also a great kisser, but the guy doesn't truly treat you like an equal. I think its a god thing.
Hellfire. This is why I needed to be a blood mage; I could just take the knowledge from Morrigan's mind after she drank from it. As it is... we, the elves, need this knowledge, and Morrigan is by no means a trustworthy keeper of it. But if the Creators betrayed us, I don't want to be bound to their will. Again, blood magic would have been so useful here.
Got to agree with you there. Minus the blood magic and the elves only getting the knowledge part. Morrigan doesn't seem to be the type to willingly share world changing knowledge with others out of pure altruism. The information in that Well should shared to everyone, sans evil baddies like Corypheus and Tevinter, of course. It shouldn't be locked up in the mind of a single person using it for possibly malicious purposes.
But so many experiments could be done with blood magic... we could try, at least. Or we could if time wasn't a factor...
Sorry, dear. Maybe next game. Morrigan's long gone lol.
You'd steal the power of a goddess from someone more knowledgeable and deserving then you. Even if that meant destroying one of your Creators carefully constructed plans? That's both scandalous and blasphemous! I think I'd like your Lavellan. Hehe.
We are the last of the Elvhen. Never again shall we submit.
You'd date someone who lies to throughout your entire relationship, treats your culture like a pathetic caricature of real elven history, refuses to explain why he disproves of some of your actions (seriously Solas just tell someone why killing Archdemons is such a bad idea) and dumps you because he thinks you, the bloody Inquisitor of all people, can't handle the truth of what he is or what his plan is? Oh and don't forget that he's almost singularly responsible for why the elves lost their immortality, magical power and history.
Solas is great guy and all, he's also a great kisser, but the guy doesn't truly treat you like an equal. I think its a god thing.
Well, Josephine's romance is horrible and much too sparse, Sera would hate far too much of what I stand for, and Dorian is both not attractive to me and would require me to play a male character... and those are the best alternatives (I've gone with Josephine thus far). There aren't all that many options. And Solas seems to want to at least fix his mistakes.
Got to agree with you there. Minus the blood magic and the elves only getting the knowledge part. Morrigan doesn't seem to be the type to willingly share world changing knowledge with others out of pure altruism. The information in that Well should shared to everyone, sans evil baddies like Corypheus and Tevinter, of course. It shouldn't be locked up in the mind of a single person using it for possibly malicious purposes.
I might share it with Tevinter if it was helpful for fighting the qunari... I don't consider Tevinter to be significantly worse than Orlais. However, before anything else, I would want to help the elves, who've suffered the most.
The information in that Well should shared to everyone, sans evil baddies like Corypheus and Tevinter, of course. It shouldn't be locked up in the mind of a single person using it for possibly malicious purposes.
I disagree entirely. That level of knowledge should be told to no one, except for those that were there at the Well with you. I trust Morrigan to keep those secrets locked up tight. Further, while we got one little snippet of knowledge in game, who the hell else knows what kind of magic is in that Well? The elves were the most powerful creatures in existence till they got whacked. Dimensional teleportation, artificial life, the list goes on and on. That knowledge is extremely dangerous and needs to be guarded heavily.
I might share it with Tevinter if it was helpful for fighting the qunari... I don't consider Tevinter to be significantly worse than Orlais.
You must be out of your goddamned mind. Giving it to the elves is one thing, but giving to effing Tevinter? You would literally be sending all of Thedas to hell in a handbasket.
You must be out of your goddamned mind. Giving it to the elves is one thing, but giving to effing Tevinter? You would literally be sending all of Thedas to hell in a handbasket.
Well, ideally, it would just send the qunari to Hell. After that... well, I would try to only give it in snippets, nothing that would enable them to conquer everywhere instantaneously.
It also just occurred to me: we should totally have gotten to say the last part of the Oath of the Dales as our pre-mortem one-liner to Corypheus.
You'd date someone who lies to throughout your entire relationship, treats your culture like a pathetic caricature of real elven history, refuses to explain why he disproves of some of your actions (seriously Solas just tell someone why killing Archdemons is such a bad idea) and dumps you because he thinks you, the bloody Inquisitor of all people, can't handle the truth of what he is or what his plan is?
I interpreted the dumping as more of a "I must do this alone" thing than thinking the Inquisitor couldn't handle it.
And in all honesty, I too would have trouble taking seriously a culture I knew was based largely off gross misinterpretation.
Well, ideally, it would just send the qunari to Hell.
Fine....you may give them one new fire spell, and that's all. 
Well, ideally, it would just send the qunari to Hell. After that... well, I would try to only give it in snippets, nothing that would enable them to conquer everywhere instantaneously.
It also just occurred to me: we should totally have gotten to say the last part of the Oath of the Dales as our pre-mortem one-liner to Corypheus.
You know...that would have been kind of cool. I mean, I got to play my "The Maker works through me" line towards Cory.
You must be out of your goddamned mind. Giving it to the elves is one thing, but giving to effing Tevinter? You would literally be sending all of Thedas to hell in a handbasket.
Give her some slack. Maybe Dorian and Mae might actually manage to turn Tevinter around...
And maybe Sera might turn out to be elven goddess that decides to takeover the world and put surface dwarves, Tal-Vasoth, City elves, Dalish elves, the human peasantry and people with actual merit in charge of everything.
We can dream can't we? 
You'd date someone who lies to throughout your entire relationship, treats your culture like a pathetic caricature of real elven history, refuses to explain why he disproves of some of your actions (seriously Solas just tell someone why killing Archdemons is such a bad idea) and dumps you because he thinks you, the bloody Inquisitor of all people, can't handle the truth of what he is or what his plan is? Oh and don't forget that he's almost singularly responsible for why the elves lost their immortality, magical power and history.
And he gave the orb to Cory as well, fully knowing what would probably happen. Don't forget that part.
You know...that would have been kind of cool. I mean, I got to play my "The Maker works through me" line towards Cory.
And that line was complete bullshit, even. Stupid human favoritism. The main reason I'm seriously considering having my canon Inquisitor be qunari is that there's no option to do a hell of a lot of things that I want to do with an elf.
Give her some slack. Maybe Dorian and Mae might actually mange to turn Tevinter around...
And maybe Sera might turn out to be elven goddess that decides to takeover the world and put surface dwarves, Tal-Vasoth, City elves, Dalish elves and the human peasantry in charge of everything.
We can dream can't we?
Human peasantry? Those are the same people who habitually lynch mages. Preferably not, at least not right away.
Give her some slack. Maybe Dorian and Mae might actually mange to turn Tevinter around...
Right...give a trigger happy Magisterium a new toy to try on the Qunari...
And that line was complete bullshit, even. Stupid human favoritism. The main reason I'm seriously considering having my canon Inquisitor be qunari is that there's no option to do a hell of a lot of things that I want to do with an elf.
I wouldn't call it BS. I'd simply call it heavily uneven.
I wouldn't call it BS. I'd simply call it heavily uneven.
I'm going to keep calling it the first one. In large part because the Maker doesn't exist, or at least doesn't exist for all practical purposes, but also because of the human favoritism.
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