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[Steelcan]

I think the most fundamental issue for Briala is that Gaspard is old and could die soon, leaving her pretty much nowhere. Celene could be expected to last longer, but she could still die easily enough.

I'd say she needs to focus on building up a power base in the Dales that might survive her losing control over the throne.

its unlikely the Dales would be receptive to her, their elven population has been gutted by the Halamshiral uprising, and they aren't numerous enough to be a force that she can rely on against the entire rest of Orlais

[ComedicSociopathy]

You know at first Celene/Briala was my go to choice for rulers of Orlais since I thought they'd make a Orlais experience a cultural golden age along with being progressive with elven rights. But no I was wrong. The pair just created a resurgent Orlais in terms of art and culture, which is nice but doesn't address the alienage problem. Briala with Gaspard on the other hand is far to limited and doesn't help the empire as a whole in terms of military or culture. So, I've decided to not give a single f-u-c-k about the decision at all and just let random dice roller decided who gets to rule. Their all arseholes anyway and followers of the Game (aka socially accepted, self-destructive and sociopathic power plays) and would prefer to mock the whole affair by letting random chance decide who wins. 

[Bad King]

I also don't see what is stopping Gaspard from just simply having her done in

 

Briala isn't the only one that knows about his dodgy dealings. He probably feels deterred by the threat of the Inquisition who also know his secrets and who have significant power and influence over the Orlesian court, and, if push comes to shove, control of the eluvian network.

[Steelcan]

Briala isn't the only one that knows about his dodgy dealings. He probably feels deterred by the threat of the Inquisition who also know his secrets and who have significant power and influence over the Orlesian court, and, if push comes to shove, control of the eluvian network.

what the Inquisition going to do if Briala gets killed?

 

Declare war on Orlais?  Yeah that'll go well

[Addai]

I'm hoping Gaspard will end up being the Bhelen of Orlais. The ruthless bastard who actually moves Orlais forward a bit. But, basically I think ComedicSociopathy is right. They're all bad choices.

[Bad King]

what the Inquisition going to do if Briala gets killed?

 

Declare war on Orlais?  Yeah that'll go well

 

Nope, use their secrets and influence to turn the Orlesian nobility against Gaspard. If he's scared enough about those secrets being released that he's willing to bow down to Briala then it's clear that they'd have a damning effect on his standing with the Council of Heralds and numerous nobles.

[Steelcan]

I'm hoping Gaspard will end up being the Bhelen of Orlais. The ruthless bastard who actually moves Orlais forward a bit. But, basically I think ComedicSociopathy is right. They're all bad choices.

I like that thus far it hasn't been a Behlen/Harrowmont situation

 

that one was rather black and white, and the epilogue all but spelled out "Harrowmont was a bad idea".  On one hand I am amenable to their being 'wrong' choices in the game, but on the other hand I don't want a repeat of what we've already had.

[Wulfram]

its unlikely the Dales would be receptive to her, their elven population has been gutted by the Halamshiral uprising, and they aren't numerous enough to be a force that she can rely on against the entire rest of Orlais

I doubt a few thousand elves will have depopulated the whole region, and as Marquise she can encourage elves to move there. As well as ensuring that the Chevalier's have to fight armed and trained soldiers next time they show up.

She is unlikely to be able to get into a position where she can fight a united Orlais, true, but given time she can put herself in a reasonably strong position to make alliances and bargains, rather than someone who can be simply swept aside as soon as the Emperor/Empress dies or turns against her.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I'm hoping Gaspard will end up being the Bhelen of Orlais. The ruthless bastard who actually moves Orlais forward a bit. But, basically I think ComedicSociopathy is right. They're all bad choices.

 

Why can't we have Josephine be empress!? She's Orlesian... distantly anyways. 

[Steelcan]

Nope, use their secrets and influence to turn the Orlesian nobility against Gaspard. If he's scared enough about those secrets being released that he's willing to bow down to Briala then it's clear that they'd have a damning effect on his standing with the Council of Heralds and numerous nobles.

yes, because Gaspard has a long history of giving a sh*t what the court thinks about him.

 

"They'll fall in line after a few lose their heads""

[Steelcan]

I doubt a few thousand elves will have depopulated the whole region, and as Marquise she can encourage elves to move there. As well as ensuring that the Chevalier's have to fight armed and trained soldiers next time they show up.

She is unlikely to be able to get into a position where she can fight a united Orlais, true, but she can put herself in a position to make alliances and bargains.

the Elves are only a majority in Halamshiral iirc, they aren't exactly omnipresent in the Dales, its a decidedly human area now, she'd have to be moving a lot of people there to get a new elven majority and I don't see that working very well in the long run.

[Bad King]

yes, because Gaspard has a long history of giving a sh*t what the court thinks about him.

 

"They'll fall in line after a few lose their heads""

 

Well clearly he does considering he capitulates to Briala's demands when she's blackmailing him.

[Red of Rivia]

Power corrupts everyone, no doubt Briala become a nuisance for it. Even the Archon of Tevinter has been assassinated for trying to abolish slavery, Briala can have the same destiny.

[Addai]

Why can't we have Josephine be empress!? She's Orlesian... distantly anyways. 

She's too nice.

[ComedicSociopathy]

yes, because Gaspard has a long history of giving a sh*t what the court thinks about him.

 

"They'll fall in line after a few lose their heads""

 

The Inquisitor and Gaspard could be autocrat buddies! 

 

[Steelcan]

Well clearly he does considering he capitulates to Briala's demands when she's blackmailing him.

I can make the argument I find it OOC, or I can say that it might not last forever, there is very little stopping Gaspard from having her executed, and I doubt the nobles would raise a fuss over it

[Heimdall]

yes, because Gaspard has a long history of giving a sh*t what the court thinks about him.

"They'll fall in line after a few lose their heads""

And that's why I don't think his rule will be a long one.

[Red of Rivia]

Then, they die and everything back to how it was before.

[ComedicSociopathy]

She's too nice.

 

Yeah, Josephine has a problem that she actually has a conscience and empathy. Alien traits in the Imperial Court. 

[Bad King]

I can make the argument I find it OOC, or I can say that it might not last forever, there is very little stopping Gaspard from having her executed, and I doubt the nobles would raise a fuss over it

 

Perhaps it's OOC, but that's a redundant point as that's the way he was written and there's nothing to be done about it. On your second point regarding the discontent amongst the nobility, they are also discontented with Gaspard who they perceive as weak for giving in to so many of Briala's demands - if a rebellion starts Gaspard will likely be forced to remain on Briala's side as the nobility support a candidate they view as stronger. Even if he did execute Briala, he'd also then need to deal with the Inquisition before the Inquisitor spills the beans to the nobility.

[Steelcan]

Perhaps it's OOC, but that's a redundant point as that's the way he was written and there's nothing to be done about it. On your second point regarding the discontent amongst the nobility, they are also discontented with Gaspard who they perceive as weak for giving in to so many of Briala's demands - if a rebellion starts Gaspard will likely be forced to remain on Briala's side as the nobility support a candidate they view as stronger. Even if he did execute Briala, he'd also then need to deal with the Inquisition before the Inquisitor spills the beans to the nobility.

I doubt the Inquisitor's dirt will last forever, eventually the nobles will stop caring that he sneaked in troops to a long concluded Ball

[Wulfram]

the Elves are only a majority in Halamshiral iirc, they aren't exactly omnipresent in the Dales, its a decidedly human area now, she'd have to be moving a lot of people there to get a new elven majority and I don't see that working very well in the long run.

The Masked Empire at one point says

"He'd heard that in Fereldan, and maybe in other parts of Orlais, the elves were kept locked in small sections of the cities called Alienages. Here in the Dales, however, there were more elves than humans, and it was the humans that locked themselves up in the High Quarter".

Maybe you could say that's just referring to the urban population, but that's not how I'd read it.

Though it's true that not many elves show up in the parts of the Dales we visit.

[Colonelkillabee]

Why can't we have Josephine be empress!? She's Orlesian... distantly anyways. 

She's intimidated by a bunch of punk ass nobles in outfits they probably trip on regularly while hiding behind masks all while they play their silly "Game". And not even this one:

 

Spoiler

 

Rofl. Josephine really shouldn't be leading anything.

[ComedicSociopathy]

She's intimidated by a bunch of punk ass nobles in outfits they probably trip on regularly while hiding behind masks all while they play their silly "Game". And not even this one:

 

Spoiler

 

Rofl. Josephine really shouldn't be leading anything.

 

Nothing to worry about since in this hypothetical scenario the Inquisitor would be her husband/wife/imperial adviser. And as we know the Inquisitor doesn't take any lip from some trumped up, chesse eating, mask wearing, weirdos in silly, impractical  outfits. 

 

Besides, Josephine is probably the most effective (and not crazy) adviser we have. With the Inquisitor's help she'd rule well, or at least better then the other three candidates. 

[Bad King]

I doubt the Inquisitor's dirt will last forever, eventually the nobles will stop caring that he sneaked in troops to a long concluded Ball

 

Considering said Ball ended with the assassination of their long-reigning Empress by an agent of a darkspawn Magister (who was no less than Gaspard's own sister), anything associating Gaspard in any way with that assassination is guaranteed to cause discontent amongst the nobility for a long time. But even if we do assume that it wont last for ever, neither will Gaspard's reputation as he capitulates to Briala: he can only bide his time for a limited period without being viewed as a weak puppet of Briala/the Inquisition by the nobility. He can try and wriggle out of Briala's grasp now and risk a rebellion when Briala or the Inquisition spill the beans or he can bide his time and risk a rebellion against him as his reputation deteriorates. He's not in a good place right now (for those who picked Briala/Gaspard).