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[ComedicSociopathy]

I haven't been called that in a while, not since Wulfie graced this forum with his presence...

 

course he added numerous other adjectives

 

Happy to bring back good memories. 

[Master Warder Z_]

What a horrible usage of the Eluvians. They should be use to spread the glory of Tevinter to the whole of Thedas again.

No.

[Steelcan]

Happy to bring back good memories. 

insults are usually so bland after being called a robot murdering genocide fetishist afraid of progress and advancement

 

it really takes the cake

[Master Warder Z_]

insults are usually so bland after being called a robot murdering genocide fetishist afraid of progress and advancement

it really takes the cake

Ah the innocence of youth

[Hellion Rex]

I'm off to bed, ladies and gentlemen. I bid you all, adieu. I had a fun discussion with y'all.

[Heimdall]

because he's capable of surviving it I imagine

And creating the Breach as well?  Sure, he might be able to seal it with his full power (then again Corypheus couldn't when he had the orb, as indicated in the mage questline), but I have my doubt about his survival of the initial event.

 

Certainly, Mythal's situation suggests he could find another host, but that's no easy task and requires a host willing to accept the Dread Wolf into their souls.  Not easy to find.

[Steelcan]

And creating the Breach as well?  Sure, he might be able to seal it with his full power (then again Corypheus couldn't when he had the orb, as indicated in the mage questline), but I have my doubt about his survival of the initial event.

 

Certainly, Mythal's situation suggests he could find another host, but that's no easy task and requires a host willing to accept the Dread Wolf into their souls.  Not easy to find.

he might not have survived in that form from the blast, but he could have just body hopped.

 

I doubt it'd be too difficult for a trickster God

[Heimdall]

he might not have survived in that form from the blast, but he could have just body hopped.

 

I doubt it'd be too difficult for a trickster God

I just have my doubts about his plan being to blow himself up to regain his power.

 

That, and Corypheus confirms that the Anchor was his doing, "What you flail at rifts, I crafted to assault the very heavens." and claims that the Inquistor stole the purpose of the ritual.  If the Anchor was something he made, then it wasn't part of the orb's unlocked power.  If it was the purpose of the ritual, then the ritual wasn't to unlock the orb.

[Steelcan]

I just have my doubts about his plan being to blow himself up to regain his power.

 

That, and Corypheus confirms that the Anchor was his doing, "What you flail at rifts, I crafted to assault the very heavens." and claims that the Inquistor stole the purpose of the ritual.  If the Anchor was something he made, then it wasn't part of the orb's unlocked power.  If it was the purpose of the ritual, then the ritual wasn't to unlock the orb.

unlocking the Orb may result in the creation of the Anchor

[Heimdall]

unlocking the Orb may result in the creation of the Anchor

But he "crafted" it, it was something he designed.  Unless the ritual was an exercise in multitasking, I don't think he was doing both.

[RobRam10]

No.

Yes!

[Sifr]

But he "crafted" it, it was something he designed.  Unless the ritual was an exercise in multitasking, I don't think he was doing both.

 

But Abelas comments that the Anchor and it's magic are familar to him, implying that they had similar forms of magic in Elvhenan, millennia before Corypheus was a gleam in the milkman's eye... so while he could  have crafted the Anchor, it could easily just be that he stumbled upon it while he was working out how to unlock the Orb and decided to claimed credit for it himself, as all Tevinters do when they find something awesome that was made by the Ancient Elves?

[Heimdall]

But Abelas comments that the Anchor and it's magic are familar to him, implying that they had similar forms of magic in Elvhenan, millennia before Corypheus was a gleam in the milkman's eye... so while he could have crafted the Anchor, could easily just be that he stumbled upon it while he was working out how to unlock the Orb and decided to claimed credit for it himself, as all Tevinters do when they find something Elven?

The fact that much of Tevinter's magic is based on elven magic actually supports the idea that he could have created it himself with the power of the orb.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes!

No.

[Sifr]

The fact that much of Tevinter's magic is based on elven magic actually supports the idea that he could have created it himself with the power of the orb.

 

Yeah familiarity with something doesn't mean he came up with it? He could be the Tevinter equivalent of Steve Jobs, stealing credit for other's work as his own ideas and innovations, when in reality he's just a smart guy who knows how to operate the tech?

 

Not that Steve Jobs stole credit for everything and didn't have his own ideas, but it's a very similar case of a brilliant man with a bit of an ego, who was occasionally guility of letting it run away with itself?

[Heimdall]

Yeah familiarity with something doesn't mean he came up with it? He could be the Tevinter equivalent of Steve Jobs, stealing credit for other's work as his own ideas and innovations, when in reality he's just a smart guy who knows how to operate the tech?

He's breached the veil before, the idea that he could come up with a tool that can manipulate similar rifts with some additional knowledge and enough power isn't far fetched.

[Sifr]

He's breached the veil before, the idea that he could come up with a tool that can manipulate similar rifts with some additional knowledge and enough power isn't far fetched.

 

But we have no idea how he came up with it the first time? Nor why he couldn't have done it again the same way as before, since it obviously worked?

 

He has a lot of resources, manpower and has infilitrated enough places that he could have made such an attempt... and likely the stories of it requiring half the lyrium and blood sacrifices in the Empire were inflated by later generations to prevent others from attempting such a feat?

 

Corypheus' chosen alias after all simply means "Leader of the Choir", which even if he is admittedly highly intelligent and adept with magic, might be a sign that he was just the leader and the one who put the band together, rather than the brains behind it? Personally, I reckon the guy who came up with the actual ritual a thousand years ago was likely the Architect, who's moniker and his characterisation in both "The Calling" and Awakening definitely make him come across as a mad scientist?

 

While Corypheus could have come up with the Anchor on his own, it could have been something the Orb was already capable of? Sure, Solas claims that he had no idea about the Anchor and how he was barely able to stop it from killing the Inquisitor, but at the same time, we know he's lying to us about quite a bit and the Orb was his to begin with?

 

So, I'm going to say that I think either Corypheus or Solas lied about the Anchor's origins, or both were lying? But who was lying more than the other, I still can't really say?

 

[Heimdall]

But we have no idea how he came up with it the first time? Nor why he couldn't have done it again the same way as before, since it obviously worked?

 

He has a lot of resources, manpower and has infilitrated enough places that he could have made such an attempt... and likely the stories of it requiring half the lyrium and blood sacrifices in the Empire were inflated by later generations to prevent others from attempting such a feat?

 

Corypheus' chosen alias after all simply means "Leader of the Choir", which even if he is admittedly highly intelligent and adept with magic, might be a sign that he was just the leader and the one who put the band together, rather than the brains behind it? Personally, I reckon the guy who came up with the actual ritual a thousand years ago was likely the Architect, who's moniker and his characterisation in both "The Calling" and Awakening definitely make him come across as a mad scientist?

 

While Corypheus could have come up with the Anchor on his own, it could have been something the Orb was already capable of? Sure, Solas claims that he had no idea about the Anchor and how he was barely able to stop it from killing the Inquisitor, but at the same time, we know he's lying to us about quite a bit and the Orb was his to begin with?

 

So, I'm going to say that I think either Corypheus or Solas lied about the Anchor's origins, or both were lying? But who was lying more than the other, I still can't really say?

 

I just think that, to lead the ritual in question he would have required a considerable understanding of its workings even if he wasn't the one who designed it.  However, memories in the Fade indicate a specific artifact called the claw of Dumat (I think) was used in the first ritual.  Maybe he couldn't get his hands on it or he simply couldn't match the resources seven magisters/high priests were able to gather at the height of the Imperium.  Or maybe there's something to the idea that the Anchor makes it safe to enter the Fade physically, where the previous ritual had aweful side effects.  Then again, it might just be that the previous ritual requires seven mages of considerable power to participate and enter the Fade together, and his ego won't allow him to train mages that could become equals.

 

I dunno...  But he claims the ritual took years of planning.  Was that because he was designing the anchor or because it took him that long to pick out his human sacrifice?

[Sifr]

The Claws of Dumat was one of the things that made me think the story of it requiring so much blood and lyrium was added later on, since the memory of the slave writing the note suggests that Corypheus was sacrificing just his own slaves in preparation, which even if he had a ton and the other Seven were doing this as well to their own slaves, seems far less than half the Imperium being sacrificed that we've been told?

 

Yeah, could be that the Claws of Dumat were destroyed (or confiscated and thrown into Thedas' equivalent of a government warehouse) at some point after the First Blight, to prevent such a thing from happening ever again? Corpyheus using the Orb as a substitute and easier means to achieve the same goal would seem an attractive prospect for him, since it requires far less prep work and I agree, he doesn't seem the type to want any kind of rivals?

 

I reckon it took him that long to get enough of a foothold in the various factions, figure out the Orb and/or create the Anchor, as well as a prime location? The Temple of Sacred Ashes is perfect for that, since it has a ton of lyrium underneath that he can draw from for extra power, while also making a huge statement about his intention to overthrow the Chantry? Having the Divine decide to hold a Conclave there was just a lucky coincidence that he took advantage of?

[Heimdall]

I got the same from that Claw of Dumat codex.

 

I think there was a little bit of a retcon or the southern Chantry stories are just that different.  Previously it was made out to be a massive undertaking that required half the Empire's Lyrium, but in Inquisition we find that it was a much smaller clandestine operation between a handful of priests, an operation the Imperial chantry has swept under the rug entirely, which I don't think they could have done if there was such human sacrifice on a massive scale.

 

It must have been quite a windfall for him when Solas dropped the Orb into his lap.  I mean, who knows where the Claws of Dumat have ended up over a thousand years, even if they weren't destroyed?  He could have spent decades searching for it.  He apparently spent time looking for his compatriots and maybe he would have accepted them as equals, but once he got on the god track...

 

The Temple of Sacred Ashes was perfect, concentrated lyrium (Though I'm still not certain where the red lyrium came from afterwards), and it no doubt appealed to his vanity to use the Divine to fuel his ascension in the tomb of her prophet.  Same reason he put part of himself in a dragon, to mock and emulate the old gods.  The site would have appealed to him even without the conclave for symbolic and practical reasons.  

[Assassino01]

The Claws of Dumat was one of the things that made me think the story of it requiring so much blood and lyrium was added later on, since the memory of the slave writing the note suggests that Corypheus was sacrificing just his own slaves in preparation, which even if he had a ton and the other Seven were doing this as well to their own slaves, seems far less than half the Imperium being sacrificed that we've been told?

 

Yeah, could be that the Claws of Dumat were destroyed (or confiscated and thrown into Thedas' equivalent of a government warehouse) at some point after the First Blight, to prevent such a thing from happening ever again? Corpyheus using the Orb as a substitute and easier means to achieve the same goal would seem an attractive prospect for him, since it requires far less prep work and I agree, he doesn't seem the type to want any kind of rivals?

 

I reckon it took him that long to get enough of a foothold in the various factions, figure out the Orb and/or create the Anchor, as well as a prime location? The Temple of Sacred Ashes is perfect for that, since it has a ton of lyrium underneath that he can draw from for extra power, while also making a huge statement about his intention to overthrow the Chantry? Having the Divine decide to hold a Conclave there was just a lucky coincidence that he took advantage of?

 

From what I remember from lore hundreds of slaves were sacrificed, and 2/3 of the Imperium's lyrium was consumed in the ritual. 

[MisterJB]

For the record, there were elven soldiers at Ostagar and they were just as poorly equipped as every other rank and file.

 

Where is your +10 Spirit Resistance plate armour? Do you intend to fight Emissaries with that?

Peasants, am I right?

[TEWR]

Seriously? How come I never saw those guys in my game? PS3 version I could understand, because a lot of stuff was removed from there, but my PC version didn't show them.

 

*grumbles*

[Elfyoth]

For the record, there were elven soldiers at Ostagar and they were just as poorly equipped as every other rank and file.

 

Where is your +10 Spirit Resistance plate armour? Do you intend to fight Emissaries with that?

Peasants, am I right?

They were forced to go there right? I mean, they went to the army, to fight the bloody darkspawn and got  what in return? Getting away from the slums? Alllowing them to leave the Alienage at night? 

[Maria13]

Damn, good point. Maybe whatever he actually "did" caused a simultaneous attack on all the major elven technologies and magical devices. Though, I'm still trying to figure out where he got all this power. I will grant that the elven gods were very strong, but how could he do this all by himself?

 

This is all speculation, of course, but I doubt he did it alone, perhaps some of the other 'gods' where helping him, Mythal springs to mind, perhaps the forgotten ones... Yes, Solas is the one who appears now but that doesn't mean to say it was solely his doing...