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[MisterJB]

I imagine they're being paid a salary like every other soldier.

Plus, the Darkspawn won't discriminate if they win.

[Master Warder Z_]

They were forced to go there right? I mean, they went to the army, to fight the bloody darkspawn and got what in return? Getting away from the slums? Alllowing them to leave the Alienage at night?

Really?

[Master Warder Z_]

I imagine they're being paid a salary like every other soldier.
Plus, the Darkspawn won't discriminate if they win.

It wouldn't matter if they were literal slaves.

Everyone should fight against Darkspawn.

You figure the prior blights would install that notion.

[SgtSteel91]

The Fourth Blight was, like, 400 years ago at the time of Origins

[Elfyoth]

The Elves for one dont do terrorism, Why would they need Alienages? I mean if they'd have done terror in the streets (No they dont do it) Why keep them there? Why lock them at nights? Why? 

 

*Sigh* but I suppouse the same could have been asked about the medival jews. 

[Master Warder Z_]

The Fourth Blight was, like, 400 years ago at the time of Origins

And even peasants know the stories of how bad **** got during the first blight, romanticized chantry legend sure but it covered the fact it decimated the known world.

[FiveThreeTen]

But we have no idea how he came up with it the first time? Nor why he couldn't have done it again the same way as before, since it obviously worked?

 

He has a lot of resources, manpower and has infilitrated enough places that he could have made such an attempt... and likely the stories of it requiring half the lyrium and blood sacrifices in the Empire were inflated by later generations to prevent others from attempting such a feat?

 

Corypheus' chosen alias after all simply means "Leader of the Choir", which even if he is admittedly highly intelligent and adept with magic, might be a sign that he was just the leader and the one who put the band together, rather than the brains behind it? Personally, I reckon the guy who came up with the actual ritual a thousand years ago was likely the Architect, who's moniker and his characterisation in both "The Calling" and Awakening definitely make him come across as a mad scientist?

 

While Corypheus could have come up with the Anchor on his own, it could have been something the Orb was already capable of? Sure, Solas claims that he had no idea about the Anchor and how he was barely able to stop it from killing the Inquisitor, but at the same time, we know he's lying to us about quite a bit and the Orb was his to begin with?

 

So, I'm going to say that I think either Corypheus or Solas lied about the Anchor's origins, or both were lying? But who was lying more than the other, I still can't really say?

 

 

The Claws of Dumat was one of the things that made me think the story of it requiring so much blood and lyrium was added later on, since the memory of the slave writing the note suggests that Corypheus was sacrificing just his own slaves in preparation, which even if he had a ton and the other Seven were doing this as well to their own slaves, seems far less than half the Imperium being sacrificed that we've been told?

 

Yeah, could be that the Claws of Dumat were destroyed (or confiscated and thrown into Thedas' equivalent of a government warehouse) at some point after the First Blight, to prevent such a thing from happening ever again? Corpyheus using the Orb as a substitute and easier means to achieve the same goal would seem an attractive prospect for him, since it requires far less prep work and I agree, he doesn't seem the type to want any kind of rivals?

 

I reckon it took him that long to get enough of a foothold in the various factions, figure out the Orb and/or create the Anchor, as well as a prime location? The Temple of Sacred Ashes is perfect for that, since it has a ton of lyrium underneath that he can draw from for extra power, while also making a huge statement about his intention to overthrow the Chantry? Having the Divine decide to hold a Conclave there was just a lucky coincidence that he took advantage of?

 

? indeed

[dragonflight288]

This post was a few pages back, but while reading and playing catch up, I caught it and felt the need to respond. 

 

 

tranquilize him.  the Anchor is independent of magical ability so it would be possible

 

 

Is it even possible to tranquilize the Inquisitor at this point since the cure for tranquility is contact with something from the Fade like a spirit and the Inquisitor has a mark on his/her hand that gives a permanent connection to it?

[dragonflight288]

I agree. If the Orb was turned on, then Cory could have already just stepped across the Veil, no?

 

I don't really think it turned on until when he was draining Justinia. And by the time she knocked it out of his hands, it was charged, and then we picked it up, thus granting us the Anchor.

 

The orb, as Solas says, is a foci meant to increase magical ability. 

 

I think that Corypheus used his knowledge of previously entering the fade and the elven orb as a focus instead of lyrium and hundreds of slaves blood to power the spell and create the anchor, and I think he was planning on using the Divine as the sacrifice as a symbol of his own power and ascent to "glory." The fall of the very face of the Maker in Southern Thedas to highlight the ascent of a new god. 

 

I think that's why he went to the conclave. Because of that and that every high ranking member of the Chantry was also there. 

[LOLandStuff]

This is all speculation, of course, but I doubt he did it alone, perhaps some of the other 'gods' where helping him, Mythal springs to mind, perhaps the forgotten ones... Yes, Solas is the one who appears now but that doesn't mean to say it was solely his doing...

 

I got the impression Mythal died before the Creators got imprisoned. Perhaps that's why Solas did it. And I agree with you that he might've not done it alone. That's a lot of gods to imprison for just one guy.

 

I also don't believe him to be this trickster god the elves think he is. Each time he set his mind on something big, it failed miserably and backfired horribly.

[LOLandStuff]

The orb, as Solas says, is a foci meant to increase magical ability. 

 

I think that Corypheus used his knowledge of previously entering the fade and the elven orb as a focus instead of lyrium and hundreds of slaves blood to power the spell and create the anchor, and I think he was planning on using the Divine as the sacrifice as a symbol of his own power and ascent to "glory." The fall of the very face of the Maker in Southern Thedas to highlight the ascent of a new god. 

 

I think that's why he went to the conclave. Because of that and that every high ranking member of the Chantry was also there. 

 

There were many people at the conclave. Who knows how many actually died besides those from the Chantry. And underneath the Temple there's a lot of lyrium. Oghren mentions that if you take him with you.

Maybe he still needed to perform the same ritual with the orb in order to get the Anchor.

[dragonflight288]

There were many people at the conclave. Who knows how many actually died besides those from the Chantry. And underneath the Temple there's a lot of lyrium. Oghren mentions that if you take him with you.

Maybe he still needed to perform the same ritual with the orb in order to get the Anchor.

 

It's possible. I feel like saying in a Leliana voice "pure speculation," but it is possible. 

 

What we do know is that Corypheus used some Grey Wardens to seize the Divine, used the orb and was seemingly absorbing her essence and our inquisitor interrupted the ritual and grabbed the orb at the key moment. And then there was a huge explosion that tore a hole in the veil and created the breach. 

[Maria13]

 

I also don't believe him to be this trickster god the elves think he is. Each time he set his mind on something big, it failed miserably and backfired horribly.

 

We really don't know enough to be in a position to make that assertion...  but if you think you have some specific, reliable evidence, I'm all ears...

[Red of Rivia]

We really don't know enough to be in a position to make that assertion...  but if you think you have some specific, reliable evidence, I'm all ears...

He does not believe in gods and is frustrated, likely he is just an immortal elf or something.

[LOLandStuff]

We really don't know enough to be in a position to make that assertion...  but if you think you have some specific, reliable evidence, I'm all ears...

 

I'm speculating for the sake of it.

 

But since his plans always ended in disaster, it's pretty hard for me to think otherwise. Not to mention the Dalish got some of their gods wrong. As with the vallaslin, makes me think if there isn't more to them than just slave markings.

What if the gods could control you through them since they are made of blood? That would sort of suck.

[Bad King]

The Elves for one dont do terrorism, Why would they need Alienages? I mean if they'd have done terror in the streets (No they dont do it) Why keep them there? Why lock them at nights? Why? 

 

*Sigh* but I suppouse the same could have been asked about the medival jews. 

 

If I recall correctly, elves aren't bound by law to remain in Alienages but most choose to live there to avoid racism and to maintain aspects of elven culture. From the codex entry on Alienage culture:

 

But don't be so anxious to start tearing down the walls and picking fights with the guards. They keep out more than they keep in. We don't have to live here, you know. Sometimes a family gets a good break, and they buy a house in the docks, or the outskirts of town. If they're lucky, they come back to the alienage after the looters have burned their house down. The unlucky ones just go to the paupers' field. Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there, they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere.

 

--Sarethia, hahren of the Highever alienage

[Elfyoth]

 

If I recall correctly, elves aren't bound by law to remain in Alienages but most choose to live there to avoid racism and to maintain aspects of elven culture. From the codex entry on Alienage culture:

 

 

 

 

Oh so they are defintly based on medival jews. The jews went to the ghettos in the middle ages to avoid racism. 

[Qun00]

I swear, this moment is so much more touching when you play as an elf.

[TK514]

This post was a few pages back, but while reading and playing catch up, I caught it and felt the need to respond. 

 

 

 

 

Is it even possible to tranquilize the Inquisitor at this point since the cure for tranquility is contact with something from the Fade like a spirit and the Inquisitor has a mark on his/her hand that gives a permanent connection to it?

 

I'm curious how true this is, in any way that's relevant to Tranquility.  I mean, if the Inquisitor were always connected to the Fade in some way that would cure Tranquility, wouldn't that make them some kind of Super Mage who never ran out of Mana or needed Lyrium?  All their spells would go off like a nova from raw power.  And yet, no one comments on how they're anything more than just a mage with a portal gun.

 

Even just being near Spirits/Demons doesn't seem to be enough, judging from Owan from Broken Circle, though Anders clearly did something that had a temporary effect on Karl.  It's...inconclusive.  Now I can see how going directly to the Fade might cure it, but they would have to make a point of doing that, rather than just using it to close Rifts, and even then it might just be Temporary, like Karl.  They would, seemingly, still have to be temporarily possessed for it to stick.

[TEWR]

I swear, this moment is so much more touching when you play as an elf.

 

 

I found it to be kinda corny. And definitely creepy.

[Hellion Rex]

I found it to be kinda corny. And definitely creepy.

Yeah. It was hella corny. If that was me, the last thing I'd be thinking about is singing a damn song in the cold.

[Qun00]

I found it to be kinda corny. And definitely creepy.

The word creepy is thrown around too easily these days.

And you know what I meant. It isn't everyday that you see humans bowing to an elf with great respect.

[Master Warder Z_]

The word creepy is thrown around too easily these days.

And you know what I meant. It isn't everyday that you see humans bowing to an elf with great respect.

Nor should it.

The only elf figure worthy of veneration is Shartan.

[Qun00]

Or the Hero of Ferelden.

[The Baconer]

Everyone should fight against Darkspawn.

 

The only elf figure worthy of veneration is Shartan.