I'm going to keep calling it the first one. In large part because the Maker doesn't exist, or at least doesn't exist for all practical purposes, but also because of the human favoritism.
Blasphemer! He exists and He hath graced us with His light!
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#1051
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:25
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#1052
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:25
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The hell am I reading...
Killing Morrigan? Stealing her Eluvian? Ripping her mind apart to get at knowledge?
Killing Morrigan? Stealing her Eluvian? Ripping her mind apart to get at knowledge?
#1053
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:26
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The hell am I reading...
Killing Morrigan? Stealing her Eluvian? Ripping her mind apart to get at knowledge?
Point is, we were not given and probably will not be given such options, in regards to Morrigan. Perhaps we let this particular tangent die, Steel?
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:27
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The hell am I reading...
Killing Morrigan? Stealing her Eluvian? Ripping her mind apart to get at knowledge?
I believe in the Dalish quest for knowledge. I'm willing to go as far as necessary. Or would be if the game allowed it. Bah.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:27
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are you asking me to pass up an argument?!Point is, we were not given and probably will not be given such options, in regards to Morrigan. Perhaps we let this particular tangent die, Steel?
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#1056
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:28
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And he gave the orb to Cory as well, fully knowing what would probably happen. Don't forget that part.
Thanks you for reminding me about that one. Oh Solas, even you can't resist the Idiot Ball.
Human peasantry? Those are the same people who habitually lynch mages. Preferably not, at least not right away.
Some of those peasantry also hide mages from rampaging helm-polishers. Remember, the mage underground in Kirkwall? Besides the lovely goddess of sacrifice will sort them all out.
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#1057
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:28
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are you asking me to pass up an argument?!
Yes, please. For the sake of my sanity. I'm really not in the mood for a balls to the wall throw down tonight.
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#1058
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:31
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The hell am I reading...
Killing Morrigan? Stealing her Eluvian? Ripping her mind apart to get at knowledge?
Dude, you've missed an amazing party. The twists and turns this thread goes is a wondrous sight to behold. I suggest you ready your popcorn and enjoy the fun.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:31
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Yes, please. For the sake of my sanity. I'm really not in the mood for a balls to the wall throw down tonight.
*grumbles*
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:31
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Thanks you for reminding me about that one. Oh Solas, even you can't resist the Idiot Ball.
Can't wait to hear his reasoning on that one.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:32
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my guess is that he needed a being of sufficient power to unlock the orb since he was weakCan't wait to hear his reasoning on that one.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:33
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Can't wait to hear his reasoning on that one.
Solas: Hey, if you can't trust an ancient darkspawn magister, who can you trust?
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:34
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*grumbles*
Yes, please. For the sake of my sanity. I'm really not in the mood for a balls to the wall throw down tonight.
Oh come on now, don't let the funny times end. 
#1065
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:37
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Oh come on now, don't let the funny times end.
Well, I'm entirely willing to continue.
And, on a slightly random note, am pretty sure how being a blood mage could be mechanically handled in Inquisition, even with the sustain mechanic being removed. Just have your spells be able to channel from your health when your mana is depleted. Once that's done, the rest of the blood magic spells could just be put in place normally. The focus spell, obviously, would be summoning demons.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:37
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my guess is that he needed a being of sufficient power to unlock the orb since he was weak
And I guess he couldn't be troubled to find someone that wasn't a lunatic, a darkspawn, and a magister of old Tevinter? Because Corypheus by himself isn't so uniquely powerful...
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:38
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And I guess he couldn't be troubled to find someone that wasn't a lunatic, a darkspawn, and a magister of old Tevinter? Because Corypheus by himself isn't so uniquely powerful...
On top of that, there's no way in hell Solas could have not known exactly who he was, even if Cory was wearing his Larius/Janeka get up at the time.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:39
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. He's a damn bit more powerful than anyone else walking around Thedas besides Flemeth and KeiranAnd I guess he couldn't be troubled to find someone that wasn't a lunatic, a darkspawn, and a magister of old Tevinter? Because Corypheus by himself isn't so uniquely powerful...
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I'd say it has relevance to all of Thedas and should be used to the mutual benefit of everyone willing to share it peacefully. The Inquisition is in a lot ways an alliance of several races after all and I'd think that offering much amazing technology to just the Dalish would likely lead to a lot of bad blood and eventually conflict.
All things being equal, I might agree. But it's not equal. Elves get a raw deal in Thedas. Humans by and large control most of the land, resources, wealth, and power, while elves get whatever scraps humans throw at them. That's not to say there aren't any poor humans, but elves suffer disproportionately more prejudice and poverty than average humans and don't have as many opportunities or escape hatches. Elves don't have any land or nations of their own since humans took it, don't have wealth or titles since humans keep elves financially dependent on them as servants and laborers (and tend to react violently when elves try to rise too high in human society), and they don't get to enjoy some poverty escape hatches like joining the army or Chantry if peasant life isn't treating them well. (Again, many poor human farm boys and girls have been shown to join the army, priesthood, or even Templar Order, while poor elves seem to be SOL.)
Yet, the second something beneficial of the elves is discovered (ancient magics, techologies, etc), the elves should give up what little they have to people who by and large already have more than them?
Actually, the ancient elves were the ones who destroyed themselves and ripped the eluvians from their own hands. A growing Tevinter probably didn't help, but Abelas and Morrigan ultimately point the blame to the elves themselves.
Hehe. Silly suicidal ancient elves. Their some much fun.
Bolded: What? What sense does that make?
Also, nice double-standard. When something positive or beneficial is discovered of the elves (like Eluvian technology), it doesn't belong to them, it belongs to everyone. But when something negative or destructive is revealed of the elves (the destruction of Arlathan), you choose to believe that the blame belongs only to them. Everything positive associated with elves? It's everyone's! Everything negative associated with elves? No, it's all theirs, not anyone else's.
I thought the ancient elves merely weakened themselves before being destroyed and enslaved by Tevinter. The armies of former elven slaves that followed Shartan had to come from somewhere.
I agree. That's the impression I got.
It's not too different from Loghain being concerned that Orlais would "take advantage of [Ferelden's] weakened state" in DAO, and nearly tore the country apart trying to show the world (ironically) Ferelden was strong and united enough to fight off Orlais had they attempted another invasion and conquer. It's also not too different from Andraste taking advantage of Tevinter's weakened state after the first Blights, and uniting the elven slaves and barbarian tribes against them to take back the Southern territories. (And might have conquered the North had her husband not betrayed her.) The only difference was that Tevinter and Ferelden were saved from complete conquer/annihilation at the last minute by outside forces (the Warden saved Ferelden and Mafarath betrayed Andraste to Tevinter), while no one was there to save Elvhenan.
So, I wouldn't act so smug and superior about Elvhenan falling. What happened to them could just as easily have happened to Tevinter and Ferelden at certain points in their history had things played out slightly differently.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:40
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Well, I'm entirely willing to continue.
And, on a slightly random note, am pretty sure how being a blood mage could be mechanically handled in Inquisition, even with the sustain mechanic being removed. Just have your spells be able to channel from your health when your mana is depleted. Once that's done, the rest of the blood magic spells could just be put in place normally. The focus spell, obviously, would be summoning demons.
mana regens so fast it'd be pointless, plus no manual allocation of points to get constitution up
*ack damn my phone*
*gets on computer*
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:41
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manager regents so fast it'd be pointless, plus no manual allocation of points to get constitution up
No matter. The health allocation can be balanced properly. It may be slightly pointless, but all the cool fluff and other spells would more than make up for it.
#1072
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:42
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*snip*
its posts like these that make me wish you and Lob didn't block me
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:43
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Well, I'm entirely willing to continue.
And, on a slightly random note, am pretty sure how being a blood mage could be mechanically handled in Inquisition, even with the sustain mechanic being removed. Just have your spells be able to channel from your health when your mana is depleted. Once that's done, the rest of the blood magic spells could just be put in place normally. The focus spell, obviously, would be summoning demons.
I don't think the problem was ever mechanical in nature, but thematic. Necromancy raises a few eyebrows, but blood magic won't be tolerated by most of the companions, Herald or no. Cullen, Cassandra, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne and maybe Cole, won't tolerate its use.
Cullen, Cassandra, Sera and Vivienne will probably try to detain or kill you.
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Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:44
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I don't think the problem was ever mechanical in nature, but thematic. Necromancy raises a few eyebrows, but blood magic won't be tolerated by most of the companions, Herald or no. Cullen, Cassandra, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne and maybe Cole, won't tolerate its use.
Oh, they'd tolerate it. I'm sure there'd be Disapproves (Blackwall, Sera, Cole) and Greatly Disapproves (Cassandra, Iron Bull, Vivienne), but they wouldn't turn on you for it. The Inquisitor's too useful, and creating a scandal around this would devastate the Inquisition; it's in everyone's best interest that this be kept a secret.
#1075
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:46
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Oh, they'd tolerate it. I'm sure there'd be Disapproves (Blackwall, Sera, Cole) and Greatly Disapproves (Cassandra, Iron Bull, Vivienne), but they wouldn't turn on you for it. The Inquisitor's too useful, and creating a scandal around this would devastate the Inquisition; it's in everyone's best interest that this be kept a secret.
Yes, lets trust the ex Templars, Seekers, and Circle mages to keep quiet about the biggest taboo in Andrastian societies......
