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[LobselVith8]

Isn't Eve Myles (Merrill) Welsh?

I think that was also her natural accent, aye?
If so, then HOLY HECK I'M NOT EVEN A NATIVE SPEAKER.

Yes, that's Myles' accent; she sounds the same on Torchwood, too.

[Nelyafinwe]

All the bad **** seems to happen or is caused by the elves in DA. It's like they have all the Silmarils and the Arkenstone all at the same time.

[Fredward]

I'm all for elves... just not the Dalish. Not in their current incarnation anyway. Or their previous one. My favourite ending in WEAWH is having the elves steal Orlais. So snekky dem knife ears.

[Elfyoth]

All the bad **** seems to happen or is caused by the elves in DA. It's like they have all the Silmarils and the Arkenstone all at the same time.

Are you sure not by Humans? Tell me one bad thing that happened by Elves in DAO and in DAO:A and in DAO: Witch Hunt, and ALL OF THE DLCS.

[Serza]

I'm all for Elven Glory.  Sign me up.

 

ELVEN GLOOOOORY!

 

Yes, that's Myles' accent; she sounds the same on Torchwood, too.

 

Yeah. It was strange to hear a voice I associated with Merrill when it wasn't even in the same universe.

Then again, I found hearing Corrine Kempa outside of DA strange, for the same reason.

I simply can't imagine Leliana selling perfumes...

 

I'm all for elves... just not the Dalish. Not in their current incarnation anyway. Or their previous one. My favourite ending in WEAWH is having the elves steal Orlais. So snekky dem knife ears.

 

Hehe.

 

"You call me a Rabbit or Knife Ears ONE MORE TIME, and Orlais will be ruled by US!"

[Eliastion]

Are you sure not by Humans? Tell me one bad thing that happened by Elves in DAO and in DAO:A and in DAO: Witch Hunt, and ALL OF THE DLCS.

In my first playthrough one dumb@ss elf made Harrowmont the new king of Orzammar. That's a bad thing and any humans present had little say in this

 

Seriously though, if you want bad things happening because of elves, there is at the very least that one tiiiiny werewolf curse elves are responsible for. You need to be more careful with statements like "tell me one X" One X tends to be perfectly findable

Next time you want to issue bold challanges, try at least three

[Serza]

In my first playthrough one dumb@ss elf made Harrowmont the new king of Orzammar. That's a bad thing and any humans present had little say in this

 

Seriously though, if you want bad things happening because of elves, there is at the very least that one tiiiiny werewolf curse elves are responsible for. You need to be more careful with statements like "tell me one X" One X tends to be perfectly findable

Next time you want to issue bold challanges, try at least three

 

Elves... or Zathrian?

 

Subtle difference.

[Elfyoth]

In my first playthrough one dumb@ss elf made Harrowmont the new king of Orzammar. That's a bad thing and any humans present had little say in this

 

Seriously though, if you want bad things happening because of elves, there is at the very least that one tiiiiny werewolf curse elves are responsible for. You need to be more careful with statements like "tell me one X" One X tends to be perfectly findable

Next time you want to issue bold challanges, try at least three

Forgot about ******* Zathrian

 

 

@Serza you are correct. 

 

And that that ONE ELF, does a bad thing doest mean ALL OF THEM are assholes. 

[Eliastion]

Elves... or Zathrian?

 

Subtle difference.

Zathrian is an elf raised by elves, using what I assume to be elven magic to bind a spirit of a kind that (andrastian) humans seem to not really believe could exist (a spirit of the forest, explicitly stated to NOT come from the other side of the Veil - apparently something like the soul of Brecilen itself?)...

Either way, we're talking here about grossly overgeneralized ridiculously-shared racial responsibility for things So yeah, Zathrian = elves But that's a fair game, any stupid, evil or irresponsible thing any human does goes to humanity's tab

 

Forgot about ******* Zathrian

 

 

@Serza you are correct. 

 

And that that ONE ELF, does a bad thing doest mean ALL OF THEM are assholes.

I wanted to commend you on your ability to see the evulz of your ways, but you apparently don't get what building unfair racial stereotypes is all about! Brother, I am disappoint!  

[Serza]

Actions of one man define the race.

 

That's god'amn bullshite, mate.

[Nelyafinwe]

The humans wanted the Elven Silmarils and the Arkenstone for themselves; (also did not mean to add because of the elves unless of course, they are all Fëanor)

[Elfyoth]

 

Zathrian is an elf raised by elves, using what I assume to be elven magic to bind a spirit of a kind that (andrastian) humans seem to not really believe could exist (a spirit of the forest, explicitly stated to NOT come from the other side of the Veil - apparently something like the soul of Brecilen itself?)...

Either way, we're talking here about grossly overgeneralized ridiculously-shared racial responsibility for things So yeah, Zathrian = elves But that's a fair game, any stupid, evil or irresponsible thing any human does goes to humanity's tab

 

 

I wanted to commend you on your ability to see the evulz of your ways, but you apparently don't get what building unfair racial stereotypes is all about! Brother, I am disappoint!

 

 

 

You do know that if one black person robs a shop and he was raised by black pepole black community and family dosent mean all of the black pepole are robbing shops  If I as an israeli will go and murder a woman, will you blame the country? Or my parents for bad education? Or me? I would blame the parents and the person who did a crime, such as Zathrian. But as we all know, not all Dalish clans are the same, so if Zathrian done a wrong thing, and lets say the Clan educated him, does that make Clan Lavellan- a clan that is far north that proboly barely know the Clan of Zathrian is to blame? 

 

 

Edit: If Bull likes Red heads, does it mean all Qunari love red heads? If Merill is a blood mage, does it mean every keeper uses Blood magic? If Zevran love antivan leather smell, does it mean all Elves love it? Hell even if you presade the werewolves to massacre Zathrian's clan, Clan Sabre crtizise this clan in DA2. 

[Rekkampum]

A skeptical City Elf Rogue Warden here to bestow my blessing on this thread.
 

And BOO YAH to elvhen gods being real!

[Eliastion]

You do know that if one black person robs a shop and he was raised by black pepole black community and family dosent mean all of the black pepole are robbing shops  If I as an israeli will go and murder a woman, will you blame the country?

Of course I will (and of course all black people do that). And when a white american kid goes on a rampage with a gun stolen from his dad, that means that white american kids are school shooters and white american dads have guns and can't even secure them properly.
 

But as we all know, not all Dalish clans are the same, so if Zathrian done a wrong thing, and lets say the Clan educated him, does that make Clan Lavellan - a clan that is far north that proboly barely know the Clan of Zathrian is to blame?

Of course, they're elves after all. Obviously they're responsible for the elven curse. And for those thieves in Denerim, when we're at it, elves are thieves.
 

Edit: If Bull likes Red heads, does it mean all Qunari love red heads?

Hey, wait a moment, EVERYONE loves redheads, Qunari or not

But generally, you're on a good track. You just need to get rid of those pesky question marks, you need to state it all proudly, not ask questions! Seriously, you're this close to embracing the Way of the Prejudiced Generalization, but then your common sense kicks in and you mess up everything! It's almost as if you didn't want to blame the whole groups for everything some member of said groups could've ever done. Just let it go! I know you can be a proper prejudiced as*hole, everyone can! You just need to get rid of that pesky common sense that gets in your way and tries to convince you that groups may actually consist of smaller sub-groups and even (<insert favorite deity> forbid) individuals... Don't give in to this nonsense! We know that every group (especially one we're not part of) is a hive-minded monolith! That's the fundamental truth of the universe! Of every universe, really! Since every universe is the same too!

[Rekkampum]

Of course I will (and of course all black people do that). And when a white american kid goes on a rampage with a gun stolen from his dad, that means that white american kids are school shooters and white american dads have guns and can't even secure them properly.
 
Of course, they're elves after all. Obviously they're responsible for the elven curse. And for those thieves in Denerim, when we're at it, elves are thieves.
 
Hey, wait a moment, EVERYONE loves redheads, Qunari or not

But generally, you're on a good track. You just need to get rid of those pesky question marks, you need to state it all proudly, not ask questions! Seriously, you're this close to embracing the Way of the Prejudiced Generalization, but then your common sense kicks in and you mess up everything! It's almost as if you didn't want to blame the whole groups for everything some member of said groups could've ever done. Just let it go! I know you can be a proper prejudiced as*hole, everyone can! You just need to get rid of that pesky common sense that gets in your way and tries to convince you that groups may actually consist of smaller sub-groups and even (<insert favorite deity> forbid) individuals... Don't give in to this nonsense! We know that every group (especially one we're not part of) is a hive-minded monolith! That's the fundamental truth of the universe! Of every universe, really! Since every universe is the same too!

 

There are so many people who won't catch what you're doing here. Just note that I do, and I salute you. I hope.

[dragonflight288]

If Zathrian represents all elves, then Vaughn represents all humans. 

 

Think about it. Vaughn was a human raised by humans therefore he is an indicator or what humans are like. 

[TK514]

If Zathrian represents all elves, then Vaughn represents all humans. 

 

Think about it. Vaughn was a human raised by humans therefore he is an indicator or what humans are like. 

 

On the flip side, what percentage of Elven Keepers we've met have completely disregarded the supposed Elven taboo against spirit magic?  Zathrian, Merrill, Merethari, the Keeper in TME.  Unless I'm mistaken, that's a pretty strong majority of Keepers we've been exposed to.  Perhaps this is a flaw in BioWare's storytelling or world building, but we haven't really had the idea that these are exceptions to the rule baselined for us through experience.  There might be vague mentions hidden in codex entries of offhand comments, but what we are shown time and time again are Elven Keepers screwing over everyone they care about via blood/spirit magic.

 

By contrast, human super-asses are generally shown to be the villian or at least a smaller percentage of every human we meet.  There are fewer Vaughns or Alriks per capita, if you will. 

 

When the majority of examples you interact with tend to act the same way, it is not unreasonable to assume that is the norm rather than the exception.  Just as one would assume it is the norm for humans to treat elves as inferior, it is not unreasonable to assume that elven keepers don't tend to practice what they preach.

[EmissaryofLies]

You're the type of motherf*cker that goes to investigate *strange noises* alone in horror movies aren't you op?

[MoonDrummer]

Why don't elves wear shoes? I thought it was just just a dalish thing but some of the city elves do it too, and they are gonna be trudging through all kinds of **** in the alienages.

[Abyss108]

Yay Elves!  Yay Dalish! 

[TK514]

Why don't elves wear shoes? I thought it was just just a dalish thing but some of the city elves do it too, and they are gonna be trudging through all kinds of **** in the alienages.

 

Dalish don't need them, and City Elves can't afford them?

[dragonflight288]

On the flip side, what percentage of Elven Keepers we've met have completely disregarded the supposed Elven taboo against spirit magic?  Zathrian, Merrill, Merethari, the Keeper in TME.  Unless I'm mistaken, that's a pretty strong majority of Keepers we've been exposed to.  Perhaps this is a flaw in BioWare's storytelling or world building, but we haven't really had the idea that these are exceptions to the rule baselined for us through experience.  There might be vague mentions hidden in codex entries of offhand comments, but what we are shown time and time again are Elven Keepers screwing over everyone they care about via blood/spirit magic.

 

By contrast, human super-asses are generally shown to be the villian or at least a smaller percentage of every human we meet.  There are fewer Vaughns or Alriks per capita, if you will. 

 

When the majority of examples you interact with tend to act the same way, it is not unreasonable to assume that is the norm rather than the exception.  Just as one would assume it is the norm for humans to treat elves as inferior, it is not unreasonable to assume that elven keepers don't tend to practice what they preach.

 

Merrill was never a Keeper and she left her clan so she doesn't count. 

 

EDIT: Also, Merethari to our knowledge never practiced spirit magic. She merely allowed herself t get possessed by a spirit already sundered from the Fade because she was so insistent she knew more about eluvians (without doing any research at all) than Merrill. 

 

And out of every mage we meet, Merrill is the only one who willingly brings back up to kill her should the worst happen, so that makes her smarter than the vast majority of mages that we meet. 

 

And my dalish Inquisitor ended up becoming a Necromancer, so he practiced spirit magic and wasn't "mwahahaha, evil villain for the sake of it."

 

Unless we want to count Cassandra's uncle on the same caliber as Zathrian because he's a mortalitasi. 

 

[TK514]

Merrill was never a Keeper and she left her clan so she doesn't count. 

 

EDIT: Also, Merethari to our knowledge never practiced spirit magic. She merely allowed herself t get possessed by a spirit already sundered from the Fade because she was so insistent she knew more about eluvians (without doing any research at all) than Merrill. 

 

And out of every mage we meet, Merrill is the only one who willingly brings back up to kill her should the worst happen, so that makes her smarter than the vast majority of mages that we meet. 

 

My point remains.

[dragonflight288]

My point remains.

 

True, so but we also know from the lore that there are many dalish who don't follow what we have been exposed to for the sake of story telling and the plot. 

 

Well, there's that one Keeper in Inquisition who never did anything wrong. 

 

We need to meet more like him.